US President 2016 - the Great Horse Race

[ZiprHead]

Clinton will be holding a rally with Elizabeth Warren shortly. A taste of things to come?

Being covered right now by MSNBC.

 

[Sea of red]

After every election they lose, the GOP regroups, and blames the failed election on not being conservative enough. If only they could get it through their thick heads that it's actually they are too conservative, they might have some hope of winning again. The reality is that the days of Reagan and Bush style victories are long gone - they're not coming back either. You simply can't win an election with the evangelicals and fearful baby boomers anymore. You have to get votes from millennials and minorities; the former of which simply don't value the same things boomers do... which no doubt makes them commies.

 

[Treedbear]

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Ya, the one good thing about the Trump candidacy is that it may burn the GOP to the ground and they'll use the opportunity to retool in a non-crazy manner and become a party which is an actual alternative option, so there are two potential choices whom one can vote for.

I mean, probably not, and there's a 99% chance that they'll learn absolutely nothing or only learn something completely wrong and remain as dumb as they are today, but it's still a chance.

Republican Brent Scowcroft backs Clinton:

Brent Scowcroft, who served as National Security Adviser to Presidents George H. W. Bush and Gerald Ford, and who worked in the White House of Presidents Richard Nixon and George W. Bush, said Clinton "brings truly unique experience and perspective to the White House.

Bush Treasury Secretary Paulson endorses Clinton:

Hank Paulson, the Republican Treasury secretary during the 2008 financial crisis, has endorsed Hillary Clinton, adding his name to prominent GOP heavyweights who are backing the presumptive Democratic nominee.
Paulson's support comes amid mounting concerns about Donald Trump's candidacy. Paulson, a controversial figure given President George W. Bush's handling of the downturn, said "a Trump presidency is unthinkable" and predicted that other conservatives would rally behind her.

"I'll be voting for Hillary Clinton, with the hope that she can bring Americans together to do the things necessary to strengthen our economy, our environment and our place in the world," Paulson wrote in The Washington Post. "To my Republican friends: I know I'm not alone."

And now the uber-conservative George Will:

George Will, the conservative commentator and columnist, said Sunday that he changed his voter registration to "unaffiliated" 23 days ago and has left the Republican Party because of Donald Trump.
"After Trump went after the 'Mexican' judge from northern Indiana then (House Speaker) Paul Ryan endorsed him, I decided that in fact this was not my party anymore," Will said on "Fox News Sunday."

While HRC is basking in the glow of the Republican fireworks she should still consider what it means to be endorsed by that party's conservative elite. Especially Paulson, who represents the heart and soul of Wall Street. The electorate is no in the mood for "naive, unrealistic optimism" (aka, kumbaya).

 

[Terrell]

I don't think HRC should pick Elizabeth Warren, because she's a Senator. I don't think we should rely on a Democrat winning a special election. Martha Coakley didn't do it and we got Scott Brown; this was in Massachusetts, one of the bluest of the blue states. HRC should, IMO, find the best person who isn't a Senator to fill this job. The best way to get a good SCOTUS appointment to replace Scalia, is for the Democrats to get both the White House & the Senate.

If the Dems keep the Presidency and regain control of the Senate, Schumer should do whatever he needs to in order to force the nomination through. In this scenario I'd hope that President Obama withdraws Merrick Garland, should he not have been confirmed, Breyer & Ginsberg retire immediately, and HRC appoint moderately liberal justices no older than 55 to replace them, preferably younger.

 

[Ford]

After every election they lose, the GOP regroups, and blames the failed election on not being conservative enough. If only they could get it through their thick heads that it's actually they are too conservative, they might have some hope of winning again.

There's another level of delusion at work here. They're tacking to the right because they believe the Democrats are increasingly leaning left, but the opposite has been happening for decades. The last liberal Democrat to win the White House was Carter. Bill Clinton was centrist, Obama was center-left, and Hillary Clinton is in that orbit as well. Sanders represented the traditional liberal wing of the party, but even he couldn't pull the whole operation away from the center. So long as Democrats occupy the middle, Republicans will have a tough time winning the Presidency.

 

[Harry Bosch]

I don't think HRC should pick Elizabeth Warren, because she's a Senator. I don't think we should rely on a Democrat winning a special election. Martha Coakley didn't do it and we got Scott Brown; this was in Massachusetts, one of the bluest of the blue states. HRC should, IMO, find the best person who isn't a Senator to fill this job. The best way to get a good SCOTUS appointment to replace Scalia, is for the Democrats to get both the White House & the Senate.

If the Dems keep the Presidency and regain control of the Senate, Schumer should do whatever he needs to in order to force the nomination through. In this scenario I'd hope that President Obama withdraws Merrick Garland, should he not have been confirmed, Breyer & Ginsberg retire immediately, and HRC appoint moderately liberal justices no older than 55 to replace them, preferably younger.

Agreed. I haven't been much of a Warren fan, although she is really turning into a fighter. I like her recent style. She has gone up recently. She's taking the steam from Bernie. Bernie is fading faster than a cheap suede suit. But, as you say, this would throw the senate to the republicans. I currently favor Tim Kaine. He's a moderate. He can deliver a swing state.

 

[repoman]

 

[lpetrich]

As if the Republicans are any better, repoman.

The Republicans have long included the Religious Right, a movement that's full of homophobes -- and homophobes who don't try to hide their homophobia. By comparison, the Democrats are usually *much* better.

 

[James Brown]

Quoted from another board (I'm not this politically savvy):

Hillary is already strong with women voters, she needs help convincing men. Warren does nothing there.

Hillary is already viewed skeptically by moderates because she is so liberal, so the way to appeal to them is to put someone *even more liberal* on the ticket?

Both of them are the same age, so it does nothing demographically.

Both are white, so it doesn't do anything for Hispanics, minorities, or blacks.

Massachusetts is already one of the most reliably blue states, so it doesn't put any electoral votes on the board. Worse, if Warren resigns her Senate seat, her replacement is appointed by the Republican governor of Massachusetts. Imagine Hllary winning, bringing along a few Senate seats, only to have a 50/50 split turned into a 49/51 count because Warren had to give up her seat.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

The one plus for Warren is that she'd get Sanders supporters excited. If it looks like Trump is continuing to flame out after the GOP convention and the House is within reach (which would mean that the Senate's already a lock - and apparently there's some sketchy shit that the MA legislature can do to prevent the Governor from appointing a Republican), then getting them fired up and out to the polls might be worth it. Also, Warren has a talent for getting under Trump's skin, so she can continue to have him ranting like a madman while Clinton stays looking all Presidential.

The latest polls have Clinton winning the electoral college by a margin of about 360-180 and that's not taking her far superior ground organization into account. It's not like she needs a swing state governor to give her the edge or anything. The one thing she needs is a fired up base to be able to pick up more seats down ticket and she doesn't exactly inspire the left wing of the party herself. Warren gets her Sanders' people without the need to concede a whole lot to Sanders, since Sanders was the second choice for most of them.

With the Dem convention coming second this year, Clinton has the opportunity to wait and see if Trump's just a ranting dud and all the coverage is about how there's a big movement by the delegates to try and dump him and every prominent Republican is going out of their way to either not be there or not get caught in a wide-angle shot with the man. If that's the case then she'll have no worries about the Presidential race and can choose a VP based on how it will help her party take the House. Warren's the best choice in that situation.

 

[ZiprHead]

Elizabeth Warren and Hillary Clinton's speeches from yesterday together on one stage. Warren made Hillary look like a piker.
[YOUTUBE]https://youtu.be/G54qy1Vu4hI[/YOUTUBE]

 

[Ford]

Elizabeth Warren and Hillary Clinton's speeches from yesterday together on one stage. Warren made Hillary look like a piker.

She's a terrific surrogate for the Clinton campaign. Warren has her message down pat, it is compelling, and she comes across as much more warm and compassionate than Hillary. I'm sure the progressive wing of the party would be more than happy to have Warren on the ticket.

I would be surprised if that happened, though. Clinton is far too calculating, and Warren doesn't check off the boxes that the Clinton camp will be looking at.

 

[Treedbear]

Elizabeth Warren and Hillary Clinton's speeches from yesterday together on one stage. Warren made Hillary look like a piker. ...

She really got the crowd energized. Trump might need to ask Ann Coulter to be his VP.

 

[ZiprHead]

Elizabeth Warren and Hillary Clinton's speeches from yesterday together on one stage. Warren made Hillary look like a piker. ...

She really got the crowd energized. Trump might need to ask Ann Coulter to be his VP.

Oh, please, please, please...

BTW, welcome to the forum!

 

[Colonel Sanders]

Elizabeth Warren and Hillary Clinton's speeches from yesterday together on one stage. Warren made Hillary look like a piker. ...

She really got the crowd energized. Trump might need to ask Ann Coulter to be his VP.

Oh man. That idea is like having a filthy, hot slut offer to take you out to get piss drunk before taking you back to her place where she has a pound of cocaine and a five pound bottle of viagra. You know you shouldn't do it. You have the most important job interview of your life at 7 in the morning tomorrow and you've got to be at your best. Then... FUCK IT!!!!

4 days later you come-to in a seedy apartment off an alleyway in Hong Kong, naked, chained face down on a bare mattress while a visiting team of Sumo wrestlers takes turns boring you out like the Hong Kong Chunnel.

Somewhere in that story is an analogy about a Trump-Coulter administration.

 

[angelo]

Remember, the way to tell if a politician is lying is to watch his/hers lips. If they part, he/she is lying.

 

[Rhea]

Remember, the way to tell if a politician is lying is to watch his/hers lips. If they part, he/she is lying.

This kind of statement, that all and every politician is automatically evil as soon as they run for office, is a story the right has been feeding you for 40 years to try to break government so that corporations and oligarchs can rule.

It's a lie.

It's a lie with an objective.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Remember, the way to tell if a politician is lying is to watch his/hers lips. If they part, he/she is lying.

Hawking for President!!

 

[Tom Sawyer]

So, how relevant is Sanders looking these days? It seems that he may have overplayed his hand and missed his opportunity to be able to force a deal on the issues which matter to him.

According to the latest polls I've seen, only 8% of Sanders voters said that they'd consider voting for Trump, compared to 20% of Clinton voters who said they'd vote for McCain at this same time in 2008. With the prominent position that Warren is taking in the Clinton campaign, there's a path to get the left wing inspired absent Sanders' help, so he seems a lot less relevant than he did a couple of weeks ago.

Thoughts?

 

[Treedbear]

She really got the crowd energized. Trump might need to ask Ann Coulter to be his VP.

Oh, please, please, please...

BTW, welcome to the forum!

Thanks. And I do think the Donald will have to do something wacky to distract attention from his deadpan teleprompter performances. It's undignified of him [sic] to be seen bickering with anyone but another candidate for President. Somebody is finally standing up to him and its a skinny little school teacher. And she's also really good when it comes to teleprompters. Clinton really needs her, not just for the campaign but as VP in case she has to deal with a hostile Congress.