Violent protests at Georgia Tech

[Derec]

As I mentioned in the St. Louis thread, there have been violent protests breaking out at my alma mater, Georgia Tech.
Three arrested in violent Georgia Tech protests after police shoot student

This shit is never justified. Luckily, it seems to be mostly outside agitators (like Vincent Castillenti, who is a 2009 USF graduate)
The dead guy was quite disturbed and it was almost certainly suicide by cop.
Call about suspicious man was made by Georgia Tech student killed by police, investigators say

The call that led Georgia Tech campus police to respond to a man reportedly wielding a knife was made by the student who was later shot and killed by officers, police investigators said Monday night. That student, Scout Schultz, left three suicide notes behind in a dormitory room, according to the Georgia Bureau of Investigation. [..] In the call to police Saturday night, Schultz described a suspicious person “as a white male, with long blond hair, white T-shirt & blue jeans who is possibly intoxicated, holding a knife and possibly armed with a gun on his hip,” according to a statement from the Georgia Bureau of Investigation.

Interesting. Scout made a lot of being "non-binary" and refusing to identify by gender, even eschewing normal pronouns. But when he described himself to the police, he made a point to specify that he was male.

The parents of Schultz said their child, who identified as neither male nor female, had suffered from anxiety and depression, and had spent time in counseling after attempting suicide by hanging two years ago.

Maybe a stressful engineering program at Tech wasn't the best course of action for Scott/Scout at this time.

Bill Schultz said recently that Scout had expressed interest in the anti-fascist political movement and frustration with news coverage of police-involved shootings.“I will say this, that recently Scout has been slightly involved with the anti-fascist community and had expressed a number of anti-fascist ideas to me,” he said.

Ah yes, the Antifas. I guess that explains the violence that broke out.

“I tend to think that if there was a cause it might have been anger at the police over all the shootings and all the long litany of police shootings.”

So he is angry at police for shooting people and is response is to make police shoot him?

On a lighter note, lmao!

 

[Bronzeage]

Sucks when people hit back.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

On a lighter note, lmao!

Weren't you complaining about getting dates?

 

[laughing dog]

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Wow, what an awful example of a human being.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I don't even know where to begin with Derec's triggered op, but I will say this. This person clearly wanted to at least risk death. It's true.

Why? That would be difficult to figure out. Maybe and I am reaching here...maybe they thought so little of their life that they could make a point from their own unnecessary death. For example, why don't police at the campus headquarters carry non-lethal weapons to be used against weak people with unopened pocket knives?

So, again, I don't know if there was an actual point to this person's suicide by cop or risk of suicide by cop, but if there were, then why was it necessary?

 

[dismal]

I don't even know where to begin with Derec's triggered op, but I will say this. This person clearly wanted to at least risk death. It's true.

Why? That would be difficult to figure out. Maybe and I am reaching here...maybe they thought so little of their life that they could make a point from their own unnecessary death. For example, why don't police at the campus headquarters carry non-lethal weapons to be used against weak people with unopened pocket knives?

So, again, I don't know if there was an actual point to this person's suicide by cop or risk of suicide by cop, but if there were, then why was it necessary?

Why are we talking about whether it was "necessary" when it was a choice?

Are you one of those right wing types who don't believe in assisted suicide?

 

[Tom Sawyer]

I'm wondering why he left three suicide notes. Were the second two just addendums or did he give different reasons for it in order to fuck with people?

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Why are we talking about whether it was "necessary" when it was a choice?

Are you one of those right wing types who don't believe in assisted suicide?

Well, first, when one is in a particular mental state it may be about hormones or some other source of irrationality...maybe, but the implied argument was that this is about more than one civilian. So, why don't such cops generally carry non-lethal weapons? When all you have is a hammer, everything is a nail...

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

The attorney for Schultz’s family said that the campus police overreacted and asked why the situation couldn’t have been handled by nonlethal measures. A statement on the Georgia Bureau of Investigation’s website announced that the agency was investigating the shooting at the request of the campus police department. “Officers provided multiple verbal commands and attempted to speak with Shultz [sic] who was not cooperative and would not comply with the officers’ commands,” the agency said in the statement. “Shultz continued to advance on the officers with the knife.”

WSB-TV reported that the knife looked like a “metal, flip-open multitool knife that would likely include a small blade.”

The attorney for the family told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution that the student never rushed the officers and that the blade of the knife was not extended. “Why didn’t they use some nonlethal force, like pepper spray or Tasers?” Schultz’s mother said to the newspaper. A Georgia Tech spokesperson told the paper that the campus police do not carry Tasers.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...nt_wielding_pocket_knife_shot_and_killed.html

I am wondering why the campus police do not carry non-lethal weapons. If they are in a situation that requires a weapon then there are two cases:
1. it requires a lethal weapon, then good for them.
2. it requires a weapon, but not a lethal one. then uh-oh?

Why is such a gap okay with some people in this forum?

How will this gap get rectified?

 

[whichphilosophy]

Again groups like ANTIFA with its lynch mob decide on the verdict before any inquiry takes place.

 

[fromderinside]

The dead guy was quite disturbed and it was almost certainly suicide by cop.

Why is that a thing.

No cop worth his badge would ever kill one who wasn't actually lethal. Walking around with  Leatherman multi-tool doesn't qualify as being lethal, nor does slowly walking toward one who isn't without other recourse meet resort to deadly self defense measures.

So let's change the topic to outside agitators eh.

So it's going to be a trial about a poor cop threatened by outsiders rather than a stupid cop carelessly taking life.

 

[bilby]

Maybe a stressful engineering program at Tech wasn't the best course of action for Scott/Scout at this time.

Maybe. But a person would have to be a total cunt to publicly suggest such a thing about another person who was recently deceased, unless they were a close friend or a member of the immediate family.

 

[Derec]

Why is that a thing.

Some people just don't want to do it themselves and thus force a cop to do it.
In Scout/Scott's case, I think his hatred of police probably influenced his course of action as well.

No cop worth his badge would ever kill one who wasn't actually lethal. Walking around with  Leatherman multi-tool doesn't qualify as being lethal,

Why not? It does have a knife. Now, that might not be a knife by Crocodile Dundee's standards, but at least this model Leatherman has a knife is very much a lethal weapon.

nor does slowly walking toward one who isn't without other recourse meet resort to deadly self defense measures.

Once a knife wielder is within a certain distance, they can close the distance in a very short time.
Self-defense for civilians is different than for cops. A civilian has the option to retreat or to let the guy go away. Police do not have that luxury. They must deal with the threat directly.
And don't forget, he called the police on himself and stated that he might have a gun as well.

So let's change the topic to outside agitators eh.

There are two issues here. The shooting and the response by the Antifa and related left wing extremists. Even if the shooting was unjustified (I do not think it was), torching police cars and assaulting cops is still very much wrong.

So it's going to be a trial about a poor cop threatened by outsiders rather than a stupid cop carelessly taking life.

Different cases, different trials. The latter will probably not have a trial, except possibly a civil one (the family has already hired a lawyer). The idiots who attacked police will be tried for what they did and hopefully convicted and ordered to pay for all damages.

 

[Derec]

Maybe. But a person would have to be a total cunt to publicly suggest such a thing about another person who was recently deceased, unless they were a close friend or a member of the immediate family.

Why? I am not saying it to the kid's family. But other tragedies might be prevented if people with mental problems are not additionally exposed to stresses of demanding academic programs.

 

[Derec]

I am wondering why the campus police do not carry non-lethal weapons.

I do not know about Tech, but some departments have discontinued the use of tasers because of public pressure. It is damned if you do, damned if you don't because Tasers can be lethal if somebody has heart problems, is on drugs or just falls.

Why is such a gap okay with some people in this forum?

I don't know. But many people oppose tasers.
Renewed SFPD Push For Tasers Met With Strong Opposition

How will this gap get rectified?

For GT police, it just might be after this incident.

P.S.: Am I the only one who finds the idea of a computer engineer who identifies as "non-binary" highly ironic.

P.P.S.: This is from that Slate story:

They were protesting a bill that would make it more difficult to make frivolous sexual assault accusation on campuses. Link to another thread on here I guess.

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Well, first, when one is in a particular mental state it may be about hormones or some other source of irrationality...

Was he even on hormones? I don't think that was revealed.

maybe, but the implied argument was that this is about more than one civilian. So, why don't such cops generally carry non-lethal weapons? When all you have is a hammer, everything is a nail...

Most department have them. Some don't, usually because of public pressure. I do not know why GTPD doesn't have them, and that might very well change after this.

 

[Derec]

I don't even know where to begin with Derec's triggered op,

I don't even know where to start with you still not understanding what "triggered" means.
People who are triggered do not start discussions. They avoid them, lest they hear or read something that "triggers" them. The whole point of trigger warning for lectures or textbook chapters is that easily triggered students could stay home or not read the chapter if they involve one of their triggers.

Why? That would be difficult to figure out. Maybe and I am reaching here...maybe they thought

Oh, give it a rest!
Even Scout himself dropped the pretense when he called police on himself and described himself as a "white male".
To paraphrase AIDS Skrillex: he is fucking a white male!

so little of their life that they could make a point from their own unnecessary death.

Well he had just joined the antifa, so he probably wanted to damage GTPD by forcing them to kill him. (or "forcing them to kill them" in PC speak)

 

[Derec]

Wow, what an awful example of a human being.

Yes, because we all know that when violent extremists descend on your campus, the most important thing is to not be mean to them.
I mean, it's not like anybody on the Internet said anything bad about Charlottesville Nazis or anything.

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Weren't you complaining about getting dates?

I didn't write that.

 

[Derec]

Sucks when people hit back.

They were not hitting back, they were the aggressors.

These are the three who were arrested.

Several people facing charges following protests at Georgia Tech
The one in the middle, Andrew Monden (who also goes by "Cassandra") is apparently a Georgia Tech student. At least for now.
I think they need to, in addition to criminal penalties, also pay any damage their little protest caused. Including the torched police SUV.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Sucks when people hit back.

They were not hitting back, they were the aggressors.

These are the three who were arrested.

Several people facing charges following protests at Georgia Tech
The one in the middle, Andrew Monden (who also goes by "Cassandra") is apparently a Georgia Tech student. At least for now.
I think they need to, in addition to criminal penalties, also pay any damage their little protest caused. Including the torched police SUV.

The civilized way is due process for an inquiry then if necessary a trial. Rioters should compensate the state for damage to its property.

We need to see the results of due process and where necessary query them in a civilized manner. Organised mob hysteria should have no place in a just society.

 

[LordKiran]

They were not hitting back, they were the aggressors.

These are the three who were arrested.

Several people facing charges following protests at Georgia Tech
The one in the middle, Andrew Monden (who also goes by "Cassandra") is apparently a Georgia Tech student. At least for now.
I think they need to, in addition to criminal penalties, also pay any damage their little protest caused. Including the torched police SUV.

The civilized way is due process for an inquiry then if necessary a trial. Rioters should compensate the state for damage to its property.

We need to see the results of due process and where necessary query them in a civilized manner. Organised mob hysteria should have no place in a just society.

"Organized mob hysteria" is the result of people losing confidence in our political and legal institutions. People tend not to like when the police are empowered to kill whoever they want and not go to jail for it. The more people continue to lose confidence in the system, the worse it gets.