Harry Bosch
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Elizabeth Warren voted for Reagan during the AIDS crisis
Holy crap, you're right! It's another reason to like Elizabeth Warren! The ability to change and admit that you were wrong in the past is a very admirable trait.
Elizabeth Warren voted for Reagan during the AIDS crisis
When Elizabeth Warren was asked what she would say to a person who says they hold a cherished belief that marriage is something between one man and one woman, she replied that such a person would most likely be male, and so she would suggest they go ahead and "marry one woman, if he could find one"....
FYI, she did NOT "reply that such a person would most likely be male". She said "I am going to assume this person is male", simply so she could give a personalized the response that made sense in the context of the hypothetical posed to her, "Well, then you should marry one woman." ....
Either way, coming from a liberal, it's a pathetically lukewarm response. #appeasement
Fundy: "Real MarriageTM is between a (real) man and a (real) woman.
Warren : "That's nice"
Elizabeth Warren voted for Reagan during the AIDS crisis
And?
It isn't as though there was any widespread thought of gay marriage during the AIDS crisis when most people assumed that AIDS was a 'gay' disease, if indeed, they could even bring themselves to mention the word 'gay.'
So, what year did Saint Bernie decide to support gay marriage?
2009. Though he had been a passionate advocate against laws restricting marriage to straights since at least 1996.
2009. Though he had been a passionate advocate against laws restricting marriage to straights since at least 1996.
Is there any evidence Warren was ever opposed to gay rights? Her being a registered Republican decades ago based upon economic views she long ago changed has no relevance to her views on gay rights. What we do know is that her platform on gay rights is extremely detailed and comprehensive.
https://elizabethwarren.com/plans/lgbtq-equality/?source=soc-WB-ew-tw-rollout-20191010
2009. Though he had been a passionate advocate against laws restricting marriage to straights since at least 1996.
Is there any evidence Warren was ever opposed to gay rights? Her being a registered Republican decades ago based upon economic views she long ago changed has no relevance to her views on gay rights. What we do know is that her platform on gay rights is extremely detailed and comprehensive.
https://elizabethwarren.com/plans/lgbtq-equality/?source=soc-WB-ew-tw-rollout-20191010
Nearly everyone was against gay rights until the mid-90s or so. Or at least, too afraid to openly embrace them.
Nearly everyone was against gay rights until the mid-90s or so. Or at least, too afraid to openly embrace them.
I think they were mostly invisible to a lot of us.
I remember a high school teacher in the mid '70's asking a question about whether we believed that sex should be legal between any two consenting adults and my immediate response was: Of course. I think he found it surprising because I was mostly capitalist in those days and certainly not communist then or now. At the time, the notion of 'free love' and down with racism and down with sexism was associated with communism. I was opposed to racism, sexism, discrimination of any kind that I imagined (and my imagination was limited by my youth and lack of experience and exposure).
Note: I was only vaguely aware of homosexuality at the time but that relative ignorance did not color my view and as I became more aware of homosexuality and other sexual orientations, it only solidified my response. This did not include marriage because to be very honest, I had never heard marriage between same sex partners suggested and lacked the imagination to think about it myself. The political times were much more about bringing down the patriarchal norms of marriage = man owning/having rights over woman. Expanding marriage rights was not on a lot of minds of people like myself who frankly could not picture themselves ever choosing marriage and so not even considering that there were same sex couples who absolutely wanted that right. It was, to be honest: a blind spot, or several.
Nearly everyone was against gay rights until the mid-90s or so. Or at least, too afraid to openly embrace them.
I think they were mostly invisible to a lot of us.
I remember a high school teacher in the mid '70's asking a question about whether we believed that sex should be legal between any two consenting adults and my immediate response was: Of course. I think he found it surprising because I was mostly capitalist in those days and certainly not communist then or now. At the time, the notion of 'free love' and down with racism and down with sexism was associated with communism. I was opposed to racism, sexism, discrimination of any kind that I imagined (and my imagination was limited by my youth and lack of experience and exposure).
Note: I was only vaguely aware of homosexuality at the time but that relative ignorance did not color my view and as I became more aware of homosexuality and other sexual orientations, it only solidified my response. This did not include marriage because to be very honest, I had never heard marriage between same sex partners suggested and lacked the imagination to think about it myself. The political times were much more about bringing down the patriarchal norms of marriage = man owning/having rights over woman. Expanding marriage rights was not on a lot of minds of people like myself who frankly could not picture themselves ever choosing marriage and so not even considering that there were same sex couples who absolutely wanted that right. It was, to be honest: a blind spot, or several.
Either way, coming from a liberal, it's a pathetically lukewarm response. #appeasement
Fundy: "Real MarriageTM is between a (real) man and a (real) woman.
Warren : "That's nice"
It's a perfect response that frame the issue the only way it should be framed, a matter of personal choice where no one has any say on anyone's marriage but their own.
If you believe marriage is X, they you should make your own marriage X and that is the only relevance your belief has.
Either way, coming from a liberal, it's a pathetically lukewarm response. #appeasement
Fundy: "Real MarriageTM is between a (real) man and a (real) woman.
Warren : "That's nice"
It's a perfect response that frame the issue the only way it should be framed, a matter of personal choice where no one has any say on anyone's marriage but their own.
If you believe marriage is X, they you should make your own marriage X and that is the only relevance your belief has.
Yes, it's become the standard goto rebuttal used by the liberal left for everything.
Don't like abortion? Don't have one.
Don't like same sex marriage? Don't have one.
But notice how this doesn't work in both directions.
Don't think climate change is a problem? Fine. Ignore Greta Thunberg.
Gun stockpiling? Where's the problem. Nobody is forcing you to own guns.
Uncomfortable with fluid gender theory? Easy - you don't have to accept non-binary pronouns.
Yes, it's become the standard goto rebuttal used by the liberal left for everything.
Don't like abortion? Don't have one.
Don't like same sex marriage? Don't have one.
But notice how this doesn't work in both directions.
Don't think climate change is a problem? Fine. Ignore Greta Thunberg.
Gun stockpiling? Where's the problem. Nobody is forcing you to own guns.
Uncomfortable with fluid gender theory? Easy - you don't have to accept non-binary pronouns.
There's a difference between an action that hurts someone else, and one that does not. I suspect we agree on this, but not on the boundary between those conditions.
Well, I don't personally disagree with you on that one.Yes, it's become the standard goto rebuttal used by the liberal left for everything.
Don't like abortion? Don't have one.
Don't like same sex marriage? Don't have one.
But notice how this doesn't work in both directions.
Don't think climate change is a problem? Fine. Ignore Greta Thunberg.
Gun stockpiling? Where's the problem. Nobody is forcing you to own guns.
Uncomfortable with fluid gender theory? Easy - you don't have to accept non-binary pronouns.
There's a difference between an action that hurts someone else, and one that does not. I suspect we agree on this, but not on the boundary between those conditions.
Pretty sure abortion hurts someone.
Well, I don't personally disagree with you on that one.Pretty sure abortion hurts someone.
But I do absolutely see it as different from the question of whether my partner and I should have the right to marry. Who is that supposed to hurt? The feelings of people who worship a book that they don't bother to read very carefully?
When Elizabeth Warren was asked what she would say to a person who says they hold a cherished belief that marriage is something between one man and one woman, she replied that such a person would most likely be male, and so she would suggest they go ahead and "marry one woman, if he could find one".
I'm not a Warren supporter, but I support the sentiment that those with cherished beliefs should go right ahead and cherish them... because that should make them blissful.
Well, I don't personally disagree with you on that one.
But I do absolutely see it as different from the question of whether my partner and I should have the right to marry. Who is that supposed to hurt? The feelings of people who worship a book that they don't bother to read very carefully?
...Abortion hurts the woman - my wife had multiple ectopic pregnancies, so I know. But a blob of protoplasmic material that you can barely see? Sorry, christofascists, I can't prioritize such a thing over the life of my wife.
...Climate change/science denial hurts EVERYONE, and these false equivalences are LIES.
Elizabeth Warren voted for Reagan during the AIDS crisis
And?
It isn't as though there was any widespread thought of gay marriage during the AIDS crisis when most people assumed that AIDS was a 'gay' disease, if indeed, they could even bring themselves to mention the word 'gay.'
So, what year did Saint Bernie decide to support gay marriage?
Elizabeth Warren voted for Reagan during the AIDS crisis
And?
It isn't as though there was any widespread thought of gay marriage during the AIDS crisis when most people assumed that AIDS was a 'gay' disease, if indeed, they could even bring themselves to mention the word 'gay.'
So, what year did Saint Bernie decide to support gay marriage?
1983 if not earlier
By the way, the guy in the audience who asked the question was Morgan Cox, one of Elizabeth Warren's corporate megadonors. In other words, it was staged. Welcome back to 2016.