Well... it's Trump... again. #47, here we go.

[Loren Pechtel]

First they came for the criminals, and I did not speak out, because

Why do you want gangbangers and criminals to be allowed to remain in the USA?

Trump is going about it in his trademark "elephant in a china shop" way of course, but do you really think illegals or legal aliens who commit serious crimes should get to stay in the US?
It seems to me you are objecting to the principle of deporting criminals here, not just the way Trump is going about doing that.

It sounds like you are not listening.

We have no problem with deporting actual non-trivial criminals. But we expect the government to establish that they actually are criminals. What we are seeing now is clearly ICE simply trying to run up a score, better to get somebody even if they aren't the right person. And we have things like the recent mess where they took the guy and simply left his young kids in the truck.

Then they came for the immigrants, and I did not speak out, because

Again, not agreeing with the way Trump does it, but if a country does not control its borders and who gets to come it, you don't really have a country. Even Europe is starting to understand that. Perhaps too late though.

Except that's not what's happening. He's forcing the illegals deeper underground, it's unlikely he's actually accomplishing much. Deportations are down despite the extremely heavy-handed tactics of ICE. It's about making noise, not about accomplishing anything.

Then they came for the Muslims, and I did not speak out, because

But to the left, Muslims get a pass. And even worse, anybody who disagrees gets labeled "racist" and even "Neo-Nazi".

Islamism is a clear and present danger to the West. Your cartoon about not understanding history is apt. People like you who deny the threat from political Islam definitely do not understand history.

But not everyone from such places is bad.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Yes. At least long enough to stand trial.

But they should also not be gazillion stages of appeals to deportation. Nor should "sanctuary cities" be a thing.

Letting the people function in the system actually is better for the citizens.

And asylum should go back to what it was intended to be - offering protection for people genuinely persecuted in their countries. Not a way for millions of people to come here and flaunt our immigration laws.

And your evidence they weren't being persecuted? You realize in many cases it's systemic? You're not really given a choice in whether to join the gangs.

The deportations are not the only illegal shit he is doing. He has ignored court orders. Arrested judges and lawyers.

One judge has been arrested because she helped an illegal evade ICE. I do not think judges should be aiding and abetting illegal immigration.

But we have no actual evidence of wrongdoing on her part. Nothing but an accusation--and he already has a track record of accusing people he doesn't like of being criminals despite no evidence. Even despite being shown that the original was based on a false premise. (ICE going after people with "gang" tattoos--except they weren't. Not every tattoo on a gangster is gang related.)

If a country does not control its leaders, you don't really have a country, you don't have a democracy, you don't have freedom. You have a fifedom.

Both Trump and de-facto open borders that many Dems support are bad. But the latter is part of the reason we got the former.
People who were loud about things like decriminalizing illegal border crossings, expanding grounds for asylum, and abolishing ICE gave us Trump.

(spellcheck is broken)

You can check you own spelling, like in the old days.

At this point ICE should be abolished. Along with the DEA. Both majorly abuse Americans. To the extent the functions are needed create a new force, no existing members are permitted.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

@Derec Did you see the news today?
The mayor of Newark NJ was arrested by ICE. Criminals and illegals indeed.

Yup. They (there were some from Washington involved also) were simply trying to keep an eye on what ICE was doing. That's getting pretty close to police state territory.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Also dodging prosecution for insurrection and treason, don't forget about that.
Tom

He wasn't changed with either. And the only case that actually went forward was the stupid one about him paying hush money to a porn actress.

The only case he failed to derail. Doesn't mean they weren't good cases.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Wasn't charged with that either. If you want to be pedantic, right back atchya.

Ok, he was charged with recording a hush money payment to a porn star wrong. A nothing misdemeanor elevated to 34 felonies based on nothing but Alvin Bragg's overinflated ego.
It was a stupid case that ended up helping Trump far more than it hurt him.

It was a carefully planned deception, not a mistake. And it's exactly what the law was intended to go after: dirty bookkeeping. It's like they ended up getting Al Capone on taxes--dirty books are often a lot easier to prove than the underlying crime that caused the dirty bookkeeping.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The ICE has certainly done a u-turn in behaivour in an astoundindly short period of time.

I see no U-turn. I see them becoming more open in their evil, but they have been far from upstanding for a long time.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Also dodging prosecution for insurrection and treason, don't forget about that.
Tom

He wasn't changed with either. And the only case that actually went forward was the stupid one about him paying hush money to a porn actress.

Even that one has been misrepresented as being about the hush money. It wasn't, that's not illegal. It was about the fraud committed to avoid Trump paying it personally

Not accurate. The issue was he was hiding a major payment by cutting it into smaller payments to avoid detection of regulators. This was why each payment was a crime. Trump could have written a single personal check, he could have used his campaign money to pay it as long as he recorded it. But instead, he tried to do it under the radar.

If he had simply paid it with campaign money it would have shown up in the required disclosures. His actions were about keeping from disclosing it.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The point of the poem is that fascists are equal oppertunity oppressers.

But every government should go after criminals and should protect its borders.
That makes these things a poor example for a US version of the poem.

The problem is that that's not what he's actually doing. The poem is a very accurate description of the current situation.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Taking back a lot of Afghans in the final days of America's retreat from the W debacle in Afghanistan, was about one of the only decent things that happened with that occupation.

Why do you think taking in a bunch of poorly vetted Afghans was a good thing to do? Especially since almost all Afghans support the Sharia Law according to Pew?
Why can't Islamic countries take them in? Why does it always have to be the West?

They were ones that had helped US forces. You think they were fundies?!?! And by leaving them behind we sentenced them to death.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

One wonders if Joe Biden or Kamala Harris had engaged in extra-marital affairs, if Republicans would have kept it to themselves on the grounds that voters don't have the right to know about all that.

You're missing the point.

Powerful person has an affair? Very, very common, not newsworthy. I don't care who was in the President's bed.

But when you run on family values and have an affair, now it becomes newsworthy because it's showing you don't practice what you preach. I do care if you do the opposite of what you say people should do.

 

[Tigers!]

The ICE has certainly done a u-turn in behaivour in an astoundindly short period of time.

I see no U-turn. I see them becoming more open in their evil, but they have been far from upstanding for a long time.

Its seems like a u-turn from Oz.

You mean they were no good under the reign of the saintly Biden?

 

[unapologetic]

Cheato allows in white refugees

Trump administration welcomes 59 white South Africans as refugees

The Trump administration is welcoming a small group of white South Africans as refugees, saying they face discrimination and violence at home.

apnews.com

Relitives of Musk bypassing the imagration laws.

But every government should go after criminals and should protect its borders.

Every government should prove it's aligations first.

What part of "I am not defending Trump's process" do you not understand?

Becasuse you ARE. You say you are not, but you defend his actions out of the other side of your mouth.

But they can be detained before a deportation order is rendered.

Detained where? El Salvador? Rump said he's never bringing them back.

Why can't Islamic countries take them in? Why does it always have to be the West?

Because Is-lame has no empathy. We (execpt Rump) aledgily do.
Because we're 'the good guys'. Right?

 

[aupmanyav]

Trump overs for a belly scratch (with happy ending?) and then removes sanctions on Syria after Saudi Arabia requested it.

MBS is a sane person. Good that Trump did what MBS wanted.

 

[Patooka]

MBS is a sane person

Oh thank god. I've losing sleep over bin Salman's state of mind when he orders the torture and execution of journalists. Now I can rest easy.

 

[aupmanyav]

Oh thank god. I've losing sleep over bin Salman's state of mind when he orders the torture and execution of journalists. Now I can rest easy.

Some times rulers get angry. He is better now.

 

[aupmanyav]

Art of the deal, baby!!!

Credit mongering. India has made it absolutely clear that no third party will be involved in talks. the talks will not he held in a third country, and nothing other than terror or Pakistan-occupied Kashmir will be discussed.

 

[Patooka]

Oh thank god. I've losing sleep over bin Salman's state of mind when he orders the torture and execution of journalists. Now I can rest easy.

Some times rulers get angry. He is better now.

"Better"? I've gotta say, I'm now skeptical of your sanity.

 

[bilby]

Taking back a lot of Afghans in the final days of America's retreat from the W debacle in Afghanistan, was about one of the only decent things that happened with that occupation.

Why do you think taking in a bunch of poorly vetted Afghans was a good thing to do? Especially since almost all Afghans support the Sharia Law according to Pew?
Why can't Islamic countries take them in? Why does it always have to be the West?

They were ones that had helped US forces. You think they were fundies?!?! And by leaving them behind we sentenced them to death.

The logical fallacy has been pointed out to him several times, but he still repeats the fallacious claim.

p1) Almost all Afghans support "the Sharia Law" (sic) according to Pew

p2) The Afghans who helped US forces were allowed to enter the US

c) The Afghans who were allowed to enter the US probably support "the Sharia Law"

The hidden (false) premise is

p3) The Afghans who helped US forces were a random selection of Afghans, with no selection bias with respect to their support for "the Sharia Law"

The absurdity of the idea that the supporters of the US amongst Afghans would be drawn mostly from that majority of Afghans who support "the Sharia Law", and not preferentially from the minority who don't, is concealed by leaving p3 as an implication, not to be examined too closely.

 

[lostone]

After many years of hearing the US boasting about how superior we were to the people in other republics, how we would never allow our nation to be governed by dictators like those in Latin America, or a Musselino or a Hitler, or any authoritarian demagogue, it's time for us to eat humble pie. We have shown that our public is no better than that of other nations.

 

[Patooka]

After many years of hearing the US boasting about how superior we were to the people in other republics, how we would never allow our nation to be governed by dictators like those in Latin America, or a Musselino or a Hitler, or any authoritarian demagogue, it's time for us to eat humble pie. We have shown that our public is no better than that of other nations.

Yeah, those 80s and 90s action movies have aged like fine milk. I'm waiting for the MAGAtards to try and rewrite history about Reagan the way Napoleon did towards Snowball in Animal Farm.