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Well... it's Trump... again. #47, here we go.

ZiprHead said:
abcnews.go.com

Trump doesn't place hand on Bible during swearing-in

President Donald Trump didn't place his hand on the Bible as he took the oath of office on Monday.
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Shouldn't matter to his fanatical followers. They compare him to Cyrus the Great, a heathen.
But why didn't Melania bring him The.One.True.Bible -- the overpriced made-in-China Trump Bible?
And what's with Melania's weird black hat? I didn't even recognize her.
 
Swammerdami said:
ZiprHead said:
abcnews.go.com

Trump doesn't place hand on Bible during swearing-in

President Donald Trump didn't place his hand on the Bible as he took the oath of office on Monday.
abcnews.go.com abcnews.go.com
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Shouldn't matter to his fanatical followers. They compare him to Cyrus the Great, a heathen.
But why didn't Melania bring him The.One.True.Bible -- the overpriced made-in-China Trump Bible?
And what's with Melania's weird black hat? I didn't even recognize her.
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If religious nutjobs were logically consistent Trump wouldn't be president.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
Is he going to rename the Midwest USA back to "The West" next?
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It could be renamed Iroquois Territory.
There's still a surviving original copy of the treaty signed by top officials of the US government ceding near all the territory from mid Ohio to the Mississippi River to the Iroquois Federation.
Tom
 
Shadowy Man said:
Swammerdami said:
And what's with Melania's weird black hat? I didn't even recognize her.
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I saw one video clip that showed that with the wide brim of the hat Donald couldn’t get his face close enough to kiss her. I think that explains the hat well.
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Good theory! I read somewhere that she was in gangster chic. To me it looked more like Remedial Level Givenchy, like the asymmetrical weirdnesses that Celine Dion used to wear.
 
GenesisNemesis said:
Swammerdami said:
ZiprHead said:
abcnews.go.com

Trump doesn't place hand on Bible during swearing-in

President Donald Trump didn't place his hand on the Bible as he took the oath of office on Monday.
abcnews.go.com abcnews.go.com
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Shouldn't matter to his fanatical followers. They compare him to Cyrus the Great, a heathen.
But why didn't Melania bring him The.One.True.Bible -- the overpriced made-in-China Trump Bible?
And what's with Melania's weird black hat? I didn't even recognize her.
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If religious nutjobs were logically consistent Trump wouldn't be president.
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Obviously, swearing on a book of fiction is silly. But this guy had protestors gassed so he could do a photo op (completely out of the blue) with the same book of fiction.
 
I know I shouldn't, but...

This morning a FB friend I used to work with (who is not full-on Trump but still very conservo-libertarian) posted something to the effect that all the people freaking out over the last 24 hours (Leon's Sieg Heil, etc) were over-reacting and didn't "know anything about the history of Germany in WWII."

I replied that I had in fact studied it while finishing up my history major in college, and I had...concerns about the direction of our country. He shot back that I had "tunnel vision" and that the whole "very fine people" line was taken out of context. I never said anything about that, and reminded him that I read multiple books covering the period of time from Bismark to the start of WWII, wrote a couple of papers for the class, and still have my dog-eared copy of "The German Catastrophe" by Friedrich Meinecke that I got at the student bookstore.

He quickly deleted his post.

Which is too bad, because I was preparing to explain that the Nazis weren't socialist despite the name, and ask if he got his history degree from PragerU.
 
Birthright citizen ship was targeted by Trump's EOs. They indicated that the parents must have legal standing for offspring to have birth related citizenship.

The trouble is, that isn't the law. And there is some pretty messed up logic here. After all, SCOTUS ruled in Roper that the Executive Branch isn't allowed to interpret anymore... it must be explicit in the legislation. We are talking the Fourteenth Amendment, which is explicit. And SCOTUS has back up birthright citizenship.

So we start wandering into what is the world of Trump. Say whatever you want and stick with it. So Trump's Executive Branch has said they refuse to follow the rules as set forth by Congress (pre-14th Amendment) and SCOTUS. I find this more troubling than the actual policy because it is a continuation of Trump will rule apparently as he sees fit, and the law doesn't matter. He says he won't enforce the TikTok ban. He won't enforce birth right citizenship. These are laws / and or the Constitution explicitly. He swore to abide by the rules, and he is already breaking them.

Granted, I can see SCOTUS pull out of the hat and reverse birth right citizenship too, but we aren't there yet.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
Granted, I can see SCOTUS pull out of the hat and reverse birth right citizenship too, but we aren't there yet.
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I wonder what this coming term will mean for the Supreme Court. Obviously if Sotomayor or Kagan retire it will become even more conservative, and they'll roll back more of the previous rulings that don't comport with the Federalist Society's ideals, but in light of their recent tacit assertion that they, too, are above the law, will they push back as Trump asserts more and more authority? I can't see Roberts sitting idly by while the executive runs roughshod over the court's authority. Will we see a repeat of the (alleged) quote from Jackson "John Marshall has made his decision, now let him enforce it?"

Thomas and Alito will no doubt go wherever the money tells them, but Roberts? Gorsuch? Kavanaugh? Even Barret seems to have not been the slam-dunk Trump rubber stamp she was thought to have been, and in general, very powerful people are loathe to give up their power without a fight.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
Birthright citizen ship was targeted by Trump's EOs. They indicated that the parents must have legal standing for offspring to have birth related citizenship.

The trouble is, that isn't the law. And there is some pretty messed up logic here. After all, SCOTUS ruled in Roper that the Executive Branch isn't allowed to interpret anymore... it must be explicit in the legislation. We are talking the Fourteenth Amendment, which is explicit. And SCOTUS has back up birthright citizenship.

So we start wandering into what is the world of Trump. Say whatever you want and stick with it. So Trump's Executive Branch has said they refuse to follow the rules as set forth by Congress (pre-14th Amendment) and SCOTUS. I find this more troubling than the actual policy because it is a continuation of Trump will rule apparently as he sees fit, and the law doesn't matter. He says he won't enforce the TikTok ban. He won't enforce birth right citizenship. These are laws / and or the Constitution explicitly. He swore to abide by the rules, and he is already breaking them.

Granted, I can see SCOTUS pull out of the hat and reverse birth right citizenship too, but we aren't there yet.
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Trump believes he is above the law and unfortunately, sometimes he's been right.
 
We're having a ton of ugly family drama around here, unfortunately.
I'm afraid to open the Onion.
Tom
 
GenesisNemesis said:
Elixir said:
GenesisNemesis said:
The Colourful Jester said:
Dear America

You deserve everything you get.

Signed

A world that will probably try and copy what you do.
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No, Trump voters deserve what they get. The people who didn't vote for this don't. Pretty simple. Also I wouldn't wish this on survivors of abuse either.
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We will ALL* be survivors of abuse - if we survive.

* unless you’re a billionaire
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Won't be abuse for the Trump voters. They deserve it. ;)

After all that's how they treat victims of abuse.
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The thing that is hard to understand are all the nice people who voted for the felon. For example, the 81 year old woman who I exercise with along with another one who is in her 70s and the neighbor across the street from me. He is the most caring neighbor I've ever had. He even once came over and mowed our lawn, just to be nice, and he rescued us when our car had a blown out tire downtown. He once told. us that he hated both Trump and Biden. That was before Biden dropped out, but then he told us he voted for Trump. Seriously. The two women I mentioned get their fake news from Fox or Newsmax, so that is one reason why so many otherwise kind, decent people voted for the felon. I've been tempted to ask one if she's happy now that the felon commuted the sentences of the violent Jan. 6th assholes who were violent. These women claim to be good Christians. I'm tempted to ask if they think their Jesus would have voted for their orange Jesus. Damn! "Idiocracy is here". These people don't deserve to be abused. They were just idiots who were manipulated by a convicted felon who couldn't give a shit about them.
 
On the 14th Amendment and I'm sure others to follow, I think what it comes down to is, does he comply with the law and what if anything does congress do about it. I'd like to just give up and not watch any of this but I'm sure Trump and the Republicans would like that too. So I will do my duty and stay informed.
This birthright citizenship crap seems so blatant. The USA has always been "right of soil" without restriction. Let's see who on the Supreme Court has the temerity to find wiggle room in this.
 
Swammerdami said:
ZiprHead said:
abcnews.go.com

Trump doesn't place hand on Bible during swearing-in

President Donald Trump didn't place his hand on the Bible as he took the oath of office on Monday.
abcnews.go.com abcnews.go.com
Click to expand...

Shouldn't matter to his fanatical followers. They compare him to Cyrus the Great, a heathen.
But why didn't Melania bring him The.One.True.Bible -- the overpriced made-in-China Trump Bible?
And what's with Melania's weird black hat? I didn't even recognize her.
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I figured she was trying to hide how she really felt.
 
Angry Floof said:
I'm telling you, the dark money is going to unalive him asap after the inauguration.
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Can you offer a tentative date? I’m getting impatient already.
It would be unsurprising if they got rid of Shady V too, and installed Johnson.
 
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