Well... it's Trump... again. #47, here we go.

[RVonse]

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Tell that to all the private corporations who do this all the time

You understand private corporations aren't expected to provide basic services that working families desperately depend upon day in and day out right? What's with your hatred of the middle class?

Also, weren't you complaining a few days ago that that the government wasn't adequately prepared for the once in a lifetime fires in LA? So which is it - you either want "efficiency in government" (which everybody knows is code for the extreme bare minimum to get the job done and pray all the moving parts work 100% all the time), or you want government so flush with resources they can handle anything.

Stop talking out of both sides of your fucking mouth.

I've never worked for government but I have worked from some really big corporations over long periods of time. Generally what happens is that sales are really good so they hire a bunch of people for production who then hire a bunch of more administrators. And then over time those administrators get even more lazy and try to prove how hard they are working so they can get their headcount numbers increased even more. Everything works out well but all the administrators start slacking (because of all the headcount) but still making a lot of money. It should be noted that production headcount is more tied to the actual production but administration is not. Anyway for one reason or another sales will inevitably tank and the CEO starts closing plants and laying off people. When he starts closing the plants and laying off all the excess headcount I guarantee he is not thinking about quality or anything else except survival. Maybe he should be but he isn't. They just keep laying off until the line can't run any longer and then and only then will they start hiring back only what it takes to run again.

That is where our government is today.

Claim uncited. Are you suggesting that 900,000 Federal Bureaucrats are all upper management?

If I were Musk, I would be finding out who gets defined pensions and or other benefits that are no longer common in private industry. Government work used to mean people who made less than private industry but that is no longer the case.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

If I were Musk, I would be finding out who gets defined pensions and or other benefits that are no longer common in private industry. Government work used to mean people who made less than private industry but that is no longer the case.

You are such a fan of accusing people of things or making statements that you always have to walk back because you didn't ever research it properly.

 

[ZiprHead]

Tell that to all the private corporations who do this all the time

You understand private corporations aren't expected to provide basic services that working families desperately depend upon day in and day out right? What's with your hatred of the middle class?

Also, weren't you complaining a few days ago that that the government wasn't adequately prepared for the once in a lifetime fires in LA? So which is it - you either want "efficiency in government" (which everybody knows is code for the extreme bare minimum to get the job done and pray all the moving parts work 100% all the time), or you want government so flush with resources they can handle anything.

Stop talking out of both sides of your fucking mouth.

but I have worked from some really big corporations over long periods of time. Generally what happens is that sales are really good so they hire a bunch of people for production who then hire a bunch of more administrators. And then over time those administrators get even more lazy and try to prove how hard they are working so they can get their headcount numbers increased even more. Everything works out well but all the administrators start slacking (because of all the headcount) but still making a lot of money. It should be noted that production headcount is more tied to the actual production but administration is not. Anyway for one reason or another sales will inevitably tank and the CEO starts closing plants and laying off people. When he starts closing the plants and laying off all the excess headcount I guarantee he is not thinking about quality or anything else except survival. Maybe he should be but he isn't. They just keep laying off until the line can't run any longer and then and only then will they start hiring back only what it takes to run again.

That is where our government is today. Too many administrators hired over the years, some of them just looking busy. Bloated salaries and defined pensions no longer competitive in private industry. Those are the dead weight Musk will be looking for. It isn't possible to get rid of government employees so the only practical approach Musk can do is to lay them all off en mass and then re-hire what it takes to run afterwords. It sounds stupid but that is exactly how the super huge corporations do it because it works and they can't get down to nitty gritty with such a huge personnel to do it more efficiently. First they bring in the buyouts and incentive's for the old people that want to retire anyway. Then they bring in the ax to get down to their goal.

Interesting. How did you come to this conclusion? Your first words in this post are "I've never worked for government".

 

[ZiprHead]

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Tell that to all the private corporations who do this all the time

You understand private corporations aren't expected to provide basic services that working families desperately depend upon day in and day out right? What's with your hatred of the middle class?

Also, weren't you complaining a few days ago that that the government wasn't adequately prepared for the once in a lifetime fires in LA? So which is it - you either want "efficiency in government" (which everybody knows is code for the extreme bare minimum to get the job done and pray all the moving parts work 100% all the time), or you want government so flush with resources they can handle anything.

Stop talking out of both sides of your fucking mouth.

I've never worked for government but I have worked from some really big corporations over long periods of time. Generally what happens is that sales are really good so they hire a bunch of people for production who then hire a bunch of more administrators. And then over time those administrators get even more lazy and try to prove how hard they are working so they can get their headcount numbers increased even more. Everything works out well but all the administrators start slacking (because of all the headcount) but still making a lot of money. It should be noted that production headcount is more tied to the actual production but administration is not. Anyway for one reason or another sales will inevitably tank and the CEO starts closing plants and laying off people. When he starts closing the plants and laying off all the excess headcount I guarantee he is not thinking about quality or anything else except survival. Maybe he should be but he isn't. They just keep laying off until the line can't run any longer and then and only then will they start hiring back only what it takes to run again.

That is where our government is today.

Claim uncited. Are you suggesting that 900,000 Federal Bureaucrats are all upper management?

If I were Musk, I would be finding out who gets defined pensions and or other benefits that are no longer common in private industry. Government work used to mean people who made less than private industry but that is no longer the case.

I again ask Mr. I've never worked for government how you came to this determination?

 

[Elixir]

Funny how all these “cost savings” by fiscal amputation, are being done by grifting billionaires.

 

[Derec]

Another stupidity is his rant against Spain for being one of the founding members of BRICS. But Spain has no interest in even joining BRICS. Trump was just guessing what the S in BRICS stands for and guessed wrong: It's South Africa.

He probably mixed up BRICS and PIIGS.

 

[RVonse]

More of

Tell that to all the private corporations who do this all the time

You understand private corporations aren't expected to provide basic services that working families desperately depend upon day in and day out right? What's with your hatred of the middle class?

Also, weren't you complaining a few days ago that that the government wasn't adequately prepared for the once in a lifetime fires in LA? So which is it - you either want "efficiency in government" (which everybody knows is code for the extreme bare minimum to get the job done and pray all the moving parts work 100% all the time), or you want government so flush with resources they can handle anything.

Stop talking out of both sides of your fucking mouth.

I've never worked for government but I have worked from some really big corporations over long periods of time. Generally what happens is that sales are really good so they hire a bunch of people for production who then hire a bunch of more administrators. And then over time those administrators get even more lazy and try to prove how hard they are working so they can get their headcount numbers increased even more. Everything works out well but all the administrators start slacking (because of all the headcount) but still making a lot of money. It should be noted that production headcount is more tied to the actual production but administration is not. Anyway for one reason or another sales will inevitably tank and the CEO starts closing plants and laying off people. When he starts closing the plants and laying off all the excess headcount I guarantee he is not thinking about quality or anything else except survival. Maybe he should be but he isn't. They just keep laying off until the line can't run any longer and then and only then will they start hiring back only what it takes to run again.

That is where our government is today.

Claim uncited. Are you suggesting that 900,000 Federal Bureaucrats are all upper management?

If I were Musk, I would be finding out who gets defined pensions and or other benefits that are no longer common in private industry. Government work used to mean people who made less than private industry but that is no longer the case.

I again ask Mr. I've never worked for government how you came to this determination?

The government is an extremely large organization and a large organization of workforce is something I do have years of experience. Under such a circumstance, low energy is the sure way to fail. I am sure of that much. Musk needs to put 100% into this.

And this has to happen soon because we are already likely doomed. Interest expense of the deficit is more than the military budget now. This is how empires fall.

 

[laughing dog]

If I were Musk, I would be finding out who gets defined pensions and or other benefits that are no longer common in private industry. Government work used to mean people who made less than private industry but that is no longer the case.

On what basis do you imagine that?

 

[RVonse]

If I were Musk, I would be finding out who gets defined pensions and or other benefits that are no longer common in private industry. Government work used to mean people who made less than private industry but that is no longer the case.

On what basis do you imagine that?

Well there is one way we can tell.

I happen to know property in Washington DC is the most expensive in the country, even rivaling what can be found in California. Property does not get to be expensive unless there are people making huge amounts of money bidding up their value.

And most of the jobs in Washington DC are government jobs that I am paying for with my federal taxes from my job working in a low cost mid western location. In a better world, you would expect the high cost property to be located where the income was coming from not the other way around.

When the Washington DC area starts to look like Detroit, that is when we will know the people employed there are not making enough money.

 

[southernhybrid]

Tell that to all the private corporations who do this all the time

You understand private corporations aren't expected to provide basic services that working families desperately depend upon day in and day out right? What's with your hatred of the middle class?

Also, weren't you complaining a few days ago that that the government wasn't adequately prepared for the once in a lifetime fires in LA? So which is it - you either want "efficiency in government" (which everybody knows is code for the extreme bare minimum to get the job done and pray all the moving parts work 100% all the time), or you want government so flush with resources they can handle anything.

Stop talking out of both sides of your fucking mouth.

I've never worked for government but I have worked from some really big corporations over long periods of time. Generally what happens is that sales are really good so they hire a bunch of people for production who then hire a bunch of more administrators. And then over time those administrators get even more lazy and try to prove how hard they are working so they can get their headcount numbers increased even more. Everything works out well but all the administrators start slacking (because of all the headcount) but still making a lot of money. It should be noted that production headcount is more tied to the actual production but administration is not. Anyway for one reason or another sales will inevitably tank and the CEO starts closing plants and laying off people. When he starts closing the plants and laying off all the excess headcount I guarantee he is not thinking about quality or anything else except survival. Maybe he should be but he isn't. They just keep laying off until the line can't run any longer and then and only then will they start hiring back only what it takes to run again.

That is where our government is today. Too many administrators hired over the years, some of them just looking busy. Bloated salaries and defined pensions no longer competitive in private industry. Those are the dead weight Musk will be looking for. It isn't possible to get rid of government employees so the only practical approach Musk can do is to lay them all off en mass and then re-hire what it takes to run afterwords. It sounds stupid but that is exactly how the super huge corporations do it because it works and they can't get down to nitty gritty with such a huge personnel to do it more efficiently. First they bring in the buyouts and incentive's for the old people that want to retire anyway. Then they bring in the ax to get down to their goal.

More of

Tell that to all the private corporations who do this all the time

You understand private corporations aren't expected to provide basic services that working families desperately depend upon day in and day out right? What's with your hatred of the middle class?

Also, weren't you complaining a few days ago that that the government wasn't adequately prepared for the once in a lifetime fires in LA? So which is it - you either want "efficiency in government" (which everybody knows is code for the extreme bare minimum to get the job done and pray all the moving parts work 100% all the time), or you want government so flush with resources they can handle anything.

Stop talking out of both sides of your fucking mouth.

I've never worked for government but I have worked from some really big corporations over long periods of time. Generally what happens is that sales are really good so they hire a bunch of people for production who then hire a bunch of more administrators. And then over time those administrators get even more lazy and try to prove how hard they are working so they can get their headcount numbers increased even more. Everything works out well but all the administrators start slacking (because of all the headcount) but still making a lot of money. It should be noted that production headcount is more tied to the actual production but administration is not. Anyway for one reason or another sales will inevitably tank and the CEO starts closing plants and laying off people. When he starts closing the plants and laying off all the excess headcount I guarantee he is not thinking about quality or anything else except survival. Maybe he should be but he isn't. They just keep laying off until the line can't run any longer and then and only then will they start hiring back only what it takes to run again.

That is where our government is today.

Claim uncited. Are you suggesting that 900,000 Federal Bureaucrats are all upper management?

If I were Musk, I would be finding out who gets defined pensions and or other benefits that are no longer common in private industry. Government work used to mean people who made less than private industry but that is no longer the case.

Yes, that is often still the case. Plus, a lot of workers for government are now contractors because the number of government workers has remained the same for a long time, but the population of our country has increased substantially. I found an interesting link that goes into detail about this. My son recently became a federal employee after working as an. underpaid contractor for the same office, doing the same job. He did get a raise, but he still makes about 40 or 50k less then he could likely make in the private sector. I'll be surprised if you read my link, but you could benefit from looking up some information about government workers instead of making unproven assumptions.

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/...and-composition-of-todays-federal-government/

So, to begin, today’s government reformers must understand what the federal government is today. The first issue concerns the actual federal workforce. In 2014, John DiIulio Jr. wrote a brief but provocative book titled “Bring Back the Bureaucrats.” Since 1960, annual federal spending (in trillions) has increased exponentially, but the number of federal civilian workers has remained largely unchanged. In fact, as recently as the 1996 presidential campaign, President Bill Clinton bragged that, in his first term, he had created the “smallest government since John F. Kennedy was president.”6 As DiIulio points out, to understand the size of the federal government, one needs to put it in perspective. Over time, the federal workforce (full and part time) has shrunk as a percentage of the total U.S. population, from 1.1% in FY 1967 to 0.6% in 2018. In absolute terms, the federal workforce is slightly smaller than it was 50 years ago, even though the U.S. population has increased by two-thirds during that time period.7 Not only are the number of federal employees small compared to the population, but they also don’t cost very much. Compensation for federal employees cost $291 billion in 2019, or 6.6% of that year’s total spending.8

When it comes to the cost of wages and salaries, John D. Donahue found that “the private and public sector workforces now diverge sharply at the top and bottom of the earnings ladder.”9 Some of this divergence has, for instance, been the result of huge earnings at the top of the private sector. For example, consider this: Is there any private-sector CEO in the world who runs a company distributing $1.5 trillion annually in benefits to 66 million people, manages a workforce of about 61,000 employees, and oversees 1,500 offices globally, while earning less than $200,000 a year? The answer is no, but that’s the salary of the head of the Social Security Administration.

There is a chart in the article regarding wages and benefits. Wages tend to be lower for government workers, but benefits tend to be higher. Just because greedy corporations have stopped most pensions, doesn't mean that people who work for the government shouldn't get pensions. SS was supposed to be a supplement to pensions, and that is part of the reason why so many older adults don't have enough money to support themselves.

 

[laughing dog]

If I were Musk, I would be finding out who gets defined pensions and or other benefits that are no longer common in private industry. Government work used to mean people who made less than private industry but that is no longer the case.

On what basis do you imagine that?

Well there is one way we can tell.

I happen to know property in Washington DC is the most expensive in the country, even rivaling what can be found in California. Property does not get to be expensive unless there are people making huge amounts of money bidding up their value.

And most of the jobs in Washington DC are government jobs that I am paying for with my federal taxes from my job working in a low cost mid western location. In a better world, you would expect the high cost property to be located where the income was coming from not the other way around.

When the Washington DC area starts to look like Detroit, that is when we will know the people employed there are not making enough money.

What makes you think federal employees live in DC? And most federal workers don’t live in DC or the surrounding areas,

I used to live in the DC area. Back then, the cost of living was higher than in the Midwest (where I’ve spent over 90% of my adult life) and federal pay was not generous. So I suspect you are misinformed about federal compensation.

 

[bilby]

I happen to know property in Washington DC is the most expensive in the country, even rivaling what can be found in California. Property does not get to be expensive unless there are people making huge amounts of money bidding up their value.

And most of the jobs in Washington DC are government jobs that I am paying for with my federal taxes from my job working in a low cost mid western location.

You're right. There's almost nobody in DC who is not a federal government employee. Corporate lobbyists, foreign diplomats, lawyers, journalists... They are all fictional.

Probably.

 

[ZiprHead]

 

[Shadowy Man]

What makes you think federal employees live in DC? And most federal workers don’t live in DC or the surrounding areas,

I used to live in the DC area. Back then, the cost of living was higher than in the Midwest (where I’ve spent over 90% of my adult life) and federal pay was not generous. So I suspect you are misinformed about federal compensation.

the GS (General Schedule) scale of federal compensation is public, easily obtained information. Federal workers work all over the country, too, not just in DC. We need not speculate here as the information exists.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

What makes you think federal employees live in DC? And most federal workers don’t live in DC or the surrounding areas,

I used to live in the DC area. Back then, the cost of living was higher than in the Midwest (where I’ve spent over 90% of my adult life) and federal pay was not generous. So I suspect you are misinformed about federal compensation.

the GS (General Schedule) scale of federal compensation is public, easily obtained information. Federal workers work all over the country, too, not just in DC. We need not speculate here as the information exists.

Speculate? RVonse isn't speculating, they are asserting with unfounded certainty.

 

[bilby]

What makes you think federal employees live in DC? And most federal workers don’t live in DC or the surrounding areas,

I used to live in the DC area. Back then, the cost of living was higher than in the Midwest (where I’ve spent over 90% of my adult life) and federal pay was not generous. So I suspect you are misinformed about federal compensation.

the GS (General Schedule) scale of federal compensation is public, easily obtained information. Federal workers work all over the country, too, not just in DC. We need not speculate here as the information exists.

But speculation is much more readily matched to our beliefs.

Who wants to use information? All that does is get in the way of believing stuff.

 

[Shadowy Man]

What makes you think federal employees live in DC? And most federal workers don’t live in DC or the surrounding areas,

I used to live in the DC area. Back then, the cost of living was higher than in the Midwest (where I’ve spent over 90% of my adult life) and federal pay was not generous. So I suspect you are misinformed about federal compensation.

the GS (General Schedule) scale of federal compensation is public, easily obtained information. Federal workers work all over the country, too, not just in DC. We need not speculate here as the information exists.

Speculate? RVonse isn't speculating, they are asserting with unfounded certainty.

Fair enough. I guess it goes like this:

1. Federal workers work for the federal government.
2. The federal capital is DC
3. Therefore federal workers work in DC
4. Cost of living in DC is high
5. Therefore federal workers must be making good money to live in DC.
6. Government doesn’t do the things I want them to do.
7. Therefore federal workers are paid very good money to do nothing.
8. Fire them all to balance the budget.

Is that right?

 

[Politesse]

Trump just said he will sign an executive order to send migrants to Guantanamo.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/nat...ay-detention-center-to-hold-migrants/6127064/

At the signing of the Laken Riley Act, President Donald Trump said Wednesday that he is directing the opening of a detention center at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, to hold up to 30,000 migrants who are living illegally in the United States and cannot be deported to their home countries.

Trump made the announcement just before he signed the immigrant detention measure, the first law of his new administration.

“We’re going to send them out to Guantanamo," the president said in the White House East Room. He did not elaborate.

The U.S. military base has been used to house detainees from the U.S. war on terrorism.

Concentration camp.

 

[Spacetime Inhabitant]

If I were Musk, I would be finding out who gets defined pensions and or other benefits that are no longer common in private industry. Government work used to mean people who made less than private industry but that is no longer the case.

On what basis do you imagine that?

Well there is one way we can tell.

I happen to know property in Washington DC is the most expensive in the country, even rivaling what can be found in California. Property does not get to be expensive unless there are people making huge amounts of money bidding up their value.

And most of the jobs in Washington DC are government jobs that I am paying for with my federal taxes from my job working in a low cost mid western location. In a better world, you would expect the high cost property to be located where the income was coming from not the other way around.

When the Washington DC area starts to look like Detroit, that is when we will know the people employed there are not making enough money.

RE: BOLDED bit - this is a common claim that has two misconceptions:
Firstly, forgetting that those government employees also pay taxes.
Secondly, not realizing that non-government jobs are also partly paid for by your taxes. Apart from all the subsidies those companies receive, there is the way sales work. Take say a $2 pack of biscuits (cookies to you in the USA). Included in its price is at least 10% for marketing, and then of course sales tax is added on. That marketing cost is you subsidizing the company for what it pays to marketing companies (TV, radio, newspapers, internet marketing). The sales tax goes to a state government.

 

[Shadowy Man]

National Science Foundation suspends salary payments, leaving researchers unable to pay their bills

An NSF online payment system remained down after the federal funding freeze was lifted, leaving early-career scientists scrambling to pay bills

www.statnews.com

National Science Foundation suspends salary payments, leaving researchers unable to pay their bills​

NSF payment system remained offline despite the lifting of Trump administration funding freeze​