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What are your criteria for "fascist state"?

What are your criteria for "fascist state"?

Wait, I got this:

1) A Republican won the last election.

Of course you did. You couldn't see past that to save your life. Shutting out information is essential to maintaining absolute loyalty to an ideological identity.

Yes, well, I found no need for my ideological identity after Chimpy McBushitler won the last election we'll ever have.

So, this is not me shutting out information. This is me recognizing patterns in the information that flows past me. Though "information" is not really the best word.
 
I don't really like Canadian weather, but I like their people and civilization... I am already regretting having so many things rooting me to the US.

Is it time for another article on moving to Canada and how easy it is? So many OTUS seem to think it is something they can just do on a whim and that they have special applicant status for Canadian citizenship or permanent residency. They don't. They can visit, sure, but to live here, and especially to work here isn't so quick and easy. It will likely be the end of Trump's second term (if he gets one) before you get your PR card much less citizenship.
 
Jason, you are yet again missing the point to nurse pet peeves. None of those things amounts to right wing authoritarianism on the left.

Nope, just fascist authoritarianism. I didn't say "right wing".

I'm saying it ain't just one party people. There's plenty of fascism to go around.

"Right Wing Authoritarianism" as defined by Altemeyer, -- who wrote the book on the subject -- is not related to political ideology. Stalin and Mao were right wing authoritarians, for example.

Yeah, and Altemeyer at the time tried to claim that this wouldn't be used for politics. He was either naive or dishonest. I'm not sure which.
 
How far does a right wing authoritarian administration have to go, in your view, before you would agree that a state has become fascist or is on the threshold?

Fascism
"a radical authoritarian nationalism,[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and control of industry and commerce"

What are the indicators?

Hyper-nationalism. The right wing has met this criteria for some time now, and Trump has ramped it up exponentially, now demonizing Canada and Mexico. Right off the bat, Trump called for a Muslim ban. And if you haven't heard, he finally won that today.

Militarism. Trump has been relentlessly vocal about using our military to bully and punish.

Glorification of violence and readiness/encouragement to use it. From early in his campaign, Trump has encouraged violence on the press, people of opposing views, and immigrants.

"Strongman" leadership. Trump's always threatening a fight with someone he has already demonized and promised his base he would deal with in some way. He's constantly using rhetoric of "not putting up with X anymore" and the like. His fear-filled base responds as programmed. Republicans define themselves as the line of defense against this evil.

Disdain for human rights. Trump has used anti-human rights rhetoric for some time, but this week's call for undermining the constitution and doing away with due process for undocumented immigrants should be alarming to anyone paying attention. But if the last few months of "zero tolerance" policy using the traumatizing of migrant children as tool of punishment, and not as something that may sometimes be necessary in criminal matters but to be avoided whenever possible, don't faze you, I would not expect due process for foreigners would matter much to you anyway.

Attack on the press. Trump openly demonizes the press, and a state propaganda machine was already waiting for him in the form of Fox Newstainment. Far right raving wackos have moved much closer to mainstream, and Sinclair broadcasting has stepped up to offer their outlets as Trump state media.

Identification of enemies. The administration has been gathering a list of influencers in media, and Trump has been identifying "enemies" since day one, which is a list of anyone who opposes his views, and includes everyone except our actual enemies such as Russia and North Korea.

"Golden age" syndrome. Trump preys on the right's irrational sentiments about how great things were in a past time but went to shit because of all the out-groups they've been indoctrinated to hate and fear.

Theatrics. Trump's middle name. 'Nuff said.

Sexism. Also 'nuff said. He practically won the election on bragging about sexual assault.

This is not a comprehensive list. Don't forget:
  • Religion intertwined with political party
  • Corporate power strengthened and labor power weakened
  • Contempt for intellectualism and the arts
  • Crime/punishment mentality
  • Corruption and ethics violations
  • Fraudulent elections
  • Contempt for liberal democracy
(I took this list from a variety of sources. Google "steps to fascism" or similar and you'll find a plethora of sources.)


So where do you think we are on the road to fascism, and how much farther should we go before you move from hand waving to opposition?

Will you yourself or someone you care about have to be arrested unjustly before you realize that "both sides are the same" actually serves the encroaching fascism in the US?

I would add two:
Executive Orders, and it's not just the count but the content...
Stacking the Courts


and just quickly, I think the role of President is too powerful but this president he has gotten lucky to suddenly control all branches of government...so while every president may have wanted to have his party members in the courts, this one has succeeded and his party broke protocol or the law or something by refusing to confirm a good justice but instead to consolidate power which ended up in his lap. This is very very bad because of all the 5-4 rulings that would have been 4-5 rulings. And now these things support his Executive orders....which brings me to the last item:

One Party Rule
 
How far does a right wing authoritarian administration have to go, in your view, before you would agree that a state has become fascist or is on the threshold?

Fascism
"a radical authoritarian nationalism,[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and control of industry and commerce"

What are the indicators?

Hyper-nationalism. The right wing has met this criteria for some time now, and Trump has ramped it up exponentially, now demonizing Canada and Mexico. Right off the bat, Trump called for a Muslim ban. And if you haven't heard, he finally won that today.

Militarism. Trump has been relentlessly vocal about using our military to bully and punish.

Glorification of violence and readiness/encouragement to use it. From early in his campaign, Trump has encouraged violence on the press, people of opposing views, and immigrants.

"Strongman" leadership. Trump's always threatening a fight with someone he has already demonized and promised his base he would deal with in some way. He's constantly using rhetoric of "not putting up with X anymore" and the like. His fear-filled base responds as programmed. Republicans define themselves as the line of defense against this evil.

Disdain for human rights. Trump has used anti-human rights rhetoric for some time, but this week's call for undermining the constitution and doing away with due process for undocumented immigrants should be alarming to anyone paying attention. But if the last few months of "zero tolerance" policy using the traumatizing of migrant children as tool of punishment, and not as something that may sometimes be necessary in criminal matters but to be avoided whenever possible, don't faze you, I would not expect due process for foreigners would matter much to you anyway.

Attack on the press. Trump openly demonizes the press, and a state propaganda machine was already waiting for him in the form of Fox Newstainment. Far right raving wackos have moved much closer to mainstream, and Sinclair broadcasting has stepped up to offer their outlets as Trump state media.

Identification of enemies. The administration has been gathering a list of influencers in media, and Trump has been identifying "enemies" since day one, which is a list of anyone who opposes his views, and includes everyone except our actual enemies such as Russia and North Korea.

"Golden age" syndrome. Trump preys on the right's irrational sentiments about how great things were in a past time but went to shit because of all the out-groups they've been indoctrinated to hate and fear.

Theatrics. Trump's middle name. 'Nuff said.

Sexism. Also 'nuff said. He practically won the election on bragging about sexual assault.

This is not a comprehensive list. Don't forget:
  • Religion intertwined with political party
  • Corporate power strengthened and labor power weakened
  • Contempt for intellectualism and the arts
  • Crime/punishment mentality
  • Corruption and ethics violations
  • Fraudulent elections
  • Contempt for liberal democracy
(I took this list from a variety of sources. Google "steps to fascism" or similar and you'll find a plethora of sources.)


So where do you think we are on the road to fascism, and how much farther should we go before you move from hand waving to opposition?

Will you yourself or someone you care about have to be arrested unjustly before you realize that "both sides are the same" actually serves the encroaching fascism in the US?

I would add two:
Executive Orders, and it's not just the count but the content...
Stacking the Courts


and just quickly, I think the role of President is too powerful but this president he has gotten lucky to suddenly control all branches of government...so while every president may have wanted to have his party members in the courts, this one has succeeded and his party broke protocol or the law or something by refusing to confirm a good justice but instead to consolidate power which ended up in his lap. This is very very bad because of all the 5-4 rulings that would have been 4-5 rulings. And now these things support his Executive orders....which brings me to the last item:

One Party Rule

Yep. As I posted on facebook, EXPECT Pres. Umber Choad and his menagerie of Nazis and end times zealots to abuse the presidential powers upheld by SCOTUS yesterday on immigration bans. They absolutely will push that power to whatever inhumane extent their corrupt and compromised ideology inspires them, and there seems to be no bottom or limit to that.
 
Fascism is an ideology; a state of mind. “How far” is exactly as far as the thought behind the actions, however they manifest. An act need not ever be successfully implemented for it to nevertheless be fascistic.
 
Paul Ryan. You know, the guy who makes everyone in his office read Ayn Rand.

Paul Ryan as a libertarian? Seriously? You do realize that Atlas Shrugged has people in it who are supposed to be the villains of the book?

He voted Yes on TARP.
He voted YES on Economic Stimulus HR 5140
He voted YES on $15billion bailout for GM and Chrysler
He voted YES on $192billion additional anti-recession stimulus spending
He voted YES on federalizing rules for drivers licenses to hinder terrorists
He voted YES on making the USAPATRIOT Act permanent
He voted YES on allowing electronic surveillance without a warrant
He voted YES on authorizing military force in Iraq
He voted YES on emergency $78Billion for war in Iraq and Afghanistan
He voted YES on declaring Iraq part of the War on Terror with no exit date
He voted NO on reducing US troops out of Iraq starting in 90 days
He voted YES on limited prescription drug benefit for Medicare recipients
He voted YES on providing $70million on Section 8 Housing vouchers
He voted YES on extending unemployment benefits to 59 weeks
He voted YES on No Child Left Behind
He voted YES on Head Start Act

Maybe you don't realize that some of the characters were supposed to be the villains.

But he has "Paul" in his name, so of course he counts by the very loose standards around here.

Not only are libertarians consistently against war, not just when the wrong person is in office...
Not only are libertarians against the drug war...
Not only were libertarians in favor of gay marriage before the progressives were...
Not only were libertarians in favor of interracial marriage before the progressives were...
Not only do libertarians want to legalize prostitution...
Not only are libertarians even stronger in defense of the 1st Amendment...
Not only do libertarians oppose ever single instance of police abusing the people that we are aware of...
Not only do libertarians want to slash the military budget...
Not only are a super-majority of libertarians pro-choice...
Not only are libertarians opposed to business subsidies...
Not only are libertarians opposed to business bailouts...
Not only are libertarians opposed to corporate welfare...


The real gripe that conservatives and progressives have with libertarians is that libertarians won't "admit" that libertarians are conservative.

I didn't say he was a good Libertarian.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/what-ayn-rand-says-about-paul-ryan/2012/08/13/fd40d574-e56d-11e1-8741-940e3f6dbf48_blog.html?utm_term=.68191da404ab
 
It is almost like I didn't say up thread that her books also had villains. If he is inspired by Rand he must have decided to grow up to be like Wesley Mooch.

Not a good libertarian? By a sufficiently loose standard, by the Ryan standard everyone qualifies as a libertarian.
 
Fascism is an ideology; a state of mind. “How far” is exactly as far as the thought behind the actions, however they manifest. An act need not ever be successfully implemented for it to nevertheless be fascistic.

That's fascism. What about "fascist state"?
 
Fascism is an ideology; a state of mind. “How far” is exactly as far as the thought behind the actions, however they manifest. An act need not ever be successfully implemented for it to nevertheless be fascistic.

That's fascism. What about "fascist state"?

What about one? Are you asking about organizational structure? Look at what the Bush cabal did after 9/11. They orchestrated took the opportunity to consolidate all governmental power in the Oval and the Pentagon, effectively bypassing (and thereby destroying) the traditional "separation of powers" between the Legislative, Executive and Judicial AND bypassed the Constitution with the AUMF. It was so masterfully done, in fact, that it remains in place today in spite of Obama's many attempts to unfuck it.

The fourth estate (press) have been the last piece in that puzzle and have been under attack since they "lost" us Vietnam in the minds of many and while Faux News and Breitbart and Alex Jones etal were building their audiences, the fourth estate has finally been sufficiently sidelined or otherwise rendered ineffective with the Trump occupation, which is likewise a "fascist state" condition.

The militarization of the police has already been completed under Reagan with the still ongoing phony "war on drugs" and now ICE stormtroopers. The destruction (or erosion of confidence) in the "Intelligence" community has been effectively implemented in a depressingly large segment of America and the death of white supremacy has fueled much if not all of what we're seeing.

So we have all of the trappings of a fascist state--or at the very least an authoritarian one--already entrenched; dormant if you will, waiting for full activation, which we are certainly seeing signs/attempts of with Trump. The fucker has repeatedly made references to his own supremacy and authoritarian desires that just keep getting deflected as "jokes" or "locker room talk" or any other of a number of "this can't be what he really means" assertions by people who can't possibly know what he really means.

It is unquestionable that Trump is a puppet of Russia, whether directly or indirectly. Literally every single thing he has done benefits Russia (and, less so, but still prominently, Russia's new trade partner, China) while at the same time destroying America, both domestically and internationally.

He is torching the place in the guise of building a bright bonfire to light the way for the righteous and they are either profiting off it or too fucking stupid to see that's what's going on. But he is destroying it and profiting off its destruction while at the same time fomenting a condition of restructuring/rebuilding that will either be positive if the Dems manage to take back control or radically fascistic if Trump manages to win a second term. Destroy it today and you have no choice but to take radical action to rebuild it tomorrow. These trade wars will cripple us if they are allowed to continue. America will look like Detroit in the nineties and if that happens, no one will give a shit about jackboots and stormtroopers because they're be needed to stop the food and water wars we'll be entrenched in.

So, I really don't see what the point is in trying to nail down a concrete, unwaveable definition of what is or is not a "fascist state" and then try to compare the two to see whether or not we qualify. If there is a leader acting in a fascistic manner then you are living in a fascist state. It has nothing to do with what Mussolini or Hitler did or did not establish. Again, it's an ideology; a philosophy; a state of mind that drives a leader's actions, regardless of the bureaucratic structure that may be in their way and/or normally act as a failsafe.

A perfect example of what I mean is the current immigration atrocities. The intent of Sessions/Trump/Etal is to purify the race (i.e., reverse the death of white supremacy through miscegenation that has steadily eroded the white power structure and is basically on course to expire in this decade as "minority" birth rates and immigration policies surpass white birth rates). That is the real reason behind the "zero tolerance" and detention camps, but the fascists are in a structure where they could not just openly send in the jackboots; they first had to work the system to their favor.

It was easily done and gives all the appearance of following the "rule of law," but of course is just as terrifying as what the Nazis did to the Jews and Gypsies and mentally and physically infirm, etc.

So do you look at the structure of America and the fact that we have elections that will (hopefully) correct all of that and say, "See, we're not a fascist state"? I don't see what that gets you. It doesn't fix anything. It doesn't change the ptsd in thousands of children that are right now indefinitely imprisoned and separated from their families (and by some accounts being abused in other much more horrific manners).

To each and every one of those children (and their families and friends), they are all the victims of fascism in the guise of the "rule of law," but it is without question fascistic. We know this because literally every single argument that has ever been made in favor of these actions is false or deliberately misleading. Undocumented immigrants are overwhelmingly positive and provide nothing but a net benefit to our economy and society. We are a nation stolen founded on undocumented immigrants.

The very delineation of "documented" or "undocumented" is utterly meaningless. It's a bureaucratic bullshit process that means nothing, tells us nothing and changes nothing. It has never mattered one iota whether or not you have an official piece of paper with a stamp on it. We just made that shit up as a means to limit and control; a pretense to harass and politicize.

So, yeah, again, I see no difference between fascism and a "fascist state." Call it "fascist state of mind" and you're done. And yes, most definitely, the Trump occupation is a fascist state of mind regardless of the fact that it will shortly end. Hopefully MUCH more shortly than via election.
 
Jason, you are yet again missing the point to nurse pet peeves. None of those things amounts to right wing authoritarianism on the left.

Oh, that's very clever. The circular logic embedded in your response is quite impressive.

Fascism = right-wing authoritarianism... therefore, anything done by the left, regardless of how closely it resembles the actions of an authoritarian or fascist party, cannot... by the selected definition... qualify.

This is tantamount to defining racism in such a way that only white people are capable of being racist, and that any other ethnicity cannot be considered racist, no matter how blatantly discriminatory and hateful their views toward other races. Or like defining sexism as something that only men are capable of engaging in, so that no woman can be considered a sexist regardless of how obviously she discriminates against men and expresses hate and vitriol for them on the basis of their sex.
 
Any nation where its citizens are too afraid to publicly compare their leader to Hitler is a fascist state. It seems absurd at a first glace, but think about it for a bit.
That's reassuring. Given the massive amount of citizens, editorial writers, journalists, and political cartoonists comparing Trump to Hitler on a fairly regular basis, I conclude that we are very, very ,very far from being a fascist state :dancing:
 
I don't really like Canadian weather, but I like their people and civilization... I am already regretting having so many things rooting me to the US.

Is it time for another article on moving to Canada and how easy it is? So many OTUS seem to think it is something they can just do on a whim and that they have special applicant status for Canadian citizenship or permanent residency. They don't. They can visit, sure, but to live here, and especially to work here isn't so quick and easy. It will likely be the end of Trump's second term (if he gets one) before you get your PR card much less citizenship.
Not me! I looked into it. They estimated that with my background and education, I'd have about a 3 week path to permanent immigration in Canada :).

My spouse, however, they have no use for whatsoever.
 
Any nation where its citizens are too afraid to publicly compare their leader to Hitler is a fascist state. It seems absurd at a first glace, but think about it for a bit.
That's reassuring. Given the massive amount of citizens, editorial writers, journalists, and political cartoonists comparing Trump to Hitler on a fairly regular basis, I conclude that we are very, very ,very far from being a fascist state :dancing:

Compare and contrast 2 stories on my yahoo news feed:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ny-daily-news-shreds-apos-062515163.html

https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/56c1f105-cc99-39e3-b3ef-fb87bb7dac74/ss_as-it-slides-toward.html
 
Jason, you are yet again missing the point to nurse pet peeves. None of those things amounts to right wing authoritarianism on the left.

Oh, that's very clever. The circular logic embedded in your response is quite impressive.

Fascism = right-wing authoritarianism... therefore, anything done by the left, regardless of how closely it resembles the actions of an authoritarian or fascist party, cannot... by the selected definition... qualify.

This is tantamount to defining racism in such a way that only white people are capable of being racist, and that any other ethnicity cannot be considered racist, no matter how blatantly discriminatory and hateful their views toward other races. Or like defining sexism as something that only men are capable of engaging in, so that no woman can be considered a sexist regardless of how obviously she discriminates against men and expresses hate and vitriol for them on the basis of their sex.

No, fascism is fascism.

Randomly accusing other people of your own flaws doesn't make your accusations true, nor does it make the accusations against you false.

If you don't like being accused of being fascist, maybe don't do fascist things? Nah, it's easier to just call out the Republican Umbrage Brigade and make "but both sides" excuses.
 
Fascism is an ideology; a state of mind. “How far” is exactly as far as the thought behind the actions, however they manifest. An act need not ever be successfully implemented for it to nevertheless be fascistic.

That's fascism. What about "fascist state"?

What about one? Are you asking about organizational structure? Look at what the Bush cabal did after 9/11. They orchestrated took the opportunity to consolidate all governmental power in the Oval and the Pentagon, effectively bypassing (and thereby destroying) the traditional "separation of powers" between the Legislative, Executive and Judicial AND bypassed the Constitution with the AUMF. It was so masterfully done, in fact, that it remains in place today in spite of Obama's many attempts to unfuck it.

The fourth estate (press) have been the last piece in that puzzle and have been under attack since they "lost" us Vietnam in the minds of many and while Faux News and Breitbart and Alex Jones etal were building their audiences, the fourth estate has finally been sufficiently sidelined or otherwise rendered ineffective with the Trump occupation, which is likewise a "fascist state" condition.

The militarization of the police has already been completed under Reagan with the still ongoing phony "war on drugs" and now ICE stormtroopers. The destruction (or erosion of confidence) in the "Intelligence" community has been effectively implemented in a depressingly large segment of America and the death of white supremacy has fueled much if not all of what we're seeing.

So we have all of the trappings of a fascist state--or at the very least an authoritarian one--already entrenched; dormant if you will, waiting for full activation, which we are certainly seeing signs/attempts of with Trump. The fucker has repeatedly made references to his own supremacy and authoritarian desires that just keep getting deflected as "jokes" or "locker room talk" or any other of a number of "this can't be what he really means" assertions by people who can't possibly know what he really means.

It is unquestionable that Trump is a puppet of Russia, whether directly or indirectly. Literally every single thing he has done benefits Russia (and, less so, but still prominently, Russia's new trade partner, China) while at the same time destroying America, both domestically and internationally.

He is torching the place in the guise of building a bright bonfire to light the way for the righteous and they are either profiting off it or too fucking stupid to see that's what's going on. But he is destroying it and profiting off its destruction while at the same time fomenting a condition of restructuring/rebuilding that will either be positive if the Dems manage to take back control or radically fascistic if Trump manages to win a second term. Destroy it today and you have no choice but to take radical action to rebuild it tomorrow. These trade wars will cripple us if they are allowed to continue. America will look like Detroit in the nineties and if that happens, no one will give a shit about jackboots and stormtroopers because they're be needed to stop the food and water wars we'll be entrenched in.

So, I really don't see what the point is in trying to nail down a concrete, unwaveable definition of what is or is not a "fascist state" and then try to compare the two to see whether or not we qualify. If there is a leader acting in a fascistic manner then you are living in a fascist state. It has nothing to do with what Mussolini or Hitler did or did not establish. Again, it's an ideology; a philosophy; a state of mind that drives a leader's actions, regardless of the bureaucratic structure that may be in their way and/or normally act as a failsafe.

A perfect example of what I mean is the current immigration atrocities. The intent of Sessions/Trump/Etal is to purify the race (i.e., reverse the death of white supremacy through miscegenation that has steadily eroded the white power structure and is basically on course to expire in this decade as "minority" birth rates and immigration policies surpass white birth rates). That is the real reason behind the "zero tolerance" and detention camps, but the fascists are in a structure where they could not just openly send in the jackboots; they first had to work the system to their favor.

It was easily done and gives all the appearance of following the "rule of law," but of course is just as terrifying as what the Nazis did to the Jews and Gypsies and mentally and physically infirm, etc.

So do you look at the structure of America and the fact that we have elections that will (hopefully) correct all of that and say, "See, we're not a fascist state"? I don't see what that gets you. It doesn't fix anything. It doesn't change the ptsd in thousands of children that are right now indefinitely imprisoned and separated from their families (and by some accounts being abused in other much more horrific manners).

To each and every one of those children (and their families and friends), they are all the victims of fascism in the guise of the "rule of law," but it is without question fascistic. We know this because literally every single argument that has ever been made in favor of these actions is false or deliberately misleading. Undocumented immigrants are overwhelmingly positive and provide nothing but a net benefit to our economy and society. We are a nation stolen founded on undocumented immigrants.

The very delineation of "documented" or "undocumented" is utterly meaningless. It's a bureaucratic bullshit process that means nothing, tells us nothing and changes nothing. It has never mattered one iota whether or not you have an official piece of paper with a stamp on it. We just made that shit up as a means to limit and control; a pretense to harass and politicize.

So, yeah, again, I see no difference between fascism and a "fascist state." Call it "fascist state of mind" and you're done. And yes, most definitely, the Trump occupation is a fascist state of mind regardless of the fact that it will shortly end. Hopefully MUCH more shortly than via election.

Well said. America has been fascist for a while. The only reason people have trouble admitting it is because conservolibertarians keep getting their panties in a bunch and getting offended whenever someone tries to point out what it is they've been doing for decades.

We're either already fascist or rapidly falling into fascism, and everyone seems to be more worried about protecting the feelings of the fascists. It's like we've become a nation of Neville Chamberlains who think that if we can just appease the Republicans enough, they'll magically stop pushing for more fascism.

They won't stop until we start calling a spade a spade. They might not even stop then, but they sure as fuck won't stop if we keep avoiding the F-word around them as if not naming the thing that is happening will mean that it's not happening.
 
Jason, you are yet again missing the point to nurse pet peeves. None of those things amounts to right wing authoritarianism on the left.

Oh, that's very clever. The circular logic embedded in your response is quite impressive.

Fascism = right-wing authoritarianism... therefore, anything done by the left, regardless of how closely it resembles the actions of an authoritarian or fascist party, cannot... by the selected definition... qualify.

This is tantamount to defining racism in such a way that only white people are capable of being racist, and that any other ethnicity cannot be considered racist, no matter how blatantly discriminatory and hateful their views toward other races. Or like defining sexism as something that only men are capable of engaging in, so that no woman can be considered a sexist regardless of how obviously she discriminates against men and expresses hate and vitriol for them on the basis of their sex.

It's research, not opinion. Read the link in my sig. It's not even about authoritarian so-called leaders. It's about the millions of people who support them. The traits of right wing authoritarian followers are pretty clearly laid out.

  • Submission to authority (as opposed to developing a conscience, which requires the sin of questioning)
  • Scapegoating of outgroups (they always target the most vulnerable, the easy targets)
  • Willingness to support inhumane treatment of their outgroups and often committing abusive acts themselves
  • Allowing the authority figure(s) to identify outgroups
  • Diminished sense of empathy
  • Adherence to whatever they think is "tradition"
  • Insistence on conformity to their ideology and punishing nonconformity
  • Fear of change, fear of Other, fear of everygoddamnthing beyond the end of their own noses
  • Closed, narrow view of the world

When asked if they would support punishment of an unnamed authoritarian group described with the traits above, the right wing authoritarians themselves said yes. They're even scared of their own group if it's not clearly identified as their own.

The research also shows that RWAs will not read past the first sentence of the book or of anything that appears to be critical.

This is not black and white, of course. EVERY human being has the capacity for these traits and reactions. A moderately authoritarian personality might gain some insight and actually seek to change their way of thinking, but that is difficult if their family and community serve to constantly reinforce the underlying fear and prejudices, which run the show for RWAs, while also discouraging intellectual honesty.

Meanwhile, millions of them operate under this mentality and in conditions that have for 30 years or more led up to exactly what we see in the US right now - a crude, simpleton con man trashing the most powerful office in our land and bombarding his right wing authoritarian followers with all the most effective dog whistles. At this point, they are a sea of Manchurian candidates, helpless to do anything else but respond as programmed by fear and Fox Newstainment.
 
Jason, you are yet again missing the point to nurse pet peeves. None of those things amounts to right wing authoritarianism on the left.

Oh, that's very clever. The circular logic embedded in your response is quite impressive.

Fascism = right-wing authoritarianism... therefore, anything done by the left, regardless of how closely it resembles the actions of an authoritarian or fascist party, cannot... by the selected definition... qualify.

This is tantamount to defining racism in such a way that only white people are capable of being racist, and that any other ethnicity cannot be considered racist, no matter how blatantly discriminatory and hateful their views toward other races. Or like defining sexism as something that only men are capable of engaging in, so that no woman can be considered a sexist regardless of how obviously she discriminates against men and expresses hate and vitriol for them on the basis of their sex.

It's research, not opinion. Read the link in my sig. It's not even about authoritarian so-called leaders. It's about the millions of people who support them. The traits of right wing authoritarian followers are pretty clearly laid out.

  • Submission to authority (as opposed to developing a conscience, which requires the sin of questioning)
  • Scapegoating of outgroups (they always target the most vulnerable, the easy targets)
  • Willingness to support inhumane treatment of their outgroups and often committing abusive acts themselves
  • Allowing the authority figure(s) to identify outgroups
  • Diminished sense of empathy
  • Adherence to whatever they think is "tradition"
  • Insistence on conformity to their ideology and punishing nonconformity
  • Fear of change, fear of Other, fear of everygoddamnthing beyond the end of their own noses
  • Closed, narrow view of the world

When asked if they would support punishment of an unnamed authoritarian group described with the traits above, the right wing authoritarians themselves said yes. They're even scared of their own group if it's not clearly identified as their own.

The research also shows that RWAs will not read past the first sentence of the book or of anything that appears to be critical.

This is not black and white, of course. EVERY human being has the capacity for these traits and reactions. A moderately authoritarian personality might gain some insight and actually seek to change their way of thinking, but that is difficult if their family and community serve to constantly reinforce the underlying fear and prejudices, which run the show for RWAs, while also discouraging intellectual honesty.

Meanwhile, millions of them operate under this mentality and in conditions that have for 30 years or more led up to exactly what we see in the US right now - a crude, simpleton con man trashing the most powerful office in our land and bombarding his right wing authoritarian followers with all the most effective dog whistles. At this point, they are a sea of Manchurian candidates, helpless to do anything else but respond as programmed by fear and Fox Newstainment.

This is precisely why right wing propaganda outlets spend so much time accusing liberals of being fascist. It doesn't matter if it's true, what matters is that people like Emily will get emotional when people use facts to point out that the opposite is true.

Whether or not it's true or false becomes irrelevant once her defensive feelings are triggered. That's kind of the basis of a lot of right wing propaganda.
 
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