Where's the Bernie Bump?

[Elixir]

Bernie in the 2016 N.H. primary: a 60% win.

There is a big difference between a two person race and one with over half a dozen major candidates.

Yup. Eventually either Bernie or Liz will drop out and the other will inherit most or all of their delegates. That would represent 44% in Iowa and 34% in NH, even with the rest of the field still intact (which it won't be).

 

[Toni]

Interestingly enough, the fact that they may acknowledge that they are women in the course of discussing their policy plans—in detail—counts as ‘identity politics’ to you.

Well now that I think of it, that’s hardly interesting or surprising.

Its also a total strawman by you. They are not merely ackowledging their gender in the course of discussing policy. They are attempting to play a victim card in order to attract votes, instead of talking policy. I don't care what their gender is. Nobody should when voting. It isn't a plus or a minus.

Obviously you’ve never listened to Warren or Klobuchar. Maybe their feminine voices transverse the air waves at a too feminine frequency for your ears to hear? Or maybe it’s all that pink glitter ink used in outlining their policies and plans?

Maybe I have no idea what I’m talking about when I point out rampant misogyny in politics, especially among arm chair politicos.

This isn’t my by line but I could have written every word —except for the part about Gillibrand:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/life...um=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most

 

[Derec]

Obviously you’ve never listened to Warren or Klobuchar. Maybe their feminine voices transverse the air waves at a too feminine frequency for your ears to hear? Or maybe it’s all that pink glitter ink used in outlining their policies and plans?

Warren especially has played the woman card lately. Take the kerfuffle with Bernie at the debate, or the claim that she and Klob, being women, are far more electable then the men on stage. And then there is her campaign making a big deal of appointing all-female campaign co-chairs.

Warren hasn't started out that way, but she is taking more and more pages out of Hillary's playbook, which is a shame.

Maybe I have no idea what I’m talking about when I point out rampant misogyny in politics, especially among arm chair politicos.

I think you are probably right about having no idea what you are talking about. Criticizing a presidential candidate for playing the gender card is not "misogyny".

This isn’t my by line but I could have written every word —except for the part about Gillibrand:

That doesn't surprise me. You and the author are very alike - you both think that if one doesn't like a female Democrat they must be "misogynist." Except that you carve out an exception for Gillibrand, who, I admit, is pretty bad.

P.S.: I did not expect Pvt. Ayanna Pressley to go full Lex Luthor on us.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Maybe I have no idea what I’m talking about

That would explain a lot.

 

[Toni]

Warren especially has played the woman card lately. Take the kerfuffle with Bernie at the debate, or the claim that she and Klob, being women, are far more electable then the men on stage. And then there is her campaign making a big deal of appointing all-female campaign co-chairs.
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Warren hasn't started out that way, but she is taking more and more pages out of Hillary's playbook, which is a shame.


I think you are probably right about having no idea what you are talking about. Criticizing a presidential candidate for playing the gender card is not "misogyny".

This isn’t my by line but I could have written every word —except for the part about Gillibrand:

That doesn't surprise me. You and the author are very alike - you both think that if one doesn't like a female Democrat they must be "misogynist." Except that you carve out an exception for Gillibrand, who, I admit, is pretty bad.

P.S.: I did not expect Pvt. Ayanna Pressley to go full Lex Luthor on us.

I guess it was really playing the gender card to point out that only Warren and Klobuchar had never lost an election in the past 30 years and then to patiently watch Sanders screw up his math on public television.

The arguments against female candidates are not about their records or policy positions nearly so often as they are about their too shrill or too strident tones or their hair or the number of children they decided to have or how much they spend on their wardrobe or why doesn’t she dress nicer, etc.

Of course that’s not misogyny. At all. It’s just that none of that ever seems very important if the candidate has a dick,

 

[Toni]

Maybe I have no idea what I’m talking about

That would explain a lot.

I am, however, quite confident that however little I know about the American political system, I
am confident that the base of my knowledge and grasp of facts is greater than yours by several orders of magnitude.

I’m pretty sure I’m at least as well acquainted with sexism and misogyny albeit from different sides of the fence.

 

[Derec]

I guess it was really playing the gender card to point out that only Warren and Klobuchar had never lost an election in the past 30 years

That was such a weird argument. MA is one of the most competitive states in the Union, so it's hardly an accomplishment to win two out of two races there.

and then to patiently watch Sanders screw up his math on public television.

You mean the 1991 thing? To try to make hay of that was so petty of Warren.

The arguments against female candidates are not about their records or policy positions nearly so often as they are about their too shrill or too strident tones

Bernie has also been criticized for his strident tone. Why is it "misogyny" to criticize female politicos using same criteria as male ones?

or their hair or the number of children they decided to have or how much they spend on their wardrobe or why doesn’t she dress nicer, etc.

People have criticized Bernie's wild hair as well as some other politicians (John Kerry, John Edwards) spending ridiculous amounts on hair cuts. When a photo of Bernie shopping at Ross surfaced recently, I saw criticism that a presidential candidate should dress better than that. Tom Steyer's tie was also criticized, as was Andy Yang going open collar. And for the record, Huckabee's and Christie's horizontal challenges have also been subject to ridicule.
Again, you assume "misogyny" when a female candidate is judged by same standards as a male one. Why is commenting on a male politicians' appearance ok, but commenting on a female's politicians' appearance is "misogyny"?

Of course that’s not misogyny. At all. It’s just that none of that ever seems very important if the candidate has a dick,

Bullshit. You just choose to ignore it because it doesn't fit your prejudices.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

I guess it was really playing the gender card to point out that only Warren and Klobuchar had never lost an election in the past 30 years and then to patiently watch Sanders screw up his math on public television.

Klobuchar tries to downplay Pete by saying he couldn't have gotten far if he was a woman. Warren plays along with the "Bernie said a woman can't win" thing, and the moderator actually completely ignores Bernie's denial of having said that. They both frequently play on "people thin a woman can't win" trope while nobody else brings that up or tries to hold their gender against them on the stage. Its THEM who raise this, and it is obvious why they do.

The arguments against female candidates are not about their records or policy positions nearly so often as they are about their too shrill or too strident tones or their hair or the number of children they decided to have or how much they spend on their wardrobe or why doesn’t she dress nicer, etc.

THAT may be misogyny (and only if the same tone etc wouldn't be criticized if they were male; lets not pretend men don't get criticized for the same, including Biden and Trump himself). But noting them playing the gender card is not misogyny.

And that said, I've seen PLENTY of people commenting on both Warren and Klobuchar for their policy positions (Warren) and lack thereof (Klobuchar). There is a giant gulf between the two of them as well and that has been noted frequently.

Of course that’s not misogyny. At all. It’s just that none of that ever seems very important if the candidate has a dick,

Its more like you don't notice it then. Trump is mocked daily for his tone, orange spray on tan, dead rat on his head hair. Biden is repeatedly being said to be going senile. Bernie is criticized frequently by YOU on this very board for his shouty tone.

Why are "Bernie Bros" so meeeeean? And why is it when Hillary said much worse of Bernie and her supporters were just as nasty and Clintoncrats still are, that's just fine and not at all the same?

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

I am, however, quite confident that however little I know about the American political system, I am confident that the base of my knowledge and grasp of facts is greater than yours by several orders of magnitude.

I don't claim to know a whole lot about it, and yet, I'm not convinced you know more. You keep alleging that I know little because I don't live there, but you've never managed to show yourself to know much at all.

I’m pretty sure I’m at least as well acquainted with sexism and misogyny albeit from different sides of the fence.

You are no expert on anything.

 

[Half-Life]

What scares me about the Bernie Bros' is that when someone makes a claim such as, "Bernie said a woman can't win President" they say, "BERNIE NEVER SAID THAT!!!!" as if Bernie is some god that can never do any wrong. He got kicked out of a commune in 1970 for refusing to contribute anything to it and the Bernie Bros. defend him for that. He voted for wars and signed controversial bills and the Bernie Bros' defend him for that.

The ironic thing is that they claim to hate Trump supporters who say Trump can do no wrong, then they do the same thing with Bernie. It certainly is comical.

https://freebeacon.com/politics/bernie-sanders-asked-leave-hippie-commune/
"Bernie Sanders was asked to leave a hippie commune in 1971 for "sitting around and talking" about politics instead of working, according to a forthcoming book."

 

[Toni]

I am, however, quite confident that however little I know about the American political system, I am confident that the base of my knowledge and grasp of facts is greater than yours by several orders of magnitude.

I don't claim to know a whole lot about it, and yet, I'm not convinced you know more. You keep alleging that I know little because I don't live there, but you've never managed to show yourself to know much at all.

I’m pretty sure I’m at least as well acquainted with sexism and misogyny albeit from different sides of the fence.

You are no expert on anything.

Sorry I touched a nerve, there.

 

[laughing dog]

https://freebeacon.com/politics/bernie-sanders-asked-leave-hippie-commune/
"Bernie Sanders was asked to leave a hippie commune in 1971 for "sitting around and talking" about politics instead of working, according to a forthcoming book."

I am no fan of Mr Sanders, but who cares about one extremely trivial incident from almost 50 years ago.

 

[Half-Life]

https://freebeacon.com/politics/bernie-sanders-asked-leave-hippie-commune/
"Bernie Sanders was asked to leave a hippie commune in 1971 for "sitting around and talking" about politics instead of working, according to a forthcoming book."

I am no fan of Mr Sanders, but who cares about one extremely trivial incident from almost 50 years ago.

How is that trivial? It shows that he couldn't even hack it at a HIPPIE COMMUNE! He's been a senator since 1981 and his biggest accomplishment was renaming a post office.

When will the Bernie Bros. wake up? He's a lazy communist. Nothing more.

 

[Toni]

https://freebeacon.com/politics/bernie-sanders-asked-leave-hippie-commune/
"Bernie Sanders was asked to leave a hippie commune in 1971 for "sitting around and talking" about politics instead of working, according to a forthcoming book."

I am no fan of Mr Sanders, but who cares about one extremely trivial incident from almost 50 years ago.

True but I’ve heard him referred to as a dead beat dad numerous times and there have been references to his lack of employment history outside of serving in various political offices. This is just another angle to that story. Basically Sanders is seen as a front runner so people will try to dig up whatever muck they can on him.

 

[Politesse]

Sanders wasn't cheated. He lost because more voters chose Clinton.

Didn't say he was cheated. Said he was shanked.

I didn't say it was unfair, I said he was stabbed. ???

Sanders was allowed to run in the Democrat primary... that ain't being "shanked" when he wasn't even a Democrat. And I voted for him in the Ohio Primary. He was allowed to do debates. Sanders outperformed in the primary even more than can be expressed. And in the end, didn't outperform the woman who's pretty much had been laying the groundwork for a Presidential run 15 years earlier, but still got a good deal of his platform onto the Party's (of which he still wasn't a member) platform.

So enough of the shank bullshit!

You don't you might be, you know, overreacting a bit? How you read "he got shanked in the ass" and concluded "this person is making a nuanced political point and/or legal accusation that must be refuted in exhaustive detail" is beyond me.

My point is that whether true or false, the widespread perception that Bernie was doxxed by his own team specifically because he was advocating for debt relief and medical access is probably not helping to excite the same young people to try again using the same methods, resulting in reduced participation in the next election. If the DNC is vehemently unwilling to prioritize the concerns of Gen Z, that makes a certain amount of numerical sense. For a while. Presuming they aren't worried about what will happen down the road when those disaffected youths grow up and become active voters. There's no point in asking a question like "where is the Bernie Bump?" if the answer's just going to make you angry.

Moral: you can reap the benefits of a candidate who is popular with the kids. And you can decide that's a terrible idea and try to undercut him however possible. But you probably can't do both of those things at the same time, even if there was nothing at all illicit about your means of doing so. If you kill the bump, the bump won't come. This seems pretty obvious to me.

You could look for another bump, I suppose. There's still plenty of boomers around instead, maybe you can get them excited. Ride your hired billionaire around and see if riled up middle-aged folks throng the streets with signs and stuff to sing the ballad of Bloomberg in glorious two part harmony. We can call it the Baby Bump.

 

[laughing dog]

https://freebeacon.com/politics/bernie-sanders-asked-leave-hippie-commune/
"Bernie Sanders was asked to leave a hippie commune in 1971 for "sitting around and talking" about politics instead of working, according to a forthcoming book."

I am no fan of Mr Sanders, but who cares about one extremely trivial incident from almost 50 years ago.

How is that trivial? It shows that he couldn't even hack it at a HIPPIE COMMUNE! He's been a senator since 1981 and his biggest accomplishment was renaming a post office.

First, it was 50 years ago-people can change a lot over 50 years ago.

Second, it was a disagreement over work in a commune.

 

[Keith&Co.]

What scares me about the Bernie Bros' is that when someone makes a claim such as, "Bernie said a woman can't win President" they say, "BERNIE NEVER SAID THAT!!!!" as if Bernie is some god that can never do any wrong. He got kicked out of a commune in 1970 for refusing to contribute anything to it and the Bernie Bros. defend him for that. He voted for wars and signed controversial bills and the Bernie Bros' defend him for that.

The ironic thing is that they claim to hate Trump supporters who say Trump can do no wrong, then they do the same thing with Bernie. It certainly is comical.

https://freebeacon.com/politics/bernie-sanders-asked-leave-hippie-commune/
"Bernie Sanders was asked to leave a hippie commune in 1971 for "sitting around and talking" about politics instead of working, according to a forthcoming book."

...says the guy who didn't know Stone was found guilty of threatening a witness.

 

[Half-Life]

What scares me about the Bernie Bros' is that when someone makes a claim such as, "Bernie said a woman can't win President" they say, "BERNIE NEVER SAID THAT!!!!" as if Bernie is some god that can never do any wrong. He got kicked out of a commune in 1970 for refusing to contribute anything to it and the Bernie Bros. defend him for that. He voted for wars and signed controversial bills and the Bernie Bros' defend him for that.

The ironic thing is that they claim to hate Trump supporters who say Trump can do no wrong, then they do the same thing with Bernie. It certainly is comical.

https://freebeacon.com/politics/bernie-sanders-asked-leave-hippie-commune/
"Bernie Sanders was asked to leave a hippie commune in 1971 for "sitting around and talking" about politics instead of working, according to a forthcoming book."

...says the guy who didn't know Stone was found guilty of threatening a witness.

This would be a derail, Keith. But, Andrew McCabe was found to have lied to the FBI...he's not being charged. Pretty sick stuff, right Keith?

 

[ZiprHead]

He got kicked out of a commune in 1970 for refusing to contribute anything to it and the Bernie Bros. defend him for that.

As well they should.

You're only telling half the story. Sanders wasn't a member of the commune. He was working as a reporter interviewing members of the commune. He was asked to leave because members wanted to spend more time discussing politics with Sanders than doing their duties.

I saw conservatives pushing a story that once "Bernie got kicked out of a socialist commune for being too lazy." Intrigued by this I looked it up

 

[Half-Life]

He got kicked out of a commune in 1970 for refusing to contribute anything to it and the Bernie Bros. defend him for that.

As well they should.

You're only telling half the story. Sanders wasn't a member of the commune. He was working as a reporter interviewing members of the commune. He was asked to leave because members wanted to spend more time discussing politics with Sanders than doing their duties.

I saw conservatives pushing a story that once "Bernie got kicked out of a socialist commune for being too lazy." Intrigued by this I looked it up

There's no sources in that thread! You can't be serious....

Sounds to me like "Bernie can do no wrong" defense.