Who will win the Democratic nomination for president?

[Jason Harvestdancer]

They're not the only ones guilty of blurring the lines. It has been a bipartisan effort. Then again, this is the politics sub-forum where we are supposed to use the terminology more correctly than the average person. It is akin in a way to the scientific versus colloquial usages of the word "theory". To the common person theory means "good guess" and socialism means "welfare state". To the person who is knowledgeable in the field theory means "a well supported explanation of the evidence with predictive power" and socialism means "collective ownership of the means of production."

Where you you fall on this? To me you sound like a creationist trying to explain to a scientist what "theory" means.

If your arguments are so esoteric they require excessively precise definitions of commonly used words in order to be relevant, then they are pretty piss-weak arguments.

Jason needs to take his case to the republicans whose habit it has long been to call any policy or program they don't like "socialism".

And also to democrats who used the term for policies or programs they do like. Which I do for both sides.

Your excuse of "they do it so therefore I can do it" is very piss-weak.

 

[Elixir]

And also to democrats who used the term for policies or programs they do like. Which I do for both sides.

Provide some examples of you doing that "for both sides" and I will readily concede whatever argument you are making and apologize for my abuse of the English language.
I'll wait right here.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

And also to democrats who used the term for policies or programs they do like. Which I do for both sides.

Your excuse of "they do it so therefore I can do it" is very piss-weak.

Provide some examples of you doing that "for both sides" and I will readily concede whatever argument you are making and apologize for my abuse of the English language.
I'll wait right here.

Sure, this board is full of Republicans to support your piss-weak argument. Those on this board who might be considered "on the right" (except for Half-life and he is a Poe - you don't need to be a seer to see under his act) all use the term correctly, making me wonder who are the right wingers are that you are using as support.

 

[Elixir]

Sure, this board is full of Republicans to support your piss-weak argument. Those on this board who might be considered "on the right" (except for Half-life and he is a Poe - you don't need to be a seer to see under his act) all use the term correctly, making me wonder who are the right wingers are that you are using as support.

TRANSLATION: "I can't provide any actual examples of me calling out republicans for abuse of the word "socialist", but I can piss and moan ad nauseum!"

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Sure, this board is full of Republicans to support your piss-weak argument. Those on this board who might be considered "on the right" (except for Half-life and he is a Poe - you don't need to be a seer to see under his act) all use the term correctly, making me wonder who are the right wingers are that you are using as support.

TRANSLATION: "my saying Republicans on this board is false, as even a cursory examination will show, so I will continue to act like them doing it means I can do it!"

FIFY

 

[Elixir]

"my saying Republicans on this board is false..."

Talk about mangling the language... incoherence is not your friend, dude.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

"my saying Republicans on this board is false..."

Talk about mangling the language... incoherence is not your friend, dude.

I am still the student, you are the master.

 

[southernhybrid]

So, getting back on topic......Right now, it looks as if Biden may be the nominee, as he has risen in the latest poll. He's in a 3 way tie with Bernie and Buttigieg. It's till too early to know for sure, but Warren is gradually falling back, and Biden is gaining steam again. Considering all the criticism of his gaffes, Trump's attacks and conspiracy theories about him, as well as his "baggage", and age, ya gotta give the guy some credit even if you don't like him.

I think the fact that unlike our current thing in the WH, Biden has lots of foreign policy experience and was respected by our allies, or maybe after Trump, I should call them our former allies.

Some think that Amy K will keep moving up, but I'm not convinced of that.

Imo, the more progressive voters should be more concerned about who can win in the House and the Senate a very progressive president isn't going to get much done unless Congress is on the same page. We will be fortunate if we can even win a majority in the Senate.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

So, getting back on topic......Right now, it looks as if Biden may be the nominee, as he has risen in the latest poll. He's in a 3 way tie with Bernie and Buttigieg. It's till too early to know for sure, but Warren is gradually falling back, and Biden is gaining steam again. Considering all the criticism of his gaffes, Trump's attacks and conspiracy theories about him, as well as his "baggage", and age, ya gotta give the guy some credit even if you don't like him.

I think the fact that unlike our current thing in the WH, Biden has lots of foreign policy experience and was respected by our allies, or maybe after Trump, I should call them our former allies.

Some think that Amy K will keep moving up, but I'm not convinced of that.

I'm hoping for that. We need someone that isn't 80 years old in the White House. I'm hoping for swap from Warren to her.

 

[Derec]

So, getting back on topic......

Finally!

Right now, it looks as if Biden may be the nominee, as he has risen in the latest poll. He's in a 3 way tie with Bernie and Buttigieg. It's till too early to know for sure, but Warren is gradually falling back, and Biden is gaining steam again. Considering all the criticism of his gaffes, Trump's attacks and conspiracy theories about him, as well as his "baggage", and age, ya gotta give the guy some credit even if you don't like him.

Specifically, the three-way tie is the Iowa poll. It shows the 3 Bs all at 23%. Warren is far behind at 16%, but that's still enough for some decent delegates. The rest of the field is single digits and thus is not expected to get many, if any, delegates.
The conventional wisdom is that there are three tickets out of Iowa, which is bad news for Warren if this poll is close to actual vote. But then again, this cycle is crazy so there may be four tickets out of Iowa plus the wild card Bloomberg who has enough money to contest Super Tuesday regardless.
If Iowa ends up as close as this poll suggests, NH will be even more interesting and important.
In the latest poll Sanders is leading (27%) Biden (25%) within MOE with Warren and Buttigieg within MOE for 3rd.

I think the fact that unlike our current thing in the WH, Biden has lots of foreign policy experience and was respected by our allies, or maybe after Trump, I should call them our former allies.

Some think that Amy K will keep moving up, but I'm not convinced of that.

Unless she has a real breakout moment at the debate, or Biden or Buttigieg have a really bad night, I can't see what could happen in the next 4 weeks for her to get out of single digits and be a contender for the top 4 finish in Iowa.

Imo, the more progressive voters should be more concerned about who can win in the House and the Senate a very progressive president isn't going to get much done unless Congress is on the same page. We will be fortunate if we can even win a majority in the Senate.

Republicans are certainly defending many more Senate seats in 2020, including both Georgia seats. Here too the choice of the nominee plays a huge role. Dems may have a chance to win at least one GA seat, but probably not if many waters are scared away by Sanders or Warren being at the top of the ticket.

 

[Derec]

I'm hoping for that. We need someone that isn't 80 years old in the White House.

I agree about the 80 year olds. But I think Amy is done. She had a good debate in December, and still she is in single digits even in Iowa (she is from a neighboring state, which is normally an asset). Her fundraising, while improved, is still lagging behind most of the other credible candidates. Even Yang outraised her.

Something really major would have to happen for her to break out at this point. Remember, it is only 4 weeks until Iowa.

I'm hoping for swap from Warren to her.

Speaking of Warren, ¡Hulian! just endorsed her.
Julián Castro Endorses Elizabeth Warren, Days After Ending His Campaign

Angling for the veep spot?

 

[Derec]

New York Times endorses both Elizabeth Warren and Amy Klobuchar for president.

Opinion | Amy Klobuchar and Elizabeth Warren Are Democrats' Top Choices for President

There will be those dissatisfied that this page is not throwing its weight behind a single candidate, favoring centrists or progressives. But it’s a fight the party itself has been itching to have since Mrs. Clinton’s defeat in 2016, and one that should be played out in the public arena and in the privacy of the voting booth. That’s the very purpose of primaries, to test-market strategies and ideas that can galvanize and inspire the country.

Ms. Klobuchar and Ms. Warren right now are the Democrats best equipped to lead that debate.

Klobuchar and Warren are two very different candidates. So why those two? I think that the "equipment" the editorial board most had in mind when endorsing those two is their genitals.

 

[Angra Mainyu]

New York Times endorses both Elizabeth Warren and Amy Klobuchar for president.

Opinion | Amy Klobuchar and Elizabeth Warren Are Democrats' Top Choices for President

There will be those dissatisfied that this page is not throwing its weight behind a single candidate, favoring centrists or progressives. But it’s a fight the party itself has been itching to have since Mrs. Clinton’s defeat in 2016, and one that should be played out in the public arena and in the privacy of the voting booth. That’s the very purpose of primaries, to test-market strategies and ideas that can galvanize and inspire the country.

Ms. Klobuchar and Ms. Warren right now are the Democrats best equipped to lead that debate.

Klobuchar and Warren are two very different candidates. So why those two? I think that the "equipment" the editorial board most had in mind when endorsing those two is their genitals.

They say it's one for each approach - more leftist and more centrist. Of course, Klobuchar has essentially zero chances.

 

[Derec]

They say it's one for each approach - more leftist and more centrist. Of course, Klobuchar has essentially zero chances.

That's what they said, but it seems like an excuse. They "coincidentally" managed to endorse BOTH of the women who are still in the race. I wonder if it would have been a triple endorsement in Kamala was sill in.

Also, in 2016 they endorsed Hillary. Only Hillary. No "one for each approach" hedging in 2016. Hmmmm.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Yang is the best choice on everything but health care.

 

[Derec]

State of the race

Yang is the best choice on everything but health care.

Then you'll be happy to know he qualified for the post-Iowa debate.

Also, Bernie just passed Biden in PredictIt betting. Bloomberg in double digits. Warren is in high single digits with Yang. Buttigieg dropped like a rock and is now in low single digits with Hillary (‽) and Klobuchar. Crazy.

Time to buy some "nos" on Bernie? I still don't think DNC will let him win the nomination.

 

[laughing dog]

Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat. Look what has happened to the GOP when it allowed a non-Republican (Trump) get the nomination. Trump is tearing the GOP apart. I see Sanders doing the same thing.

 

[Politesse]

Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat. Look what has happened to the GOP when it allowed a non-Republican (Trump) get the nomination. Trump is tearing the GOP apart.

What are you talking about? They are more unified than ever, and abusing all the houses of government at once to award themselves trillions at everyone else's expense. The Republicans aren't the "Grand Old Party" anymore, but they're happy as clams.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

New York Times endorses both Elizabeth Warren and Amy Klobuchar for president.

Opinion | Amy Klobuchar and Elizabeth Warren Are Democrats' Top Choices for President

There will be those dissatisfied that this page is not throwing its weight behind a single candidate, favoring centrists or progressives. But it’s a fight the party itself has been itching to have since Mrs. Clinton’s defeat in 2016, and one that should be played out in the public arena and in the privacy of the voting booth. That’s the very purpose of primaries, to test-market strategies and ideas that can galvanize and inspire the country.

Ms. Klobuchar and Ms. Warren right now are the Democrats best equipped to lead that debate.

Klobuchar and Warren are two very different candidates. So why those two? I think that the "equipment" the editorial board most had in mind when endorsing those two is their genitals.

They're hedging their bets, they don't know if the corrupt centrist or the radical nutjob will win the primary, so they endorsed one of each.

The thing is, they could have covered both by endorsing Warren. She's Hillary wearing a Bernie mask.

 

[Toni]

New York Times endorses both Elizabeth Warren and Amy Klobuchar for president.

Opinion | Amy Klobuchar and Elizabeth Warren Are Democrats' Top Choices for President

There will be those dissatisfied that this page is not throwing its weight behind a single candidate, favoring centrists or progressives. But it’s a fight the party itself has been itching to have since Mrs. Clinton’s defeat in 2016, and one that should be played out in the public arena and in the privacy of the voting booth. That’s the very purpose of primaries, to test-market strategies and ideas that can galvanize and inspire the country.

Ms. Klobuchar and Ms. Warren right now are the Democrats best equipped to lead that debate.

Klobuchar and Warren are two very different candidates. So why those two? I think that the "equipment" the editorial board most had in mind when endorsing those two is their genitals.

Brains larger than egos, and a nice depth of experience. What special equipment do any of the other remaining candidates have that these two do not ? is a better question, although not one that needs to be asked because sever all know that the default qualifications, the ones that must be bested are a set of testivles and penis plus low melanin content/vast majority of ancestry originating in Europe. We’ve had exactly one successful candidate who overcame one of these to win POTUS.

Both Warren and Klobuchar are well regarded, experienced Senators who have reputations for being smart, working very hard and for working well with others to accomplish goals.

Pete may someday be a good candidate but I don’t think he’s there yet. Bernie and Biden are too old. The others lack relevant experience (so does Pete, IMO).

If you actually read the NYT piece, you will see why the Times named two candidates and why they named these two.

We know you are first and foremost interested in whether they tuck right or left and that where women are concerned gender and fuckability is all you see and all you are interested in.