their argument is that religious people are too stupid and crazy to have good evidence for what they believe, so their evidence is no evidence.
My view on the forum has been religious are no more or less crazy, stupid, illogical, and gullible than any other individuals or groups.
Soldier, please don't start debating science. You will embarrass yourself.
Within science quantitatively energy is defined in Sysrtems International the international standard for units of measure.
As you claim to be a mathematician. Energy is the capacity to do work. Work = Force * Distance. Focre = Mass * * Acceleration.
W = ʃE·dl where W is work in Neton meters, E energy in Joules, dl incremntal disntce in meters. Being the math exert you are you can solve for energy E.
or E = mc^2. Or energy stored in capacitor E = .5cv^2. Or kinetic ergy .5mv^2;
It ca seem lie smoke and mirros but it is not. Energy is a defintion as are seconds, meters, and kilograms.
What energy 'is' is a philosophical question not a scientifc one. Energy is quantitatively well defined with the units of Joules. You can resurrect the question on a thread I had on philosophy.
You are arguing like a theist. Relgion and science are the same.