Why is it only white people that are racist?

[Jimmy Higgins]

It has been sad seeing that no whites are allowed to go to college anymore.

When racism ended.[/Jimmy Higgins logic]

Nothing like the Shit Analogy Fallacy. How's about addressing the comment. The claim made was the admission policy was racist.

Knowing I would be completely wasting my time, I looked at some anyway. Here are the numbers (census source / college enrollment source):



I want to know, where is the racism here? How in the heck are white people being harmed? It looks like white enrollment in college has increased. It just hasn't increased as much as say Hispanic because of the percent population increase in 30 years.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

AA, as practiced in the United States by many Universities, is very racist.....

Your examples focus on admissions, not hiring or promotions. None of your examples in admission are racist under the traditional meaning of the word.

Do you mean that AA in the US as practiced in admissions by many Universities is unfair or prejudiced?

We focus on admissions because it's the area with the best data and thus the effects are more clear cut.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The problem is you are looking at it as A => B, therefore fixing A will fix B.

Reality is A => B => C => B => C => D. Fixing A will do noting about D even though A was necessary for D.

I read and re-read and re-read your reply to me and I think I finally have figured what the issue is. You don't understand what the letters WTF stand for.

Let me spell it out for you:
What the fuck. That's what people mean when they write WTF. What the fuck.

I have no idea what you're going on about and neither do you.

You have no idea because as with all religious fanatics you can't comprehend things which go contrary to your worldview.

What we have is racism caused cultural issues. Those cultural issues cause what we see today and routinely ascribe to discrimination because we are using garbage "research". (When you fail to control for a very obvious confounding factor your study is garbage.)

The few studies that attempt to control for socioeconomic status almost inevitably find that the supposed racism is actually just that blacks are on average of a lower socioeconomic status and that the racial patterns drop out when you control for it.

The cultural issues are self-perpetuating, removing the initial cause doesn't make them go away.

You're trying to put out the fire by getting rid of matches.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

That is, apparently, the college admissions board feels that *everyone* in your race, regardless of SES, need only meet a lowered standard because your race is...what..mentally inferior? Lazy? Incapable of competing with white and asian students? And I thought liberals abhorred racial stereotyping and profiling. The whole thing is just so bizarre to me.

Yup. So many of the SJWs hold positions that amount to saying hispanics and blacks are inferior, sometimes even subhuman.

(Islam is also guilty of this. Women have to cover up because men can't control themselves upon seeing one show skin? That's saying Islamic men are more like animals than people. A person is responsible for their own actions!)

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Holy hell, man, just stop digging. From Websters:

Definition of racism

1 :a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 a :a doctrine or political program based on the assumption of racism and designed to execute its principles
b :a political or social system founded on racism
3 :racial prejudice or discrimination

I guess according to you, that settles it...

Yup. Definition #2 doesn't really mean anything as it's circular. Thus the second definition is the sense we are using it in.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

When racism ended.[/Jimmy Higgins logic]

Nothing like the Shit Analogy Fallacy. How's about addressing the comment. The claim made was the admission policy was racist.

Knowing I would be completely wasting my time, I looked at some anyway. Here are the numbers (census source / college enrollment source):

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I want to know, where is the racism here? How in the heck are white people being harmed? It looks like white enrollment in college has increased. It just hasn't increased as much as say Hispanic because of the percent population increase in 30 years.

Leftist dogma detected--you are assuming that everyone is made with a cookie cutter, there are no possible factors that make a sample not match the whole.

There are a lot of black kids whose parents don't care about education and they're mostly in schools with like kids--such kids have a virtually 0% chance of being qualified for college. (While there are some such white kids there are nowhere near as many.)

There are also a lot of Asian and Jewish kids whose parents push extra hard about education. These will be way overrepresented in the college ranks.

Note that your data doesn't sum correctly as you omitted the Asians. What your data is actually showing is that Asians are being discriminated against in favor of blacks and latinos. Whites pretty much end up in a wash at this point, the slots they take from Asians about match the seats they lose to blacks and latinos.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Fuck that Loren. You have shit to back up your ignorant position.

I didn't omit shit. I gave links to all the data.


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[J842P]

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I guess according to you, that settles it...

It was settled earlier by your conflation of "traditional meaning of racism" with " waah, I'm right and you are wrong" position.

Whatever you say, man.

 

[Bomb#20]

It has been sad seeing that no whites are allowed to go to college anymore.

When racism ended.[/Jimmy Higgins logic]

Nothing like the <expletive deleted> Analogy Fallacy.

I didn't make an analogy.

How's about addressing the comment.

I did address the comment -- I posted a proof that your comment was illogical. If you can't tell the difference between a proof and an analogy, take a class.

The claim made was the admission policy was racist.

Yes, that claim was made; and then you attempted to refute that claim with a mind-blowingly stupid counterargument. So I drew your attention to the fact that your counterargument was mind-blowingly stupid. Do you have a problem with that? Do you feel others ought not to point it out when you make mind-blowingly stupid posts? If you don't like having it pointed out, you might want to try applying a few seconds of critical thought before you hit "submit".

Knowing I would be completely wasting my time, I looked at some anyway. Here are the numbers (census source / college enrollment source):

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Are you under the impression that offering a second counterargument against J842P's claim in some way rescues your first counterargument?

I want to know, where is the racism here?

Why are you asking me? I'm not the one who said the admission policy was racist. Whether it's "racist" obviously depends on what definition of "racist" one uses; and I haven't joined this thread's "My definition is more correct than yours." game.

But hey, you're asking me, so I'll answer you, again. As I already told you, the university raises the admission requirements to some other student, in order to inhibit his opportunity to join their freshman class, in order to transfer that opportunity to the black student from that other student, because he's Asian. That's racist by your definition: "Racism is a charged term that is basically understood as policies designed to inhibit opportunities or privileges to someone due solely, as in exclusively, regarding their race."

How in the heck are white people being harmed? It looks like white enrollment in college has increased. It just hasn't increased as much as say Hispanic because of the percent population increase in 30 years.

Why you would imagine that posting statistics about rising white college enrollment has any bearing on whether university policies are designed to inhibit Asian students' opportunities is a mystery.

But even if you'd posted statistics showing more Asians than ever are going to college, it wouldn't change the fact that raising requirements for Asians in order to make it feasible to lower requirements for other races satisfies your definition of racism. Overall college enrollment is going up; if that environment is creating new opportunities for Asians faster than AA inhibits them, what would that prove? It doesn't magically make the AA policy not inhibit opportunities on account of race. It doesn't magically mean an Asian student who goes to the University of Alabama because Harvard turns him down at the same time UA grows like gangbusters has just as good an educational opportunity as he would have had if Harvard had had a race-blind admissions policy. What, you think an anti-Asian Harvard policy + a sufficiently pro-everybody UA policy = a pro-Asian collective policy?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Fuck that Loren. You have shit to back up your ignorant position.

I didn't omit shit. I gave links to all the data.


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I'm pointing out the problems with your data. You have white/black/latino and omit asian.

 

[dendrast]

It has been sad seeing that no whites are allowed to go to college anymore.

When racism ended.[/Jimmy Higgins logic]

I know that girl getting out of the car personally. That's Minnie-Jean Brown. She lives in Canada now, where she had her kids with a draft-dodger. I can assure you that she doesn't believe racism ended there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Rock_Central_High_School

 

[Rhea]

I have always felt the "asians are harmed by race in college" question didn't feel strong. Reading this thread, today I did some research on that to see if I could find out why. Probably the easiest summary is:

"When You’re Accustomed to Privilege, Equality Feels Like Oppression"

This information seems to answer a lot of that
https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-that-it-is-harder-for-Asian-Americans-to-get-into-top-colleges

exerpt:

I’m an Asian American male going into Engineering. I’m also the child of two married advanced degree holders in a high income bracket attending a private high school in a Connecticut suburb of New York City with access to some of the best public education in the US.

None of the above criteria are at all related to anything that I have personally achieved. If I were white, I would be playing the college admissions game on easy. To make my point, even the class dunce got into a good college and we had someone from the bottom quintile get into an Ivy League school.

I just happened to have really good grades and numbers as well as numerous extracurricular activities so maybe I did deserve to get into a good college. But if I got rejected by Yale, being Asian would be the least of my “advantages” that I would need to blame.

and

If you really think about it Asian Americans have a huge systemic advantage when it comes to college admissions. College admissions is based on arbitrary criteria that aren’t at all related to college potential. Those criteria overwhelmingly benefit large groups of people who happen to be Asian Americans.

However, when holistic admissions criteria are applied, many of those advantages disappear. Despite that, Asian Americans still are drastically overrepresented as a percentage of the population as well a percentage of the applicant pool.

There is a lot of data in the post. It answers some of my personal questions of why I felt that people who are Asian do not have it "harder" than people who are black.

 

[Bomb#20]

I know that girl getting out of the car personally. That's Minnie-Jean Brown.

Cool! It really is a small world!

She lives in Canada now, where she had her kids with a draft-dodger. I can assure you that she doesn't believe racism ended there.

My point exactly. It was silly of JH to propose that racism against an ethnicity would imply people of that ethnicity couldn't go to school.

(By the way, her Wikipedia page says she's moved back to Little Rock.)

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I have always felt the "asians are harmed by race in college" question didn't feel strong. Reading this thread, today I did some research on that to see if I could find out why. Probably the easiest summary is:

"When You’re Accustomed to Privilege, Equality Feels Like Oppression"

This information seems to answer a lot of that
https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-that-it-is-harder-for-Asian-Americans-to-get-into-top-colleges

exerpt:


and

If you really think about it Asian Americans have a huge systemic advantage when it comes to college admissions. College admissions is based on arbitrary criteria that aren’t at all related to college potential. Those criteria overwhelmingly benefit large groups of people who happen to be Asian Americans.

However, when holistic admissions criteria are applied, many of those advantages disappear. Despite that, Asian Americans still are drastically overrepresented as a percentage of the population as well a percentage of the applicant pool.

There is a lot of data in the post. It answers some of my personal questions of why I felt that people who are Asian do not have it "harder" than people who are black.

Look at what he's really saying: Asians have attributes that make them good students but we shouldn't consider that.

It's more of the same crap that assumes a disparate result is proof of discrimination.

 

[dendrast]

That's well out of date, like at least ten years. Her mother has since died, and Jean (as I know her) is back in Canada, in BC.

 

[dendrast]

"Asians have attributes that make them good students but we shouldn't consider that."

Maybe they do, but they would be cultural attributes, not physical or racial ones.

 

[Toni]

Cool! It really is a small world!

She lives in Canada now, where she had her kids with a draft-dodger. I can assure you that she doesn't believe racism ended there.

My point exactly. It was silly of JH to propose that racism against an ethnicity would imply people of that ethnicity couldn't go to school.

It's not exactly honest of you to misrepresent JH's position.

But: FWIW, racism does indeed keep people out of school. It reduces their access to school, and creates burdens that interfere with academic achievement and creates further burdens that reduce the ability of some groups of people from attending university. Or school past the age when you can legally drop out.

But you know that. No matter what you pretend.

 

[Bomb#20]

It was silly of JH to propose that racism against an ethnicity would imply people of that ethnicity couldn't go to school.

It's not exactly honest of you to misrepresent JH's position.

Excuse me? How the hell do you figure I misrepresented his position?

Of course they are racist. The traditional meaning of the word is "prejudice based on race", and that is *exactly* what we see in college admissions.

It has been sad seeing that no whites are allowed to go to college anymore.

That's what he wrote. His words. Nobody made him write it. What the hell other interpretation do you figure it has? And if you think it means something other than the obvious, how the hell do you figure I'd know that by being "exactly honest"? ESP?

But: FWIW, racism does indeed keep people out of school. It reduces their access to school, and creates burdens that interfere with academic achievement and creates further burdens that reduce the ability of some groups of people from attending university. Or school past the age when you can legally drop out.

But you know that. No matter what you pretend.

What the hell is wrong with you? Do you live on some other planet where "creates burdens" is a synonym for "no <X> are allowed to go"? Do you think by saying "no whites are allowed to go", JH was in fact making a logical argument proving that raising admission requirements for white students in order to reduce their enrollment doesn't create a burden on them? Or do you just think when you disagree with someone, that means it's okay for you to make up any garbage you feel like and accuse him of "pretending" it's the case?

 

[Trausti]

It is racist for White people to have children.

Can My Children Be Friends With White People?

Seriously, White people. Just fucking die.

 

[Trausti]

"Asians have attributes that make them good students but we shouldn't consider that."

Maybe they do, but they would be cultural attributes, not physical or racial ones.

If that were correct then the advantage would be short lived. People adopt attributes from other cultures all the time. Yet, these differences persist.