Why people are afraid of universal health care

[ZiprHead]

Correction: It is bilby who doesn’t believe an infant is a person until they basically are intelligible to him.

Umm...

Both are unrealistic hypotheticals. No responsible physician would say yes in either case. The 1st case is different than the 2nd because it is charitably assisted suicide of a person. In the 2nd, a fetus is not a person.

In your opinion... a 38 week old fetus is not a person so long as it's still inside a uterus? Is it a person if it's delivered prematurely at 38 weeks?

Yes to both.

Unless I'm reading this wrong, LD expressed that a two-week-before-natural-delivery fetus isn't a person while inside the womb, but the act of being delivered confers personhood upon it.

That's what the US constitution says. That's what the Old Testament of the Bible says.

 

[ZiprHead]

All that said, I'll take nature's most effective killing machine - the domestic cat - over a dog 90% of the time.

Derail. The biggest killers of humans is the mosquito.

 

[bilby]

With all due resiect, in respect with this issue, bilby is entirely fucked up

With all due respect, this translates as "bilby refuses to agree with my strongly held opinion".

Without any due respect at all baby humans are unquestionably and objectively more human than non-human species are. Similarly, kittens are more cats than colts are.

Whether something is "human" has no bearing on whether it is "a person".

If it did, my toenail clippings would be more of a person than an adult Orangutan or Dolphin.

The idea that only humans can be persons is absurd religious nonsense, and about as convincing as the old idea that only light-skinned humans can be persons.

Personhood is about modes of thought, not about species.

A newborn baby is human, but not a person (though most very rapidly become persons, once born); An adult orangutan is a person, bit not a human.

And personhood is a spectrum. An adult orangutan is more of a person than an adult dog, and less of a person than an adult human; But all are to some degree 'persons'. ie.,They have personalities.

 

[bilby]

Correction: It is bilby who doesn’t believe an infant is a person until they basically are intelligible to him.

Umm...

Both are unrealistic hypotheticals. No responsible physician would say yes in either case. The 1st case is different than the 2nd because it is charitably assisted suicide of a person. In the 2nd, a fetus is not a person.

In your opinion... a 38 week old fetus is not a person so long as it's still inside a uterus? Is it a person if it's delivered prematurely at 38 weeks?

Yes to both.

Unless I'm reading this wrong, LD expressed that a two-week-before-natural-delivery fetus isn't a person while inside the womb, but the act of being delivered confers personhood upon it.

That's what the US constitution says. That's what the Old Testament of the Bible says.

Both are, of course, stupidly wrong about this, being as they are a product of times when religion was prioritized over reason.

 

[bilby]

All that said, I'll take nature's most effective killing machine - the domestic cat - over a dog 90% of the time.

Derail. The biggest killers of humans is the mosquito.

So far. But humans have developed DDT, and nuclear weapons, so the game ain't over yet...