Why the Constitution is now null and void

[RVonse]

It really isn't difficult to understand why Elon Musk and DOGE are not going to save the American people money by sucking vast amounts of income out of the US economy. Yet, that is where we are. Musk originally claimed he could find $2 trillion in savings. He pulled that figure out of his ass. Then he learned that there wasn't that much money being spent on nonmilitary stuff, so he farted out $1 trillion as his new target. Then he thought he would start with USAID, because nobody cares about foreign aid. Nobody except all of those Republican farmers in Kansas whose income depended on selling the products of their labor to USAID.

This is what happens when "Common Sense" comes charging down the aisle to fix things so Government spending drops a lot and the Government is better. Common sense is synonym for "inexperienced" and "untrained".

The reality is that Government spending not attached to retirement, health care, debt management... means jobs. Yes, you can cut spending on USAID, there are jobs attached to that. How many? Well, you'd need to ask someone who has more than "Common Sense" to find out.

A good video to watch if you are uninformed as I know I was about USAID. It turns out that the AID in the accrornym does not even stand for aid.



If even half of what they say is true, USAID is about the most evil criminal organization I have ever heard of. Taking this CIA front down will not only benefit US citizens but the rest of the world. See time stamp 2:10-7:46.

So, according to your own words, just about everything you know about USAID is from the YouTube video you provided. If I post a YouTube video that says USAID isn't evil, does that change your opinion of USAID, which apparently was nonexistent a week ago?

You do realize that YouTube videos are best to be taken as primitive sources of info which are starting points for investigation, not the ending point? And more importantly, anything that leaves you with a feeling of disgust should lead to self-reflection about whether the video was aimed to manipulate you.

Good point, I'm still learning about USAID. I never heard about it until Trump and Musk. But what I've learned from Barbo's post (this thread), USAID's own website, wikipedia, X, and youtube is that USAID is a CIA back ops operation. That is enough for me not to want any part of it.

If you have any information that refutes what USAID says on their own website about this I would be interested. Otherwise I don't think I like anything about USAID and wish I was not compelled to pay my tax money for their cause.

 

[Shadowy Man]

For all I have heard so far, USAID is about the most inefficient government program there could possibly be. It might be compassionate but it is not at all efficient. Taking tax money to give it away to other countries. That is not efficient.

The ignorance continues to overwhelm. A primary purpose of USAID was NOT to help struggling foreigners but to ENHANCE American prestige and build friendships by displaying humanitarian and altruistic values. It is was money very well spent for U.S. interests.

Let us all hope and pray that USAID gets talked about enough that even the most hardened partison Democrat hacks will finally come to realize how evil it is. An expensive and illegal CIA black ops program. And get rid of USAID even if Trump and Musk do not succeed in their courageous effort.

And by “courageous” you mean illegal and unconstitutional, right?

You do know you are advocating against the Republic the founders created, which you also claim is the government you want to live under, right?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

For all I have heard so far, USAID is about the most inefficient government program there could possibly be. It might be compassionate but it is not at all efficient. Taking tax money to give it away to other countries. That is not efficient.

The ignorance continues to overwhelm. A primary purpose of USAID was NOT to help struggling foreigners but to ENHANCE American prestige and build friendships by displaying humanitarian and altruistic values. It is was money very well spent for U.S. interests.

Let us all hope and pray that USAID gets talked about enough that even the most hardened partison Democrat hacks will finally come to realize how evil it is. An expensive and illegal CIA black ops program. And get rid of USAID even if Trump and Musk do not succeed in their courageous effort.

And by “courageous” you mean illegal and unconstitutional, right?

The impressive thing is he thinks the effort to disband an organization he admittedly had no opinion on maybe as recently as yesterday, is now solidly and unequivocally of the opinion that organization is evil and must be done away with and Trump/Musk are heroes for trying. All because he saw one YouTube Video.... by a comedian.

 

[Shadowy Man]

Let us all hope and pray that USAID gets talked about enough that even the most hardened partison Democrat hacks will finally come to realize how evil it is.

if they did what was in their power to do, that is, start an investigation and produce evidence of corruption through congressional hearings then yes I would find it likely that Democrats would back them.

However, they chose to empower a non-government civilian with tremendous conflicts of interest and unknown potential national security weaknesses to illegally and unconstitutionally attack the organization. That is not how you start convincing your opponents of the rightness of your argument.

 

[bilby]

You do realize that YouTube videos are best to be taken as primitive sources of info which are starting points for investigation, not the ending point?

Now that's hardly fair.

YouTube videos are best taken as utterly valueless sources of info that are strictly for entertainment purposes only, and are pretty piss-poor at even that.

 

[Swammerdami]

The impressive thing is he thinks the effort to disband an organization he admittedly had no opinion on maybe as recently as yesterday, is now solidly and unequivocally of the opinion that organization is evil and must be done away with and Trump/Musk are heroes for trying. All because he saw one YouTube Video.... by a comedian.

There's a very simple reason why I have no urge to "do my own research" by clicking on that right-wing comedy show.

If USAID really were a "black ops" front, Trump & Musk would be eager to take it over, subvert it further and increase its reach! Not to shut it down.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Musk is currently cramming Education Department spending into AI to find spending cuts. What can be conclude about that? The "waste" isn't apparent (read, really not that much waste).

You do realize that YouTube videos are best to be taken as primitive sources of info which are starting points for investigation, not the ending point?

Now that's hardly fair.

YouTube videos are best taken as utterly valueless sources of info that are strictly for entertainment purposes only, and are pretty piss-poor at even that.

One must remember, people on YouTube are not paid based on the veracity of their content, but on the number of ads that have been watched. There is decent political info, but it is drowned out by the noise.

There is an inverse proportional relationship to accuracy and lack of bias against clickbait and/or emotion. In politics "Trump meltdown over latest court case" or "USAID is a CIA front" are good signs that there is manipulation for clicks to watch ads and they should be avoided. Of course 4 weeks ago, I would have thought it Clickbait if there were videos about Musk rifling through Government databases with no oversight whatsoever.

 

[RVonse]

Musk is currently cramming Education Department spending into AI to find spending cuts. What can be conclude about that? The "waste" isn't apparent (read, really not that much waste).

You do realize that YouTube videos are best to be taken as primitive sources of info which are starting points for investigation, not the ending point?

Now that's hardly fair.

YouTube videos are best taken as utterly valueless sources of info that are strictly for entertainment purposes only, and are pretty piss-poor at even that.

One must remember, people on YouTube are not paid based on the veracity of their content, but on the number of ads that have been watched. There is decent political info, but it is drowned out by the noise.

There is an inverse proportional relationship to accuracy and lack of bias against clickbait and/or emotion. In politics "Trump meltdown over latest court case" or "USAID is a CIA front" are good signs that there is manipulation for clicks to watch ads and they should be avoided. Of course 4 weeks ago, I would have thought it Clickbait if there were videos about Musk rifling through Government databases with no oversight whatsoever.

Its just what what they tell you they are if you read their own website. USAID stands for US Agency for International Development. That tells us literally in their own title that they are spending the money on the rest of the world which I vehemently oppose in the first place. And who else other than the CIA or other intelligence agency that I did not vote for would be spending all that money in the rest of the world? Let us all know why you think it is good having our tax money spent everywhere else when our treasury has never been in debt like it is today since right after world war 2. When our interest on debt is higher than the military budget today. When our country consumes more than it produces today.

I am listening to your side of this Jimmy.

 

[RVonse]

Let us all hope and pray that USAID gets talked about enough that even the most hardened partison Democrat hacks will finally come to realize how evil it is.

if they did what was in their power to do, that is, start an investigation and produce evidence of corruption through congressional hearings then yes I would find it likely that Democrats would back them.

However, they chose to empower a non-government civilian with tremendous conflicts of interest and unknown potential national security weaknesses to illegally and unconstitutionally attack the organization. That is not how you start convincing your opponents of the rightness of your argument.

If they started an investigation that would cost more money and time. And then the Democrats would stone wall every way they could until the public knew what this was really about. Then they would stone wall some more because all this type of spending has to do with special lobbys and contributions and not what the general tax payer really wants. But then and only then would the Democrats back them if their own constituents took time from their jobs to call them enough to forced them to. By then Trumps term would be up so nothing would get done.

Another words nothing about the deficit would ever change the same way it has been going.

I do not like tyranny and dictators any more than the next guy. But how does anything get accomplished without knocking some of the china over?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Musk is currently cramming Education Department spending into AI to find spending cuts. What can be conclude about that? The "waste" isn't apparent (read, really not that much waste).

You do realize that YouTube videos are best to be taken as primitive sources of info which are starting points for investigation, not the ending point?

Now that's hardly fair.

YouTube videos are best taken as utterly valueless sources of info that are strictly for entertainment purposes only, and are pretty piss-poor at even that.

One must remember, people on YouTube are not paid based on the veracity of their content, but on the number of ads that have been watched. There is decent political info, but it is drowned out by the noise.

There is an inverse proportional relationship to accuracy and lack of bias against clickbait and/or emotion. In politics "Trump meltdown over latest court case" or "USAID is a CIA front" are good signs that there is manipulation for clicks to watch ads and they should be avoided. Of course 4 weeks ago, I would have thought it Clickbait if there were videos about Musk rifling through Government databases with no oversight whatsoever.

Its just what what they tell you they are if you read their own website. USAID stands for US Agency for International Development. That tells us literally in their own title that they are spending the money on the rest of the world which I vehemently oppose in the first place.

Vehemently opposed so strongly you didn't even know what USAID did?

And who else other than the CIA or other intelligence agency that I did not vote for would be spending all that money in the rest of the world? Let us all know why you think it is good having our tax money spent everywhere else when our treasury has never been in debt like it is today since right after world war 2.

Are you making an argument against charity here? Or is this a bait and switch, where you'll go to the nefarious *insert maniacal laugh* plots of the CIA?

Regarding charity, there are people in this country that need help. There a lot more people outside of the country who need help much more. This also leads us to your false dichotomy. We can (and do) fund both.

When our interest on debt is higher than the military budget today. When our country consumes more than it produces today.

Are you making an argument against materialism now? When it comes to what matters, we produce a lot of food, a lot of energy.

I am listening to your side of this.

You are here telling us how Musk and Trump had the nerve to take down USAID, an organization you admitted to knowing nothing about until very recently. The same USAID that existed in Trump's first term. But now, you are so damn certain it is a evil organization... or misplaced (you are swerving on the road there) and it needs to be stopped! You didn't come to this conclusion by researching it, you merely allowed yourself to be manipulated by a YouTube video by a person that gets paid by the ad, so they are going to work on riling people up.

But let's actually look into it, shall we? What does the White House have to say these days? Looks kinda scary. But they ran off a list of items that amount to about 0.5% of the $43 billion of so spent by USAID. And this is allowing them to get away with say hundreds of millions were spent on irrigation for poppy. Take that out and they presented a list worth 0.035% of USAID's spending. They say the list goes on and on... of course... if it did, they'd list it. It is a sort of gish gallop, they are listing a lot of things that don't even add up to a little it is that small.

The Trump Admin took down the Congressional Budget Justification (2024) PDF from the Internet. I wonder why. Because it is a lot easier to lie when you hide the truth. That is what Trump and Musk are doing.

 

[abaddon]

 

[Swammerdami]

If they started an investigation that would cost more money and time. And then the Democrats would stone wall every way they could until the public knew what this was really about. Then they would stone wall some more ...

The cognitive dissonance is really strong with this one. The Fascists have control of both Houses of Congress, and are willing to defy the law to do WTF they want. They could make WTF RVonse is talking about the Biggest Crime since the Killing of Jesus or, worse, the Massacre in Benghazi and force all networks to watch any combination of lies they choose.

But RVonse says that the "Democrats" will "stone wall" and foli the prosecution of these heinous crimes. Baffling.

Is anyone preserving The Quotations of RVonse ? I can imagine such a book becoming an incomparable and coveted artifact, bearing testament to ... [deleted].

 

[Swammerdami]

The Trump Admin took down the Congressional Budget Justification (2024) PDF from the Internet. I wonder why. Because it is a lot easier to lie when you hide the truth. That is what Trump and Musk are doing.

Many of these .gov pages still show up on the Wayback Machine. What's the over-under on when that site will be sabotaged?

Wayback Machine

 

[Jarhyn]

If they started an investigation that would cost more money and time. And then the Democrats would stone wall every way they could until the public knew what this was really about. Then they would stone wall some more ...

The cognitive dissonance is really strong with this one. The Fascists have control of both Houses of Congress, and are willing to defy the law to do WTF they want. They could make WTF RVonse is talking about the Biggest Crime since the Killing of Jesus or, worse, the Massacre in Benghazi and force all networks to watch any combination of lies they choose.

But RVonse says that the "Democrats" will "stone wall" and foli the prosecution of these heinous crimes. Baffling.

Is anyone preserving The Quotations of RVonse ? I can imagine such a book becoming an incomparable and coveted artifact, bearing testament to ... [deleted].

Make sure when you compile it you remember this cherry:

I do stand by what I just said

 

[Elixir]

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That may or may not be representative of most Trumpers, but that’s definitely the guy who got The Felon elected.

 

[Shadowy Man]

I do not like tyranny and dictators any more than the next guy. But how does anything get accomplished without knocking some of the china over?

so, you do prefer “tyranny and dictators” because they can accomplish the things you want better than the Constitutional Republic the founders created. It’s ok if that’s true but you shouldn't pretend otherwise.

There are things the government isn’t doing that i want them to do. Would it be right to advocate for a dictator to accomplish those things, even if it’s not what you personally want? Because the Republicans sure did stonewall a lot of what I personally wanted the government to accomplish.

 

[abaddon]

That may or may not be representative of most Trumpers, but that’s definitely the guy who got The Felon elected.

Then the doofuses who believe it, when the robber barons say "we corporations being unregulated by the government so we can fuck everything and everyone to get even richer means you little people will get richer too!", are most or probably all of the rest.

 

[Shadowy Man]

I do not like tyranny and dictators any more than the next guy. But how does anything get accomplished without knocking some of the china over?

according to your approach, Obama should have simply installed Merrick Garland on the Supreme Court, since the Republican Senate abdicated their constitutional duty to provide advice and consent. Right? That should be ok with you, right?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The Trump Admin took down the Congressional Budget Justification (2024) PDF from the Internet. I wonder why. Because it is a lot easier to lie when you hide the truth. That is what Trump and Musk are doing.

Many of these .gov pages still show up on the Wayback Machine. What's the over-under on when that site will be sabotaged?

Wayback Machine

RVonse, there you go. 2024 PDF for the organization. What do you disagree with?

 

[Elixir]

What do you disagree with?

Libs, of course. They’re the Enemy.
Like this commie that Orange Jesus took care of:

Three hours. He gave her three hours to vacate her home. What a petty shitbag this guy is.
TSwizzle’s fav “news” source too. Of course no “obsession” noted in the article -The Fail made that part up.