Who is responsible for pregnancies? (Derail from: Policies that will reduce abortions)

[No Robots]

The word "No" is a powerful, but sadly not fool-proof, way of keeping unwanted pregnancy numbers down.

A word that men should say to themselves and curb their lust.

 

[steve_bank]

We are genetically programed to mate. Monogamous marriage is for keeping a lid on the sometimes intense sexual urges especually when young. In a tribal society it limits male aggression.

Get rid ofthe monogamy norm and we get what we get, issues with unwanted pregnancies and single parent day care.

When it comes to sex male and female hormones at some point chemically override reason and logic.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

But not the release of sperm in a vagina.

It's voluntary--on both sides. A woman who allows sperm to be released into her vagina is just as responsible as the man who released it.

Real men are responsible for his actions and his sperm.

Which does not address my point at all.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

But not the release of sperm in a vagina.

It's voluntary--on both sides. A woman who allows sperm to be released into her vagina is just as responsible as the man who released it.

Honestly? If women could just tell the guy not to release his sperm inside her—and enforce it—there would be very few unintended pregnancies and so women could dispense with birth control that is expensive, inconvenient, comes with varying degrees of side effects, etc.

But women do not control men’s ejaculations.

Most unintended pregnancies are from consensual sex.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

And of course the coil. Wriggle all you like.

There are also vasectomies.

Yep. Quick procedure causing a couple of days of tenderness and no other side effects. Easily reversible.

<Thumps Emily with a medical textbook>
So much wrong here.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

But not the release of sperm in a vagina.

It's voluntary--on both sides. A woman who allows sperm to be released into her vagina is just as responsible as the man who released it.

How exactly does a woman refuse to allow sperm to be released into her vagina? Walk me through how you think this works, please.

Most sperm ends up in her vagina through consensual activity.

 

[Toni]

And of course the coil. Wriggle all you like.

There are also vasectomies.

Yep. Quick procedure causing a couple of days of tenderness and no other side effects. Easily reversible.

<Thumps Emily with a medical textbook>
So much wrong here.

Details?

 

[Toni]

But not the release of sperm in a vagina.

It's voluntary--on both sides. A woman who allows sperm to be released into her vagina is just as responsible as the man who released it.

How exactly does a woman refuse to allow sperm to be released into her vagina? Walk me through how you think this works, please.

Most sperm ends up in her vagina through consensual activity.

Most sperm does not end up in anyone's vagina, consensual or not. Technically speaking.

 

[Toni]

But not the release of sperm in a vagina.

It's voluntary--on both sides. A woman who allows sperm to be released into her vagina is just as responsible as the man who released it.

Honestly? If women could just tell the guy not to release his sperm inside her—and enforce it—there would be very few unintended pregnancies and so women could dispense with birth control that is expensive, inconvenient, comes with varying degrees of side effects, etc.

But women do not control men’s ejaculations.

Most unintended pregnancies are from consensual sex.

Most is not all.

Women have plenty of sex without risking pregnancy. In fact, a woman can have as much sex as she likes without becoming pregnant so long as no man is involved. It's only when sperm is deposited within proximity to an available egg that there's a potential pregnancy.

 

[laughing dog]

But not the release of sperm in a vagina.

It's voluntary--on both sides. A woman who allows sperm to be released into her vagina is just as responsible as the man who released it.

Honestly? If women could just tell the guy not to release his sperm inside her—and enforce it—there would be very few unintended pregnancies and so women could dispense with birth control that is expensive, inconvenient, comes with varying degrees of side effects, etc.

But women do not control men’s ejaculations.

Most unintended pregnancies are from consensual sex.

Do you have an actual point or is just another irrelevant interjection?

Your posts miss the real point - that the woman bears the responsibility of carrying the fetus to term.

 

[Toni]

But not the release of sperm in a vagina.

It's voluntary--on both sides. A woman who allows sperm to be released into her vagina is just as responsible as the man who released it.

Honestly? If women could just tell the guy not to release his sperm inside her—and enforce it—there would be very few unintended pregnancies and so women could dispense with birth control that is expensive, inconvenient, comes with varying degrees of side effects, etc.

But women do not control men’s ejaculations.

Most unintended pregnancies are from consensual sex.

Nonresponsive.

 

[Tigers!]

But not the release of sperm in a vagina.

It's voluntary--on both sides. A woman who allows sperm to be released into her vagina is just as responsible as the man who released it.

Real men are responsible for his actions and his sperm.

Phew. Good idea I made sure that I did not father children I had no intention of supporting.

That you are aware of. You have no idea regarding instances where there was luck and there wasn't a cling-on.

I can be absolutely certain. I did not and do not treat women as objects. It you are not aware or hazy how many times and where you have dipped your wick then it is time to stop and wonder why you are treating women like you do.

Edit: (the 'you' above is not directed at any one in particular but rather the royal "we")

 

[Tigers!]

The word "No" is a powerful, but sadly not fool-proof, way of keeping unwanted pregnancy numbers down.

A word that men should say to themselves and curb their lust.

Indeed. The more it is said both out loud and to oneself the better.

 

[Toni]

But not the release of sperm in a vagina.

It's voluntary--on both sides. A woman who allows sperm to be released into her vagina is just as responsible as the man who released it.

Real men are responsible for his actions and his sperm.

Phew. Good idea I made sure that I did not father children I had no intention of supporting.

That you are aware of. You have no idea regarding instances where there was luck and there wasn't a cling-on.

I can be absolutely certain. I did not and do not treat women as objects. It you are not aware or hazy how many times and where you have dipped your wick then it is time to stop and wonder why you are treating women like you do.

Eh, I think Jimmy is a good guy who treats women well. Heck, I've been fucking the same guy for over 40 years now and I'd be hard pressed to call up details, even from the days back when when there were 'close calls' --some of whom are now lovely, intelligent, responsible adults right now.

 

[steve_bank]

Of course. Men are lust driven pigs, women are pure and innocent violated by a man's penis.

Women are not supposed to ex[experience lust, they really do not want sex.

 

[Emily Lake]

But not the release of sperm in a vagina.

It's voluntary--on both sides. A woman who allows sperm to be released into her vagina is just as responsible as the man who released it.

How exactly does a woman refuse to allow sperm to be released into her vagina? Walk me through how you think this works, please.

Most sperm ends up in her vagina through consensual activity.

Uh huh. And do you think that consensual sex automatically implies "Yay, please cum inside me!"?

Or do you think that perhaps, just perhaps, there's a social expectation that women should be the ones who have to always be responsible about ensuring they don't get pregnant, and that men are excused from that responsibility altogether?

Did you even bother to read the article I linked?

 

[Emily Lake]

Of course. Men are lust driven pigs, women are pure and innocent violated by a man's penis.

Women are not supposed to ex[experience lust, they really do not want sex.

What relevance does this post have in this thread?

 

[No Robots]

Of course. Men are lust driven pigs, women are pure and innocent violated by a man's penis.

It's more like they are man-boys who need mommy to deal with their boo-boos.

 

[laughing dog]

Of course. Men are lust driven pigs, women are pure and innocent violated by a man's penis.

Women are not supposed to ex[experience lust, they really do not want sex.

I do apologize but are you trying to be sarcastic or just stupid?

 

[steve_bank]

Of course. Men are lust driven pigs, women are pure and innocent violated by a man's penis.

Women are not supposed to ex[experience lust, they really do not want sex.

I do apologize but are you trying to be sarcastic or just stupid?

There is the knuckle dragging stereotype of men. There was also the stereotype of women as pure and innocent. idealized on a pedastal with sex discussed openly only among men, lest women be offended.

It is cliche. When I was growing up there were girls who had sex and there were girsl you brought home to meet your parents.

The 60s-70s changed that. Women can be as sexually aggressive as men and not subordinate. A sexual woman no longer carries a social stigma.

If you grew up in today'sexual culture you would not see it as much.

To the OP. Along with that was the idea that a woman does not have to be dependent on a man, including having children.

As the old Virginia Slim cigarette commercial targeting women went 'You've come a long way baby'. The new independent woman image became a marketing ploy.