January 6 Hearings Live

[Cheerful Charlie]

She looks a good bit older than 25.

Link to testimony from beginning?

Youtube NPR hearing day 6 should get one the whole thing if you missed it. Or NBc, ABC, CNN etc.

 

[Toni]

Over time, many people lose their sense of outrage. The crimes committed by Trump and his enablers should have resulted in removal from office and jail terms. I don't need a higher dosage of sensationalism to get my sense of outrage back. It never left me. These hearings are absolutely necessary to build criminal cases, because our national law enforcement agencies don't seem to be doing their job under Merrick Garland. . Only public exposure has any possibility of getting the DoJ to acknowledge its duty. Otherwise, they'll continue looking the other way.

I don’t think that’s fair or true. Justice does not typically give updates on ongoing investigations.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

...and... this:

“The president said something to the effect of, ‘I’m the f-ing president. Take me up to the Capitol now.’ To which Bobby responded, ‘Sir, we have to go back to the West Wing,' " Hutchinson said. “The president reached up towards the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel. Mr. Engel grabbed his arm, said, ‘Sir, you need to take your hand off the steering wheel. We’re going back to the West Wing. We’re not going the Capitol.’

He didn't incite a riot, he was trying to lead a revolution!

Please tell me there is video evidence of this.

 

[Jarhyn]

If he had actually gone, he would have given orders to escalate, and they would have.

 

[Toni]

She’s back: when Trump was told rioters were chanting Hang Mike Pence, Trump said he deserved it, rioters were doing nothing wrong.

Note: throughout they are showing clips of her previous recorded 20 hr long testimony.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

Closing statements touched on veiled attempts to influence January 6 committee witnesses.

 

[Artemus]

A true patriot testified today. Unfortunately the poor woman will have to join the witness protection program now.

ETA: In response to Trump's tweet that Pence didn't have the courage to do the right thing,

As an American, I was disgusted. It was unpatriotic, it was un-American. We were watching the Capitol building get defaced over a lie.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

Over time, many people lose their sense of outrage. The crimes committed by Trump and his enablers should have resulted in removal from office and jail terms. I don't need a higher dosage of sensationalism to get my sense of outrage back. It never left me. These hearings are absolutely necessary to build criminal cases, because our national law enforcement agencies don't seem to be doing their job under Merrick Garland. . Only public exposure has any possibility of getting the DoJ to acknowledge its duty. Otherwise, they'll continue looking the other way.

I don’t think that’s fair or true. Justice does not typically give updates on ongoing investigations.

Well. Mueller failed. Barr failed. Garland is not actually bringing anybody to a court room and we may in the end be bitterly disappointed again. There is a great deal of frustration and suspicion out there that may well be warranted. Merrick Garland needs to address this. So does Biden.

The mountain labored mightily and brought forth a mouse? That cannot happen a third time.

 

[ZiprHead]

'This is a bombshell': Trump aides left speechless by Hutchinson testimony

Aides to former President Donald Trump were left speechless amid the first half of Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony on Tuesday, acknowledging to CNN that her testimony was "a bombshell" with potentially huge repercussions for Trump.

www.cnn.com

(CNN)Aides to former President Donald Trump were left speechless amid the first half of Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony on Tuesday, acknowledging to CNN that her testimony was "a bombshell" with potentially huge repercussions for Trump.
Trump was already bracing for an explosive day of testimony from Hutchinson, who previously told the House select committee that the former President approved of rioters chanting violent threats against Vice President Mike Pence on January 6, 2021.
"This is a bombshell. It's stunning. It's shocking. The story about 'The Beast' -- I don't have words. It's just stunning," said one Trump adviser, referring to the presidential limousine.
"This paints a picture of Trump completely unhinged and completely losing all control which, for his base, they think of him as someone who is in command at all times. This completely flies in the face of that," the adviser added.
The Trump adviser, who was in a group text chat with several other Trump aides and allies as the hearing played out, said that "no one is taking this lightly."
"For the first time since the hearings started, no one is dismissing this," the adviser said.

 

[Artemus]

. Garland is not actually bringing anybody to a court room and we may in the end be bitterly disappointed again.

Can Garland present the depositions to the congressional committee to a grand jury? He may not need to bring anyone to court at this stage.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Over time, many people lose their sense of outrage. The crimes committed by Trump and his enablers should have resulted in removal from office and jail terms. I don't need a higher dosage of sensationalism to get my sense of outrage back. It never left me. These hearings are absolutely necessary to build criminal cases, because our national law enforcement agencies don't seem to be doing their job under Merrick Garland. . Only public exposure has any possibility of getting the DoJ to acknowledge its duty. Otherwise, they'll continue looking the other way.

I don’t think that’s fair or true. Justice does not typically give updates on ongoing investigations.

Well. Mueller failed.

Mueller didn't fail. He provided a document to impeach the President with. He mentioned it twice that it was Congress's job to impeach Trump.

Barr failed.

Bigly.

Garland is not actually bringing anybody to a court room and we may in the end be bitterly disappointed again.

Hundreds of rioters have been charged with crimes. Regarding the people who put the riot together, the question becomes what is provable sedition?

There is a great deal of frustration and suspicion out there that may well be warranted. Merrick Garland needs to address this. So does Biden.

What do you want? Magical convictions? You think these guys won't have lawyers who'll use every trick to delay and delay and delay trials?

Trump and his Administration demonstrated just how fragile our democracy is. We actually lack the tools to punish these crimes, especially when one party won't even recognize it, because the guy brings in the money.

These out'd traitors to our country should be resigning from politics and crawling under rocks never to be seen again. Yet, Trump still has a huge following that'll likely nominate him for the GOP nomination for President. The trouble at the moment is as much the GOP voters as it is the GOP.

 

[Toni]

. Garland is not actually bringing anybody to a court room and we may in the end be bitterly disappointed again.

Can Garland present the depositions to the congressional committee to a grand jury? He may not need to bring anyone to court at this stage.

What I’m reading is that DoJ wants recorded testimony/transcripts from Jan 6 committee which wants to hold onto these.

I’m divided about how I feel about this. More witnesses will be called as time goes on. I am certain that the Jan 6 committee wants to ensure that nothing is leaked prior to public testimony at hearings.

Unfortunately DoJ, which should be absolutely unpolitical/unbiased/beyond reproach has been demonstrated to not be these things.

Even if they were —and I realize there is more than one point of view about this—there are often disputes over jurisdiction between various law enforcement agencies, etc.

 

[Elixir]

A true patriot testified today.

Yes, a courageous but oblivious one.

Unfortunately the poor woman will have to join the witness protection program now.

I hope that works out for her

,

As an American, I was disgusted. It was unpatriotic, it was un-American. We were watching the Capitol building get defaced over a lie.

She lamented the loss of reputation for “all the good things he had done”.
IMO the best thing he ever did was to throw his food at the wall. At least that can be cleaned up.

 

[bilby]

'This is a bombshell': Trump aides left speechless by Hutchinson testimony

Aides to former President Donald Trump were left speechless amid the first half of Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony on Tuesday, acknowledging to CNN that her testimony was "a bombshell" with potentially huge repercussions for Trump.

www.cnn.com

(CNN)Aides to former President Donald Trump were left speechless amid the first half of Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony on Tuesday, acknowledging to CNN that her testimony was "a bombshell" with potentially huge repercussions for Trump.
Trump was already bracing for an explosive day of testimony from Hutchinson, who previously told the House select committee that the former President approved of rioters chanting violent threats against Vice President Mike Pence on January 6, 2021.
"This is a bombshell. It's stunning. It's shocking. The story about 'The Beast' -- I don't have words. It's just stunning," said one Trump adviser, referring to the presidential limousine.
"This paints a picture of Trump completely unhinged and completely losing all control which, for his base, they think of him as someone who is in command at all times. This completely flies in the face of that," the adviser added.
The Trump adviser, who was in a group text chat with several other Trump aides and allies as the hearing played out, said that "no one is taking this lightly."
"For the first time since the hearings started, no one is dismissing this," the adviser said.

I love the fact that this ‘adviser’ appears not to give one single shit that somebody testified that his boss committed treason and tried to lead the overthrow the US Government in a coup d’état, but is horrified that the testimony might portray him in a way that contradicts the carefully cultivated image of him as a strong and capable leader.

And we are supposed to think it’s perfectly reasonable and normal for potential damage to one man’s image, to be more important than the destruction of democracy in an entire nation of three hundred million people.

 

[Copernicus]

Over time, many people lose their sense of outrage. The crimes committed by Trump and his enablers should have resulted in removal from office and jail terms. I don't need a higher dosage of sensationalism to get my sense of outrage back. It never left me. These hearings are absolutely necessary to build criminal cases, because our national law enforcement agencies don't seem to be doing their job under Merrick Garland. . Only public exposure has any possibility of getting the DoJ to acknowledge its duty. Otherwise, they'll continue looking the other way.

I don’t think that’s fair or true. Justice does not typically give updates on ongoing investigations.

I'm sorry, but investigations are not indictments and trials. They can go on forever and end up nowhere. There is never going to be a perfect case, and potential criminal charges were even spelled out in the Mueller report, which made explicit that a president could be liable for them after leaving office. It's not like all of this suddenly appeared overnight. The only prosecutions have been low level ones against rioters, many of whom were nothing more than pawns, and many trials have led to nothing more than minimal jail time, probation, or a lecture in court. Nothing has happened yet from a future president trying the same thing, but doing a better job of it with lessons learned. The administration does not want the headache of trying to convict a former president, especially in light of the aggressive behavior of Trump-enabling Republican politicians wanting to sweep it all under the rug.

It is no accident that the vast majority of those testifying about the crimes before Congress are long time Republicans, many of them quite conservative. Not "RINOs". They were the ones in a position to witness what happened. That a Democratic administration would drag its feet so long despite the sworn testimony of so many Republicans is inexcusable timidity, and it damages the rule of law. They can only be embarrassed into acting, and even these hearings may not be enough. There will be no more Congressional investigations at all, if and when the Republicans take back control of both houses of Congress in November. Then it's back to Fox News hobby horses like Huner Biden's laptop and Biden falling off his bicycle.

 

[Toni]

Over time, many people lose their sense of outrage. The crimes committed by Trump and his enablers should have resulted in removal from office and jail terms. I don't need a higher dosage of sensationalism to get my sense of outrage back. It never left me. These hearings are absolutely necessary to build criminal cases, because our national law enforcement agencies don't seem to be doing their job under Merrick Garland. . Only public exposure has any possibility of getting the DoJ to acknowledge its duty. Otherwise, they'll continue looking the other way.

I don’t think that’s fair or true. Justice does not typically give updates on ongoing investigations.

I'm sorry, but investigations are not indictments and trials. They can go on forever and end up nowhere. There is never going to be a perfect case, and potential criminal charges were even spelled out in the Mueller report, which made explicit that a president could be liable for them after leaving office. It's not like all of this suddenly appeared overnight. The only prosecutions have been low level ones against rioters, many of whom were nothing more than pawns, and many trials have led to nothing more than minimal jail time, probation, or a lecture in court. Nothing has happened yet from a future president trying the same thing, but doing a better job of it with lessons learned. The administration does not want the headache of trying to convict a former president, especially in light of the aggressive behavior of Republican politicians wanting to sweep it all under the rug.

It is no accident that the vast majority of those testifying about the crimes before Congress are long time Republicans, many of them quite conservative. Not "RINOs". They were the ones in a position to witness what happened. That a Democratic administration would drag its feet so long despite the sworn testimony of so many Republicans is inexcusable timidity, and it damages the rule of law. They can only be embarrassed into acting, and even these hearings may not be enough.

Drag its feet?

Not hardly. Things in DC do not move fast. At all.

The Watergate scandal took over 2 years to investigate—impeachment proceedings took nearly 2 years! It ended as quickly as it did only because as despicable as Nixon was, he had a great deal more honor than Trump. Not to mention, mental competence.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

If Trump had gone to the riot, and the mob had hung Pence and Pelosi, would Trump had cheered them on?

Just asking a question.

 

[Toni]

If Trump had gone to the riot, and the mob had hung Pence and Pelosi, would Trump had cheered them on?

Just asking a question.

I don’t think that question even needs to be asked.

 

[Copernicus]

Drag its feet?

Not hardly. Things in DC do not move fast. At all.

The Watergate scandal took over 2 years to investigate—impeachment proceedings took nearly 2 years! It ended as quickly as it did only because as despicable as Nixon was, he had a great deal more honor than Trump. Not to mention, mental competence.

What you mean is that the Watergate scandal took only 2 years for 40 government officials to be indicted and some of those jailed and the president himself to resign in disgrace. There were consequences back then. The Trump scandals started with the head of the FBI being booted from office for failing to end the Russia investigation. The Mueller report identified prosecutable crimes and made clear that the president was indictable after leaving office. The January 6 riot was the first attempt by a sitting president to overthrow our government, but it wasn't the first time that Trump engaged in prosecutable crimes. The pardons only produced potential witnesses whose testimony could have been compelled without endangering their 5th amendment immunity from self-incrimination. None have been made to do that. Maybe there will be charges now, but what about the other crimes? Frankly, I don't see the sudden interest of the DoJ as any more than trying to look busy while buying time for more handwringing and dithering.

 

[Patooka]

If Trump had gone to the riot, and the mob had hung Pence and Pelosi, would Trump had cheered them on?

Just asking a question.

Considering how close the Sardukar were to being deployed, that would have been an interesting shit show.