thebeave
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Meanwhile, in beautiful, sunny California:
In a news segment a black woman from Ca was complaining Nigerian immigrant womem were rising faster in the corporate world than American birn blacks. Could it be attitude and culture pay an important role? I have heard blacks in Seattle compain about black African immigrants. From what I have seen they tend o do well.
African immigrants, especially from West Africa, tend to be the creme de la creme. Very good chance the successful ones are Igbo. Igbo were traders and heavily involved in the slave trade. Ancestry matters more than people like to believe.In a news segment a black woman from Ca was complaining Nigerian immigrant womem were rising faster in the corporate world than American birn blacks. Could it be attitude and culture pay an important role? I have heard blacks in Seattle compain about black African immigrants. From what I have seen they tend o do well.
Yup, this is the damning data--black immigrants on average fare much better than American-born blacks. If it really were discrimination we wouldn't see that.
And as a result, they are much like Asian immigrants in this regard: they have not faced generations of poverty. They come with a large amount of inherited wealth with a reasonable support structure. They have a community of immediate peers with wealth, as well.African immigrants, especially from West Africa, tend to be the creme de la creme. Very good chance the successful ones are Igbo. Igbo were traders and heavily involved in the slave trade. Ancestry matters more than people like to believe.In a news segment a black woman from Ca was complaining Nigerian immigrant womem were rising faster in the corporate world than American birn blacks. Could it be attitude and culture pay an important role? I have heard blacks in Seattle compain about black African immigrants. From what I have seen they tend o do well.
Yup, this is the damning data--black immigrants on average fare much better than American-born blacks. If it really were discrimination we wouldn't see that.
Perhaps you could explain why the last crime being committed in 1984 is important. We are still looking for Nazis despite their last crime being in 1945 (76 years ago). Granted we will not look for much longer.If you do a simple search you’ll find it. Are you suggesting the FBI’s website has been compromised, or something? Really. Type in “FBI most wanted domestic terrorist.” Sorry to bust your narrative.Oleg.
@ Oleg — There IS one way you can be useful here. How did you get fooled? Where did you get your URL?
So, you're unwilling or unable to acknowledge that the page you linked too was, at best, obsolescent — the most recent crime mentioned in the several Wanted posters there was in 1984 — Thirty-eight years ago.
Got it.
Well, okay. But I'd guess those early Igbo who engaged successfully in trade had a selective advantage. It's gene-culture evolution. Those who did well at trade had more offspring. The smarter you were the more children you had. Makes a bit more sense. The "cultural messaging" argument seems unpersuasive as "do you homework" is hardly a cultural secret.In many cases they will have inherited cultural messaging from their parents that is just as historically fucked up, as slave traders, as were the white slave buyers.
Who engaged successfully in the trade of early human lives didn't have a selective advantage. That's not a genetic trait I want. When I see people expressing the phenotype of "acts like they would sell another human being into bondage", I reject that. I wouldn't fuck it. If it tried to fuck me I would kill it. If it worked for me I would fire it. Note: it.Well, okay. But I'd guess those early Igbo who engaged successfully in trade had a selective advantage. It's gene-culture evolution. Those who did well at trade had more offspring. The smarter you were the more children you had. Makes a bit more sense. The "cultural messaging" argument seems unpersuasive as "do you homework" is hardly a cultural secret.In many cases they will have inherited cultural messaging from their parents that is just as historically fucked up, as slave traders, as were the white slave buyers.
Wut? That slavery is bad is a recent (and primarly Western) construction. It's not that engaging in the slave trade per se gave a selective advantage. The Igbo did more than just slavery. It's that entrepenrualship requires intelligence. So there was a selective pressure for intelligence.Who engaged successfully in the trade of early human lives didn't have a selective advantage. That's not a genetic trait I want. When I see people expressing the phenotype of "acts like they would sell another human being into bondage", I reject that. I wouldn't fuck it. If it tried to fuck me I would kill it. If it worked for me I would fire it. Note: it.Well, okay. But I'd guess those early Igbo who engaged successfully in trade had a selective advantage. It's gene-culture evolution. Those who did well at trade had more offspring. The smarter you were the more children you had. Makes a bit more sense. The "cultural messaging" argument seems unpersuasive as "do you homework" is hardly a cultural secret.In many cases they will have inherited cultural messaging from their parents that is just as historically fucked up, as slave traders, as were the white slave buyers.
Take special note so that you don't fucking try taking what I am saying in bad faith:
acts like they would sell another human being into bondage.
Only and exactly that. Nothing about skin color. Nothing about anything else.
Those who would sell another human into bondage do not deserve to be treated as anything but things.
If your cultural secret is slavery, then there will be words. And more than words.
If you need a suitable selection pressure to not treat humans as equals prior and during their education and upbringings, and leave their history out of evaluation of their immediate merits, this is a selection pressure. Artificial selection against slavers.
So do you, or do you not, believe that people should be empowered over one another in a nonconsensual relationship of forced servitude and bondage?Wut? That slavery is bad is a recent (and primarly Western) construction.
There is hardly any GOP in LA.
I do believe slavery is wrong. But I appreaciate that's because I live in the 21st Century after the 19th Century Western moral cursade to end it. But the Igbo particpation in slavery is beside the point.So do you, or do you not, believe that people should be empowered over one another in a nonconsensual relationship of forced servitude and bondage?Wut? That slavery is bad is a recent (and primarly Western) construction.
This statement I quoted doesn't seem to imply that you do.
I do believe slavery is wrong. But I appreaciate that's because I live in the 21st Century after the 19th Century Western moral cursade to end it. But the Igbo particpation in slavery is beside the point.So do you, or do you not, believe that people should be empowered over one another in a nonconsensual relationship of forced servitude and bondage?Wut? That slavery is bad is a recent (and primarly Western) construction.
This statement I quoted doesn't seem to imply that you do.
Because "how long ago it happened" isn't the point.Perhaps you could explain why the last crime being committed in 1984 is important. We are still looking for Nazis despite their last crime being in 1945 (76 years ago).If you do a simple search you’ll find it. Are you suggesting the FBI’s website has been compromised, or something? Really. Type in “FBI most wanted domestic terrorist.” Sorry to bust your narrative.Oleg.
@ Oleg — There IS one way you can be useful here. How did you get fooled? Where did you get your URL?
So, you're unwilling or unable to acknowledge that the page you linked too was, at best, obsolescent — the most recent crime mentioned in the several Wanted posters there was in 1984 — Thirty-eight years ago.
Got it.
No. The fact is people have always lived who thought it was wrong, almost certainly including many (but sadly not all) of.the slaves.I do believe slavery is wrong. But I appreaciate that's because I live in the 21st Century after the 19th Century Western moral cursade to end it. But the Igbo particpation in slavery is beside the point.So do you, or do you not, believe that people should be empowered over one another in a nonconsensual relationship of forced servitude and bondage?Wut? That slavery is bad is a recent (and primarly Western) construction.
This statement I quoted doesn't seem to imply that you do.
Yet there’s no FBI list. I mean, if there’s a klansman under every rock, where are they?In the US as of 2022 right-wing extremist violence is the number one domestic terrorism threat
Who? Slavery is so prevalent in history - everywhere - that even the early Christians, who preached that God loved everyone, just accepted that slavery was part of creation. Anyway, we’ve gotten off topic.The fact is people have always lived who thought it was wrong,
Are you trying to claim that the FBI does not investigate DVE incidents? If so. that is manifestly untrue. Though they had to cloak their work under a nest of buzzwords during the Trump era due to his sympathies, the FBI has never stopped protecting us from threats foreign and domestic.Yet there’s no FBI list. I mean, if there’s a klansman under every rock, where are they?
Who? Slavery is so prevalent in history - everywhere - that even the early Christians, who preached that God loved everyone, just accepted that slavery was part of creation. Anyway, we’ve gotten off topic.The fact is people have always lived who thought it was wrong,
It's almost as if your cut may have been a bit dishonest, seeing as how I answered your JAQing in the part of the quoted paragraph that you cut.the slaves