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2022 Midterm Elections - Results and Post Mortem

My phone is getting overloaded with political spam texts about the Georgia election, begging me to give money to one side or the other. It really annoys me, I've never given money to any political candidate, and I'm not about to start, let alone by funneling money into someone else's state election. If someone wants to represent Georgia, they can do it by convincing Georgians, not Californians or Russsians oror whoever.
 
laughing dog, I do not know what you think you are talking about, but all polls have sampling and non-sampling error. Asking anything less than the entire population (that is, a census) means there will be sampling error. A margin of error is built around the point estimate to reflect that sampling error.
Your response is evidence you do not know what is going on, because my point is that sampling error is not relevant to the issue at hand.



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You don't understand what I mean when I talk about others invoking epistemological privilege, which I did not do.
Sure Jan, keep telling yourself that your audience doesn't understand what you write.
 
I have seen speculation that the original turnout was for Kemp. If so the runoff should be less popular among the gop
That is my hope too, but sadly, there have been a lot of Walker sings scattered throughout my neighborhood that weren't there prior to the November election. WTF are people thinking that they will advertise they support such an unqualified candidate as Walker? The ones that really piss me off say, "Women for Walker". My neighbor and I have been jokingly plotting to put a banner over those signs that say, "He will pay for your abortions". While my area is somewhat racially diverse, most of the white people are likely still Republicans.
It will be interesting. Is the self-interest of voting for an African American rubber-stamp idiot in order to keep the Senate 50-50 going to drive enough demand for a decent right-wing turnout over those, including African Americans, seeking to re-elect Warnock.
 
As others pointed out, "Margin of Error" ignores many possible sources of error; it ONLY deals with the "sampling error" due to extrapolating from a smallish sample. If I was a rational voter in a red-neck district I might be tempted to lie — why bring danger on my family? — were a stranger with a white Southern drawl to ask me whom I'm voting for.

It is VERY easy for a pollster to get unwanted bias. Making afternoon phone calls? Maybe it is Rs rather than Ds who are most likely to answer by the 8th ring. I think that's one reason polling is expensive. Instead of just calling a different number, the pollster may spend time trying to contact the guy who didn't answer his phone.

The sampling error is easy to calculate with a simple formula:
. . . . . . Margin_of_Error = 1.96*sqrt(p*(1-p)/n)
or if we set p = 0.5, simply
. . . . . . Margin_of_Error = 0.98*sqrt(1/n)
Set n = 1067 and the latter formula yields Margin_of_Error = 0.03. This means that, ignoring all biases except sampling error, and supposing you got 50% of the pollees agreeing with "Yes, Pelosi is a crook," there is a 95% chance that the correct percent for the total population is in the range 47% to 53%.

0.98 is very close to 1 so Margin_of_Error = sqrt(1/n) is a good-enough formula. The margin of error is 10% for a n=100 sample, 1% for a n=10,000 sample, and 0.1% for a n=1,000,000 sample.

Pollsters usually set p = 0.50 and describe that as the Margin of Error for all the questions answered. But in fact, if the result on a certain question is 87%/13% instead of 50%/50%, then p = 0.13 (or p = 0.87) should be substituted in the formula. This would give a ±2% margin of error instead of ±3%. (Anyway the simple formula breaks down when the poll result is VERY lopsided.)
 
laughing dog, I do not know what you think you are talking about, but all polls have sampling and non-sampling error. Asking anything less than the entire population (that is, a census) means there will be sampling error. A margin of error is built around the point estimate to reflect that sampling error.
Your response is evidence you do not know what is going on, because my point is that sampling error is not relevant to the issue at hand.
Your response is evidence you do not know what pood and I are talking about.
 
I have been remiss in my Moderator's duties and waited unto there were 135 off-topic posts in this thread to do a Split. I should have nipped it in the bud.
laughing dog, I do not know what you think you are talking about, but all polls have sampling and non-sampling error. Asking anything less than the entire population (that is, a census) means there will be sampling error. A margin of error is built around the point estimate to reflect that sampling error.
Your response is evidence you do not know what is going on, because my point is that sampling error is not relevant to the issue at hand.
Your response is evidence you do not know what pood and I are talking about.

If anyone needs to discuss whether Metaphor has evidence that laughing dog does or does not know what pood and Metaphor are talking about, Please start a new thread.
 
If anyone needs to discuss whether Metaphor has evidence that laughing dog does or does not know what pood and Metaphor are talking about, Please start a new thread.
Perhaps it would be good to have a whole new forum dedicated to letting M explain how and why everyone who fails to grasp his lofty points, fails to grasp his lofty points.
Perhaps he can then help them (us) improve their (our) comprehension so that they (we) might benefit from his introspective wisdom?
 
If anyone needs to discuss whether Metaphor has evidence that laughing dog does or does not know what pood and Metaphor are talking about, Please start a new thread.
Perhaps it would be good to have a whole new forum dedicated to letting M explain how and why everyone who fails to grasp his lofty points,
"Lofty"?

It's a "lofty" point to say understanding the speech of others is not irrelevant to the job of a Senator?
 
So they have tried to pull Cueller over.


Kevin McCarthy’s allies have attempted to sway at least one moderate Democrat to the GOP side of the aisle in recent days, according to a person with knowledge of the situation — a sign of desperation as he searches for the 218 votes he’ll need to become House speaker next year.

Rep. Henry Cuellar (D-Texas) has received calls from multiple people close to McCarthy, including one current and one former member, as the California Republican attempts to lock down support amid a burgeoning conservative rebellion, the person said. Cuellar repeatedly rejected the idea.

But WSJ says he's refused.


It doesn't look like the GOP will need any defections for a majority now, as they have all but locked it up, with the seat margin the only question now. But McCarthy may still need some help to win the speakership vote. The Politico article goes into the jockeying going on in their caucus.
 
laughing dog, I do not know what you think you are talking about, but all polls have sampling and non-sampling error. Asking anything less than the entire population (that is, a census) means there will be sampling error. A margin of error is built around the point estimate to reflect that sampling error.
Your response is evidence you do not know what is going on, because my point is that sampling error is not relevant to the issue at hand.
Your response is evidence you do not know what pood and I are talking about.
I need to change batteries in my universal translator. It is translating everything to Klingon.
 
If anyone needs to discuss whether Metaphor has evidence that laughing dog does or does not know what pood and Metaphor are talking about, Please start a new thread.
Perhaps it would be good to have a whole new forum dedicated to letting M explain how and why everyone who fails to grasp his lofty points,
"Lofty"?

It's a "lofty" point to say understanding the speech of others is not irrelevant to the job of a Senator?
It is ignorant and libelous to assert that Fetterman is unable to understand the speech of others.
 
If anyone needs to discuss whether Metaphor has evidence that laughing dog does or does not know what pood and Metaphor are talking about, Please start a new thread.
Perhaps it would be good to have a whole new forum dedicated to letting M explain how and why everyone who fails to grasp his lofty points,
"Lofty"?

It's a "lofty" point to say understanding the speech of others is not irrelevant to the job of a Senator?
It is ignorant and libelous to assert that Fetterman is unable to understand the speech of others.
Fetterman needs to start with suing himself, then, for making the claim about himself.
 
If anyone needs to discuss whether Metaphor has evidence that laughing dog does or does not know what pood and Metaphor are talking about, Please start a new thread.
Perhaps it would be good to have a whole new forum dedicated to letting M explain how and why everyone who fails to grasp his lofty points,
"Lofty"?

It's a "lofty" point to say understanding the speech of others is not irrelevant to the job of a Senator?
Wrapping an interrogative statement in a double negative with reversed subject and verb is one way to "loft" ones point, init'it?
 
If anyone needs to discuss whether Metaphor has evidence that laughing dog does or does not know what pood and Metaphor are talking about, Please start a new thread.
Perhaps it would be good to have a whole new forum dedicated to letting M explain how and why everyone who fails to grasp his lofty points,
"Lofty"?

It's a "lofty" point to say understanding the speech of others is not irrelevant to the job of a Senator?
Wrapping an interrogative statement in a double negative with reversed subject and verb is one way to "loft" ones point, init'it?
No.
 
Back on topic,


Trump as Speaker? That would be glorious. The two things everyone knows about Trump is that he's a hard worker and is great at making deals.
 
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