George Floyd murderer's trial

[Toni]

It's amazing to me how you are all over correcting people's typos and word choices and yet you still feel that you are perfectly ok with clinging to the racist claim that George Floyd would not have died if he had not had any drugs in his system.

That's not a "racist claim", that's reality.
From his autopsy report:

A. Blood drug and novel psychoactive substances screens:
1. Fentanyl 11 ng/mL
2. Norfentanyl 5.6 ng/mL
3. 4-ANPP 0.65 ng/mL
4. Methamphetamine 19 ng/mL
5. 11-Hydroxy Delta-9 THC 1.2 ng/mL;
Delta-9 Carboxy THC 42 ng/mL; Delta-9 THC 2.9 ng/mL
6. Cotinine positive
7. Caffeine positive

Those are high levels of drugs. Fentanyl in particular can cause apnea.
He also had significant heart problems.

Natural diseases
A. Arteriosclerotic heart disease, multifocal, severe
B. Hypertensive heart disease
1. Cardiomegaly (540 g) with mild biventricular
dilatation
2. Clinical history of hypertension

His lungs were not healthy either.

RESPIRATORY SYSTEM: The right and left lungs weigh 1085 and
1015 g, respectively. The external surfaces are pink only on the
most anterior aspects, and deep red-purple in all other areas.
The pulmonary parenchyma is diffusely congested and edematous.

Pulmonary edema is very common with fatal fentanyl overdoses.

Pulmonary edema was present in 96% of those who died of fentanyl alone and in 94% of those who died of opioids excluding fentanyl.

Common Findings and Predictive Measures of Opioid Overdoses

To argue that his heart problems combined with the drug cocktail he had in his system did not significantly contribute to his death is just ridiculous. It was done because they wanted to railroad Chauvin et al in order to appease the #BLM/Antifa rioters who were burning down not only Minneapolis but other US cities as well. It did not really work. Rioters continued rioting.

Despite the FACT that MEDICAL EXAMINERS who have expertise and first hand knowledge of having examined the corpse of George Floyd have stated unequivocally that George Floyd died due to lack of oxygen due to the fact that Chauvin kneeled on his neck for almost 9 minutes. A maneuver KNOWN to be deadly because it had resulted in the deaths of many other people and was/is banned by many police forces because it is deadly.

[citation needed]
How many deaths? How many of those deaths did not include serious medical problems and/or acute drug intoxication?

Nothing you wrote is relevant. George Floyd died because Derek Chauvin kneeled on his neck despite Floyd's pleas and the pleas of the crowd surrounding them. Whether Floyd would have died the next day or later that night or a year later pt 10 is immaterial. Derek Chauvin caused George Floyd's death.

 

[TomC]

George Floyd died because Derek Chauvin kneeled on his neck despite Floyd's pleas and the pleas of the crowd surrounding them.

Personally, I don't believe that any more than I believe that Kyle Rittenhouse was defending other people or McMichaels was defending his neighborhood.

Which I don't.
Tom

 

[Toni]

George Floyd died because Derek Chauvin kneeled on his neck despite Floyd's pleas and the pleas of the crowd surrounding them.

Personally, I don't believe that any more than I believe that Kyle Rittenhouse was defending other people or McMichaels was defending his neighborhood.

Which I don't.
Tom

So you don’t believe the medical examiner. Where did you go to medical school again?

 

[Derec]

So you don’t believe the medical examiner. Where did you go to medical school again?

The medical examiner has a vested interest in lying. The State of Minnesota was gung ho on crucifying Chauvin.

And one does not need to have gone to med school to know that very high levels of fentanyl 11 ng/mL (very high dose, fatalities can occur with 7 ng/mL), methamphetamine and serious health problems (severe atherosclerosis, cardiomegaly, high blood pressure) should not be dismissed and at the very least provide a reasonable doubt as to his cause of death. Quite unlike Mohammed Noor's bullet which is without doubt the cause of death of his victim. And yet he gets 5 years.

 

[Derec]

Nothing you wrote is relevant. George Floyd died because Derek Chauvin kneeled on his neck despite Floyd's pleas and the pleas of the crowd surrounding them.

Of course it is relevant that Floyd had 11 ng/mL of fentanyl and was also high on meth. In addition to having serious chronic diseases.

Whether Floyd would have died the next day or later that night or a year later pt 10 is immaterial. Derek Chauvin caused George Floyd's death.

I do not think Floyd would have died that day at all but for his extreme fentanyl and meth intoxication. But Chauvin had to be crucified in order to appease the murderous #BLM/Antifa mob.

 

[Derec]

George Floyd was more of a symbol of how police often treat poor, unarmed, black men, regardless if they are drug addicts, former criminals or innocent, educated young men with a positive outlook.

White people get killed by police as well, including without justification.
If Floyd is a symbol of anything, it is the symbol of the false, racist narrative promulgated by #BLM that has been poisoning race relations in this country since 2014. Symbol used to enrich race hustlers like Al Sharpton who somehow always shows up at these funerals.

Plus, it's not just that Floyd was murdered. He was tortured. There is no justification for some who is supposed to be protecting the public to treat another human being like Floyd was treated.

I think Chauvin did wrong. But let's not exaggerate here. Restraining somebody by kneeling on their chest is not torture. Neither is it normally lethal, nor would it have been for Floyd had it not been for the fact that he had a veritable pharmacy in his already ill system.

I am far more disgusted by the behavior of the person who murdered George Floyd, than I am that Floyd has been used as a symbol, a symbol that people easily recognize and it reminds them that we have a serious problem with unjustified police violence, falsely committed in the name of law and order.

I am disgusted by the behavior of people who used him as a symbol in 2020 - used him to justify looting, vandalism, arson, even murder.

 

[Toni]

Noor acted on impulse out of fear.

Chauvin acted out of malice and a desire to cause harm. He refused to change is behavior despite the urging of the crowd around him and the questioning of what they were doing by a fellow officer. He looked as though he was enjoying what he was doing.

The question of whether George would have ended up in police custody that day if he had not been on fentanyl is a valid one. In that respect, fentanyl could be considered a cause of George Floyd's death. It does not matter if Floyd would have died 5 minutes later from that fentanyl in his system. He died because of Derek Chauvin's knee pressing on his neck for nearly 9 minutes.

The medical examiner did not lie. You just are unwilling to believe what you saw. What millions of people saw. If Chauvin had been black and Floyd white, I think you'd be more willing to believe the medical examiner.

 

[Patooka]

I am disgusted by the behavior of people who used him as a symbol in 2020

I'm disgusted by people who think because of who George Floyd was, that excuses Chauvin behaviour that day. And what's really reprehensible is the way those same people ignore how casually cops mislead in their reports afterwards and those same misleading reports are unconditionally accepted by "good" cops and the media.

But St George had fentanyl in him so fuck the ramifications of that form of institutional corruption, right?

 

[Toni]

Chauvin acted out of malice and a desire to cause harm.

Have you got evidence of this?

I don't think you do. I think you're accepting the media accounts the way TSwizzle accepts the media accounts concerning Hunter Biden's laptop.

It matches your preconceived notions. You put on your ideological blinders. You think it's obvious.
Tom

I saw the video. That's my evidence. He looked extremely pleased with himself.

I have no idea what, if any, influence his relationship with Floyd had on his actions.

 

[Patooka]

Have you got evidence of this?

You don't choke someone for 8 minutes because of indifference. You certainly don't omit it in your incident report if you think you're not in the wrong.

I don't know if Chauvin acted out of malice the same way I don't know if you would survive jumping off the top of a 15 story building. I know which way I'd bet, though.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

So you don’t believe the medical examiner. Where did you go to medical school again?

The medical examiner has a vested interest in lying. The State of Minnesota was gung ho on crucifying Chauvin.

And one does not need to have gone to med school to know that very high levels of fentanyl 11 ng/mL (very high dose, fatalities can occur with 7 ng/mL), methamphetamine and serious health problems (severe atherosclerosis, cardiomegaly, high blood pressure) should not be dismissed and at the very least provide a reasonable doubt as to his cause of death. Quite unlike Mohammed Noor's bullet which is without doubt the cause of death of his victim. And yet he gets 5 years.

You continue to fail to comprehend habituation. A dose that can kill someone who is opiate naive can be a normal dose for a habitual user. We had a local case here where the guy had a "lethal" level of opiates in his system. There's no question what killed him, though--a police bullet. In a sense the opiates could be blamed, they made him loopy enough that in the confrontation the guy eventually handed his gun to the officers barrel first. (In hindsight there's no question he was handing it to them, not trying to shoot them.)

 

[lpetrich]

So you don’t believe the medical examiner. Where did you go to medical school again?

The medical examiner has a vested interest in lying.

What "vested interest in lying"?

The State of Minnesota was gung ho on crucifying Chauvin.

"Crucifying"?

(a lot of stuff about George Floyd's supposedly poor health...)
That does not make Derek Chauvin any less guilty of murdering him. At most that makes him guilty of negligent homicide, and not the martyr that you think he is.

About fentanyl, I've found Fentanyl drug profile | www.emcdda.europa.eu - "The recommended serum concentration for analgesia is 1–2 ng/ml and for anaesthesia it is 10–20 ng/ml. Blood concentrations of approximately 7 ng/ml or greater have been associated with fatalities where poly-substance use was involved."

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Chauvin acted out of malice and a desire to cause harm.

Have you got evidence of this?

I don't think you do. I think you're accepting the media accounts the way TSwizzle accepts the media accounts concerning Hunter Biden's laptop.

It matches your preconceived notions. You put on your ideological blinders. You think it's obvious.
Tom

I think it's pretty obvious he intended to cause harm, but I don't think he intended to cause lasting harm.

This is basically a classic example of the problem with police misuse of force. He almost certainly did something to upset the police and they decided to administer a bit of field justice. They only intended to inflict pain but they went farther than they meant to.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

From post#7:

Look at Derek Chauvin.

OK, but what about the DUKE LACROSSE TEAM????????!!!!!!!111111ONE!11

 

[TomC]

I think it's pretty obvious he intended to cause harm, but I don't think he intended to cause lasting harm.

This is basically a classic example of the problem with police misuse of force. He almost certainly did something to upset the police and they decided to administer a bit of field justice. They only intended to inflict pain but they went farther than they meant to.

That's not quite what the court records said.
Floyd was safely in a police car, then got belligerent and demanded to be restrained outside on the ground before Chauvin got there.


But I'm really kinda tired of beating this dead horse. I think Chauvin was lynched by a mob. Oh well, it happens.
Tom

 

[laughing dog]

That's not quite what the court records said.
Floyd was safely in a police car, then got belligerent and demanded to be restrained outside on the ground before Chauvin got there.

No, Mr. Floyd was removed from a private citizens car by the police. Mr Floyd resisted getting into a police car.

But I'm really kinda tired of beating this dead horse. I think Chauvin was lynched by a mob. Oh well, it happens.
Tom

If Mr. Chauvin had been lynched, he would not still be living. Unlike Mr. Floyd, Mr. Chauvin had his days in court. In fact, his lawyer is appealing his state conviction on the grounds he did not receive a fair trial because it was held in the Twin Cities.

 

[Toni]

Where does one get that Mr. Floyd 'demanded' to be restrained?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Floyd... why not talk about Rodney King? How far back do we need to go with every contemporary needless police related attack or death our community or nation experiences. Why do we always need to derail from the current situation? Is it simply too soon to discuss why *insert name* probably shouldn't be dead yet?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I think it's pretty obvious he intended to cause harm, but I don't think he intended to cause lasting harm.

This is basically a classic example of the problem with police misuse of force. He almost certainly did something to upset the police and they decided to administer a bit of field justice. They only intended to inflict pain but they went farther than they meant to.

That's not quite what the court records said.
Floyd was safely in a police car, then got belligerent and demanded to be restrained outside on the ground before Chauvin got there.


But I'm really kinda tired of beating this dead horse. I think Chauvin was lynched by a mob. Oh well, it happens.
Tom

Technically the people were standing around while the officers were doing their thing. They didn't turn into a mob and string Chauvin up a tree and murder him.

 

[Gospel]

I think it's pretty obvious he intended to cause harm, but I don't think he intended to cause lasting harm.

This is basically a classic example of the problem with police misuse of force. He almost certainly did something to upset the police and they decided to administer a bit of field justice. They only intended to inflict pain but they went farther than they meant to.

That's not quite what the court records said.
Floyd was safely in a police car, then got belligerent and demanded to be restrained outside on the ground before Chauvin got there.


But I'm really kinda tired of beating this dead horse. I think Chauvin was lynched by a mob. Oh well, it happens.
Tom

Belligerent = hostile and aggressive.

Non compliant yes belligerent no. No need to embellish the story to feel better about your position. I mean if you're right you don't need to make up stuff, you can just post evidence. Not here though. To my knowledge the George Floyd thread is still accessible.