The hush money indictment

[bilby]

people that Derec doesn’t like

There you go again with your leftist obsession with race...

 

[Elixir]

Trying to subvert elections is a threat to the country every bit as much as crashing planes into the Pentagon.

But not as bad as a RW agitator setting fires at a BLM protest. Those BLMers should never have gotten uppity and they wouldn’t be blamed for the fires.

 

[Elixir]

Bragg's just this one overworked bureaucrat in a little office pursuing purse snatchers and other minor scofflaws, but he set aside those duties to go after Trump...ostensibly at the behest of George Soros.

Yup. Derec’s Kool Aid and he can’t put it down. I think he knows how stupid that IS, but not sure he understands how stupid it LOOKS.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Trump reminds me of the lowest bidding contractor, that does as they please. Any one thing they do wrong can seem like something petty, but in the aggregate, it becomes quite mountainous. Then you add the attitude of they are the king and you must abide because they'll just fuck you in other ways, and it gets intolerable. Trump hasn't broken one or two laws. He has broken so many rules, regulations, laws, etc... but lawyers and all. Remember, he isn't allowed to run a charity in the State of New York anymore because he was using it to pay off legal liabilities, without even really putting money into it.

I get tired of hearing how we shouldn't care about this because he did worse things. He broke the law. If I falsified documents as such, I'd go to jail because I wouldn't have the lawyers in reserve to protect me from my wrong doing.

 

[Swammerdami]

The kicker in all of this is that if the supposed “billionaire” had just reached in his pocket and forked over $130,000 cash, none of this happens. None of it.

Don't forget: This is the guy who paid for Don Junior's Boy Scouts membership by having the non-profit Trump Foundation make a $6 "charitable" donation.

Trump is just so insanely criminally stupid, he chose to do it in pretty much the only way possible to make it a felony—by using campaign funds to pay hush money to a porn star, painfully clearly in furtherance of remaining more “electable” as a candidate, and then leaving paper trails all over the place of himself covering up that he used campaign funds to pay hush money to a porn star do he could remain electable.

I know there’s such a thing as an own goal, but Trump invented a special new level of own-goalness with his sheer stupidity. The only things on this planet dumber than this corrupt fuck are the mouth-breathers who continue to idolize him.

 

[laughing dog]

Why are you leftists always so obsessed with race?
This would be no different had the DA been named Garcon, Boudin, Krasner or Schmidt.

You are not fooling anyone with your half -truths ( yiur clsim about his failure to prosecute robberies committed with a knife as felonies) and unsubstantiated claims (failure to prosecute most felonies) about Mr Bragg.

 

[laughing dog]

No, I said it was misdemeanors that Bragg worked really hard to make into felonies.
Note that when he first took over the office, he didn't want to prosecute actual felonies, to wit most armed robberies, as felonies, and only public pressure led him to abandon that policy.

“Most felonies”? Do you have actual evidence to support

I said "most robberies". It was in his memo when he first came in. He was later pressured into reversing it, but it shows what he really wanted to do.

Thank you for admitting you pulled you claim out if your ass.

Again your my obsession with race. Sigh.

FIFY

 

[Derec]

Thank you for admitting you pulled you claim out if your ass.

Nope. I provided links explaining the policy.

FIFY

Nope. You are the one who keeps bringing up race on this thread. I never mentioned it.

 

[laughing dog]

Thank you for admitting you pulled you claim out if your ass.

Nope. I provided links explaining the policy.

You provided no link to support your claim he was not prosecuting most robberies.

You provided an out dated link about a policy without indicating the policy was reversed.

Nope. You are the one who keeps bringing up race on this thread. I never mentioned it.

How does one characterize the MO of misrepresenting the decisions of Black DAs?

 

[Derec]

You are not fooling anyone with your half -truths

I am not trying to fool anyone. You are projecting, as usual.

( yiur clsim

Are you having a stroke?

about his failure to prosecute robberies committed with a knife as felonies) and unsubstantiated claims (failure to prosecute most felonies) about Mr Bragg.

I have substantiated them. And for the record, a knife is a lethal weapon. We should not treat a knife robbery as misdemeanor "petit larceny".

 

[Derec]

You provided no link to support your claim he was not prosecuting most robberies.

I did.

You provided an out dated link about a policy without indicating the policy was reversed.

So? He still wanted this soft-on-robberies policy implemented. He only reversed it due to pressure.

How does one characterize the MO of misrepresenting the decisions of Black DAs?

Why do you deem it relevant that the DA is black? I have criticized plenty of white leftist DAs - Schmidt in Portland, Garcon in LA, Boudin in SF, Krasner in Philly. And yet you keep getting hung up on race because, frankly, you have nothing else.

 

[laughing dog]

I have substantiated them. And for the record, a knife is a lethal weapon. We should not treat a knife robbery as misdemeanor "petit larceny".

You provided no link to support your claim he was not prosecuting most robberies.

I did.

You provided an out dated link about a policy without indicating the policy was reversed.

So? He still wanted this soft-on-robberies policy implemented. He only reversed it due to pressure.

In one post, you claimed Mr Bragg was not prosecuting knife robberies as felonies and used a link to substantiate your claim. The link was out of date because he reversed the policy. You made a false claim of fact, Whether you made a honest mistake or not, only you know for sure. But your subsequent false responses suggest a honest mistake is not the answer.


In another post, you claimed Mr Bragg is not prosecuting most felonies without providing any data.

How does one characterize the MO of misrepresenting the decisions of Black DAs?

Why do you deem it relevant that the DA is black? I have criticized plenty of white leftist DAs - Schmidt in Portland, Garcon in LA, Boudin in SF, Krasner in Philly. And yet you keep getting hung up on race because, frankly, you have nothing else.
[/QUOTE] Says the poster who claims a Black Muslim AG went soft on a black Muslim police officer because of their race and religion.

 

[ZiprHead]

Russia's "merchant of death" warns Donald Trump his life is in danger

Viktor Bout said on Russia state TV that he sent a telegram to Trump warning him of an imminent threat to his life and urging him to flee to Russia for safety.

www.newsweek.com

In an interview on a Russian state-TV channel, Viktor Bout—an international arms dealer made infamous after his portrayal by Nicolas Cage in the 2005 film "Lord of War"—told a reporter he had sent a telegram to Trump warning him of an imminent threat to his life and urging him to flee to Russia for safety.

The threat against Trump's life, Bout suggested, is not from an assassin or some unknown plot against him. Instead, he said, it comes from Trump's own government and is a result of the Manhattan district attorney's probe of allegations that Trump falsified business records to hide a hush money payment to former adult film star Stormy Daniels before the 2016 election.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

Orange Face could do well enough for himself in Russia. I wish he'd accept the offer.

 

[Elixir]

Orange Face could do well enough for himself in Russia. I wish he'd accept the offer.

Nobody in Russia adores Dolt 45. They know he's just Pootey's butt-boy.
Donny doesn't want to be where everyone knows he's just a butt-boy.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Fuck no! He can’t even face the fact that Trump is charged with CLASS 1 felony falsifications of records. Bragg didn’t “make it” a felony, it was a felony when Trump allegedly did it.

Falsifying business records is normally a misdemeanor. I am not a lawyer, and I take it, neither are you.
But legal commentators (who tend to dislike Trump btw) seem to agree that Bragg did a lot of legal gymnastics to turn what is normally a misdemeanor into a felony.
Now, if Bragg were some prosecutor who is known for going for highest possible charge across the board, that would be one thing. Except, he prefers charging crimes that are normally felonies as misdemeanors.

Falsifying records by itself is a misdemeanor. Falsifying them in pursuit of another crime is a felony.

 

[Shadowy Man]

Fuck no! He can’t even face the fact that Trump is charged with CLASS 1 felony falsifications of records. Bragg didn’t “make it” a felony, it was a felony when Trump allegedly did it.

Falsifying business records is normally a misdemeanor. I am not a lawyer, and I take it, neither are you.
But legal commentators (who tend to dislike Trump btw) seem to agree that Bragg did a lot of legal gymnastics to turn what is normally a misdemeanor into a felony.
Now, if Bragg were some prosecutor who is known for going for highest possible charge across the board, that would be one thing. Except, he prefers charging crimes that are normally felonies as misdemeanors.

Falsifying records by itself is a misdemeanor. Falsifying them in pursuit of another crime is a felony.

Couldn’t he have charged both? That is, if he is unable to prove that the falsification was in furtherance of another crime he could at least still get a Conviction on the misdemeanor. It seems he has put all his eggs in one basket and made it harder on himself.

 

[Toni]

Fuck no! He can’t even face the fact that Trump is charged with CLASS 1 felony falsifications of records. Bragg didn’t “make it” a felony, it was a felony when Trump allegedly did it.

Falsifying business records is normally a misdemeanor. I am not a lawyer, and I take it, neither are you.
But legal commentators (who tend to dislike Trump btw) seem to agree that Bragg did a lot of legal gymnastics to turn what is normally a misdemeanor into a felony.
Now, if Bragg were some prosecutor who is known for going for highest possible charge across the board, that would be one thing. Except, he prefers charging crimes that are normally felonies as misdemeanors.

Falsifying records by itself is a misdemeanor. Falsifying them in pursuit of another crime is a felony.

Couldn’t he have charged both? That is, if he is unable to prove that the falsification was in furtherance of another crime he could at least still get a Conviction on the misdemeanor. It seems he has put all his eggs in one basket and made it harder on himself.

My understanding is that in NYC, committing misdemeanors in order to cover up another crime ( misdemeanor or felony) elevates these charges of misdemeanor to felony status. The underlying criminal action these now elevated to felonies acts were meant to cover up do NOT need to be proven in order to charge those 34 misdemeanors as felonies.

No I’m not a lawyer but I’ve read/listened to a few opinions recently, including Bragg himself.

 

[Shadowy Man]

Fuck no! He can’t even face the fact that Trump is charged with CLASS 1 felony falsifications of records. Bragg didn’t “make it” a felony, it was a felony when Trump allegedly did it.

Falsifying business records is normally a misdemeanor. I am not a lawyer, and I take it, neither are you.
But legal commentators (who tend to dislike Trump btw) seem to agree that Bragg did a lot of legal gymnastics to turn what is normally a misdemeanor into a felony.
Now, if Bragg were some prosecutor who is known for going for highest possible charge across the board, that would be one thing. Except, he prefers charging crimes that are normally felonies as misdemeanors.

Falsifying records by itself is a misdemeanor. Falsifying them in pursuit of another crime is a felony.

Couldn’t he have charged both? That is, if he is unable to prove that the falsification was in furtherance of another crime he could at least still get a Conviction on the misdemeanor. It seems he has put all his eggs in one basket and made it harder on himself.

My understanding is that in NYC, committing misdemeanors in order to cover up another crime ( misdemeanor or felony) elevates these charges of misdemeanor to felony status. The underlying criminal action these now elevated to felonies acts were meant to cover up do NOT need to be proven in order to charge those 34 misdemeanors as felonies.

No I’m not a lawyer but I’ve read/listened to a few opinions recently, including Bragg himself.

Yes I understand that. But he could also charge the misdemeanors in case he can’t convince a jury of the felony.

If I were on the jury and the prosecutor said that this crime was a felony because it was in furtherance of another crime but couldn’t convince me of that other crime (not prove that it happened as you say but prove that there was intent to cover up — there has to be evidence at least of the other crime if not legal proof) then I wouldn’t likely convict as a felony.

And if he can’t do that he could still convict on the misdemeanor. Maybe the jury will be given instructions that way; that is, if they cannot prove the felony they can convict on the misdemeanor

 

[Elixir]

Yes Bragg could have charged misdemeanors, but why bother? Send Mr Trump a ticket for misdemeanors.
If Bragg wasn’t sure that the evidence of CLASS 1 Falsifications (a felony that Bragg didn’t invent) was sufficient to convince a jury, he would not have brought the case. If there’s an acquittal then he was wrong for whatever reason (probably a religious trumpsucker lied to get on the jury). If Cheato is convicted of some or all of these felonies, he was right. I doubt Derec will accept it, any more than I would accept that an acquittal was fair. We shall see, right?