And now the totally expected Trans Bathroom laws result

[Elixir]

The police keep siding with the right wing morons.

Birds of a feather …

 

[TomC]

What we do know that the victim of an alleged assault who had marks on him was arrested for being drunk and disorderly but none of the alleged assailants were arrested.

What you're doing here is making claims because somebody and his mom said so.
Unevidenced claims. But claims you prefer to believe, so you aren't questioning them too deeply.

Sounds religious to me.
Tom

 

[Toni]

I am still struggling to see the justification in examining and criticizing the behavior of a cis woman who verbally confronted a trans man when he was in the woman’s bathroom. Why does THAT deserve so much discussion, rather than the impossible position Ruiz was placed in—and the difficult position of the cis woman who confronted him?

If her behavior had been civil there would not have been three people coming to her supposed rescue.

How civil are women supposed to be when they are surprised by a man in the women’s bathroom?

I get the feeling you think women are wired like one of the characters in Grand Theft Auto.

 

[Toni]

What we do know that the victim of an alleged assault who had marks on him was arrested for being drunk and disorderly but none of the alleged assailants were arrested.

What you're doing here is making claims because somebody and his mom said so.
Unevidenced claims. But claims you prefer to believe, so you aren't questioning them too deeply.

Sounds religious to me.
Tom

What was presented was a news article. Some of us have searched out other articles. They are all extremely similar.

Ruiz does not seem to put any blame on the woman for shouting. Which leads to the question as to why men in this thread are.

No one seems inclined to discuss why. Which leads me to draw my own conclusions.

 

[TomC]

What was presented was a news article. Some of us have searched out other articles. They are all extremely similar.

Similar in what way?
If they're all based on the version of the story being told by Ruiz I would expect them to be similar.

If nobody else is talking to the media, then that's all the media has for clickbait.
Tom

 

[TomC]

Ruiz does not seem to put any blame on the woman for shouting. Which leads to the question as to why men in this thread are.

Who is blaming her for shouting?
Tom

 

[laughing dog]

What we do know that the victim of an alleged assault who had marks on him was arrested for being drunk and disorderly but none of the alleged assailants were arrested.

What you're doing here is making claims because somebody and his mom said so.
Unevidenced claims. But claims you prefer to believe, so you aren't questioning them too deeply.

There you go again, making stuff up. Everything I posted comes from sources.

But hey, you keep reveling in your avowed ignorance just like a YECer.

 

[TomC]

What we do know that the victim of an alleged assault who had marks on him was arrested for being drunk and disorderly but none of the alleged assailants were arrested.

What you're doing here is making claims because somebody and his mom said so.
Unevidenced claims. But claims you prefer to believe, so you aren't questioning them too deeply.

There you go again, making stuff up. Everything I posted comes from sources.

Got a source that isn't based on Ruiz?

If I believed everything on the internet that was sourced from Donald J Trump I'd have different political opinions.
Tom

 

[Toni]

What we do know that the victim of an alleged assault who had marks on him was arrested for being drunk and disorderly but none of the alleged assailants were arrested.

What you're doing here is making claims because somebody and his mom said so.
Unevidenced claims. But claims you prefer to believe, so you aren't questioning them too deeply.

There you go again, making stuff up. Everything I posted comes from sources.

Got a source that isn't based on Ruiz?

If I believed everything on the internet that was sourced from Donald J Trump I'd have different political opinions.
Tom

the article in the OP abd every other article I found was based on statements by Ruiz.

Ruiz does not seem to put any blame on the woman for shouting. Which leads to the question as to why men in this thread are.

Who is blaming her for shouting?
Tom

read the thread yourself.

 

[Bomb#20]

Except you are taking gender as binary.

Could you show me where this happened? Because I don't think it did.

@Bomb#20 distinguishes between sex and gender. Not everyone does.
Lots of IIDB posters flip flop around between sex and gender.
Possibly he did, but I don't remember it. I do remember lots of other members doing so.
Tom

You're taking my words out of context. I already explained why I'm saying it's not binary in this case.

But your explanation is wrong. Your explanation assumes I was talking about Ruiz. I was talking about the "cis woman".

 

[TomC]

article in the OP abd every other article I found was based on statements by Ruiz.

Exactly.
There are no sources other than Ruiz.
Lots of clickbait, but no sources besides him.

read the thread yourself.

I have.
I don't see it. Show me one post where anyone blamed her for shouting.

I don't think you can.
Tom

 

[laughing dog]

What we do know that the victim of an alleged assault who had marks on him was arrested for being drunk and disorderly but none of the alleged assailants were arrested.

What you're doing here is making claims because somebody and his mom said so.
Unevidenced claims. But claims you prefer to believe, so you aren't questioning them too deeply.

There you go again, making stuff up. Everything I posted comes from sources.

Got a source that isn't based on Ruiz?

Yes. I only have my phone and this is the best I could do

Transgender Butler County man says group beat him up over restroom use

The man wants criminal charges filed against his alleged assaulters.

www.fox19.com

If you go about half way down the Preble County Sheriff says the deputies were initially unaware of the assault (his words). Later in the article, it is reported Ruiz filed filed assault charges after his arrest

Which means it is a fact none of the alleged assailants were arrested when Ruiz was. Moreover, contrary to your repeated assertions, Ruiz was arrested for disorderly conduct and obstructing official police business.

So either stop making stuff up or at least acknowledge your glaring double standard.

 

[TomC]

Moreover, contrary to your repeated assertions, Ruiz was arrested for disorderly conduct and obstructing official police business.

What are you talking about?
Ruiz got arrested for disorderly conduct and "obstructing police business"( whatever that is).

Where did I assert anything different?
Tom

 

[laughing dog]

Moreover, contrary to your repeated assertions, Ruiz was arrested for disorderly conduct and obstructing official police business.

What are you talking about?
Ruiz got arrested for disorderly conduct and "obstructing police business"( whatever that is).

Where did I assert anything different?
Tom

Post 302 is one example. Post 378 you do not contest that Ruiz was drunk. We don’t know that he was drunk.

 

[TomC]

Moreover, contrary to your repeated assertions, Ruiz was arrested for disorderly conduct and obstructing official police business.

What are you talking about?
Ruiz got arrested for disorderly conduct and "obstructing police business"( whatever that is).

Where did I assert anything different?
Tom

Post 302 is one example. Post 378 you do not contest that Ruiz was drunk. We don’t know that he was drunk.

Here's post 302

This is exactly the point I keep trying to make.

Nobody knows what actually happened.

Leaving out all the trans and women's security stuff,
What we've got is a bunch of unsupported claims being made by someone claiming victim status. That's it.

People keep filling in details and facts and ascribing motivations. Based almost entirely on their ideological biases.
For all anyone on IIDB knows, Ruiz could have thrown the first punch outside the bathroom. There's simply no way to tell. He got arrested for drunk and disorderly. His mom agreed that he was drunk and disorderly. I see those as more substantial information than his claim to be a victim.
Tom

Where did I claim anything different?

Tom

 

[laughing dog]

Moreover, contrary to your repeated assertions, Ruiz was arrested for disorderly conduct and obstructing official police business.

What are you talking about?
Ruiz got arrested for disorderly conduct and "obstructing police business"( whatever that is).

Where did I assert anything different?
Tom

Post 302 is one example. Post 378 you do not contest that Ruiz was drunk. We don’t know that he was drunk.

Here's post 302

This is exactly the point I keep trying to make.

Nobody knows what actually happened.

Leaving out all the trans and women's security stuff,
What we've got is a bunch of unsupported claims being made by someone claiming victim status. That's it.

People keep filling in details and facts and ascribing motivations. Based almost entirely on their ideological biases.
For all anyone on IIDB knows, Ruiz could have thrown the first punch outside the bathroom. There's simply no way to tell. He got arrested for drunk and disorderly. His mom agreed that he was drunk and disorderly. I see those as more substantial information than his claim to be a victim.
Tom

Where did I claim anything different?

Tom

Your own words in that post “He got arrested for drunk and disorderly”. He wasn’t arrested for being drunk. I realize it is hard to keep track of the stuff you make up, but that was in the text you posted.

 

[Toni]

Like the Sheriff saying Noah Ruiz was intoxicated and belligerent? That is in the article too. You say you know nothing, and part of that is you didn't apparently read the article (or remember any detail after reading it),

Your correct, I didn't read an article about a minor dustup in an Ohio campground. I don't really care enough.

But I almost bothered mentioning the likelihood of alcohol being involved. I didn't know about it in the context of this particular anecdote, but I've got a strong familiarity with American recreational tendencies.
Tom

Then why are you posting in this thread? Genuinely curious.

 

[TomC]

Your own words in that post “He got arrested for drunk and disorderly”. He wasn’t arrested for being drunk. I realize it is hard to keep track of the stuff you make up, but that was in the text you posted.

His mom described that as what happened,

According to "sources" .

What sources are you referring to?
Tom

 

[TomC]

Then why are you posting in this thread? Genuinely curious.

Why do IIDB members post on IIDB if they don't match the dominant ideological group?

Yeah.
Good question. I don't post here all that much any more, if that helps you understand.
Tom

 

[laughing dog]

Your own words in that post “He got arrested for drunk and disorderly”. He wasn’t arrested for being drunk. I realize it is hard to keep track of the stuff you make up, but that was in the text you posted.

His mom described that as what happened,

According to "sources" .

What sources are you referring to?
Tom

That is not what you wrote. You claimed he was arrested for being drunk.

Moreover you have been chastising posters for taking the Ruiz’s word.

I mentioned no sources in my response, so what are you making up now? Or are you referring to post 391? If so, I gave one. If you want more just google Noah Ruiz. All give his version but some - like the one I linked - add details.

https://www.them.us/story/trans-man-noah-ruiz-was-just-trying-to-pee-he-was-assaulted-and-arrested is another one.