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Trump could lose control of famed properties under New York fraud ruling | The Hill
Trump listed his residence at Trump Tower on New York’s 5th Avenue at 30,000 square feet, despite it only being 10,996 square feet. It led to an overvaluation of between $114 million and $207 million, Engoron ruled.

“A discrepancy of this order of magnitude, by a real estate developer sizing up his own living space of decades, can only be considered fraud,” Engoron wrote.

At Trump Park Avenue, also in Manhattan, Engoron ruled the former president inflated the value of various units based on the “false premise” that they were not subject to the city’s strict rent control regime. Trump’s attorneys had countered that the units could potentially become unrestricted down the road.

“However, the SFCs are required to state ‘current’ values, not ‘someday, maybe’ values,” Engoron wrote.

Engoron’s ruling went on to find that Trump, by hundreds of millions of dollars, overvalued Trump Seven Springs, located in New York’s tony Westchester County, and Lower Manhattan’s 40 Wall Street. Trump also fraudulently valued his golf courses in the U.S. and one in Scotland, Engoron ruled.
Not surprisingly,
Trump’s legal spokeswoman said Tuesday night that the former president intends to “immediately” appeal Engoron’s ruling.
I'm not a lawyer, but from what I've heard, the accusations made in the Civil trial were not actually contested in court (Truth Social is technically not a court)... which would seemingly make it near impossible to appeal.
 
Trump could lose control of famed properties under New York fraud ruling | The Hill
Trump listed his residence at Trump Tower on New York’s 5th Avenue at 30,000 square feet, despite it only being 10,996 square feet. It led to an overvaluation of between $114 million and $207 million, Engoron ruled.

“A discrepancy of this order of magnitude, by a real estate developer sizing up his own living space of decades, can only be considered fraud,” Engoron wrote.

At Trump Park Avenue, also in Manhattan, Engoron ruled the former president inflated the value of various units based on the “false premise” that they were not subject to the city’s strict rent control regime. Trump’s attorneys had countered that the units could potentially become unrestricted down the road.

“However, the SFCs are required to state ‘current’ values, not ‘someday, maybe’ values,” Engoron wrote.

Engoron’s ruling went on to find that Trump, by hundreds of millions of dollars, overvalued Trump Seven Springs, located in New York’s tony Westchester County, and Lower Manhattan’s 40 Wall Street. Trump also fraudulently valued his golf courses in the U.S. and one in Scotland, Engoron ruled.
Not surprisingly,
Trump’s legal spokeswoman said Tuesday night that the former president intends to “immediately” appeal Engoron’s ruling.
I'm not a lawyer, but from what I've heard, the accusations made in the Civil trial were not actually contested in court (Truth Social is technically not a court)... which would seemingly make it near impossible to appeal.
When deposed under oath Trump pled the fifth because rhe only thing he could truthfully do was admit to the Fraud (or even other crimes).

When your defense is “I refuse to answer lest I incriminate myself” you are not in a good position.
 
Trump could lose control of famed properties under New York fraud ruling | The Hill
Trump listed his residence at Trump Tower on New York’s 5th Avenue at 30,000 square feet, despite it only being 10,996 square feet. It led to an overvaluation of between $114 million and $207 million, Engoron ruled.

“A discrepancy of this order of magnitude, by a real estate developer sizing up his own living space of decades, can only be considered fraud,” Engoron wrote.

At Trump Park Avenue, also in Manhattan, Engoron ruled the former president inflated the value of various units based on the “false premise” that they were not subject to the city’s strict rent control regime. Trump’s attorneys had countered that the units could potentially become unrestricted down the road.

“However, the SFCs are required to state ‘current’ values, not ‘someday, maybe’ values,” Engoron wrote.

Engoron’s ruling went on to find that Trump, by hundreds of millions of dollars, overvalued Trump Seven Springs, located in New York’s tony Westchester County, and Lower Manhattan’s 40 Wall Street. Trump also fraudulently valued his golf courses in the U.S. and one in Scotland, Engoron ruled.
Not surprisingly,
Trump’s legal spokeswoman said Tuesday night that the former president intends to “immediately” appeal Engoron’s ruling.
I'm not a lawyer, but from what I've heard, the accusations made in the Civil trial were not actually contested in court (Truth Social is technically not a court)... which would seemingly make it near impossible to appeal.
When deposed under oath Trump pled the fifth because rhe only thing he could truthfully do was admit to the Fraud (or even other crimes).

When your defense is “I refuse to answer lest I incriminate myself” you are not in a good position.
Google "Donald Trump pleads the fifth".
I just did. Entertaining and informative results I must say.
Tom
 
I'm not a lawyer, but from what I've heard, the accusations made in the Civil trial were not actually contested in court (Truth Social is technically not a court)... which would seemingly make it near impossible to appeal.
That's my understanding, also. AFIAK your only defenses are you weren't notified (happens all too often with debt collectors) or that extraordinary circumstances prevented you from defending the case.
 
Trumpo the Clown now has two more depositions scheduled for October. Mean old, unAmerican judges won't let him off the hook. Depositions in a case of two FBI agents suing him. And his ex-lawyer Cohen.
 
SCOTUS just declined to hear a man's case brought against Orange that seeks to deny Orange eligibility for public office based on section 3 of the 14th amendment. Does that mean that the states are now free to declare as they see fit?
 
SCOTUS just declined to hear a man's case brought against Orange that seeks to deny Orange eligibility for public office based on section 3 of the 14th amendment. Does that mean that the states are now free to declare as they see fit?
The State Supreme Courts would likely have the final say, if it even got to them, it shouldn't.
 
SCOTUS just declined to hear a man's case brought against Orange that seeks to deny Orange eligibility for public office based on section 3 of the 14th amendment. Does that mean that the states are now free to declare as they see fit?
The State Supreme Courts would likely have the final say, if it even got to them, it shouldn't.
So that is a "Yes?"
 
SCOTUS just declined to hear a man's case brought against Orange that seeks to deny Orange eligibility for public office based on section 3 of the 14th amendment. Does that mean that the states are now free to declare as they see fit?
The State Supreme Courts would likely have the final say, if it even got to them, it shouldn't.
So that is a "Yes?"
I'd say it isn't ever going to happen.
 
SCOTUS just declined to hear a man's case brought against Orange that seeks to deny Orange eligibility for public office based on section 3 of the 14th amendment. Does that mean that the states are now free to declare as they see fit?
The State Supreme Courts would likely have the final say, if it even got to them, it shouldn't.
So that is a "Yes?"
I'd say it isn't ever going to happen.

I don't think that any state is going to declare Trump unfit to run for the presidency on that basis. Without an actual criminal conviction against Trump for having committed an act of sedition, the move would be considered too controversial to take the decision out of the hands of voters.
 

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OTH, Trump has not yet been added to the Wikipedia  List of fraudsters. This may seem like an omission, but I think that he has to be convicted of the frauds first. The Citizens United ruling should have fleshed out the list with more politicians, since they can command such large sums of money now, but many of them come by their wealth as handouts from donors expecting to cash in on influence peddling. Trump, however, is probably one of the most successful fraudsters in American history through his skillful use of the legal and tax systems to accumulate wealth and power. He even managed to rise to the presidency on the success of his ability to scam people, sometimes quite openly and brazenly, without having to pay any consequence for the behavior. We have yet to see whether any of his multiple trials lead to any serious consequences. Most of the people who made the fraudster list only got there because they got caught and punished.
 

:sadyes:

OTH, Trump has not yet been added to the Wikipedia  List of fraudsters. This may seem like an omission, but I think that he has to be convicted of the frauds first. The Citizens United ruling should have fleshed out the list with more politicians, since they can command such large sums of money now, but many of them come by their wealth as handouts from donors expecting to cash in on influence peddling. Trump, however, is probably one of the most successful fraudsters in American history through his skillful use of the legal and tax systems to accumulate wealth and power. He even managed to rise to the presidency on the success of his ability to scam people, sometimes quite openly and brazenly, without having to pay any consequence for the behavior. We have yet to see whether any of his multiple trials lead to any serious consequences. Most of the people who made the fraudster list only got there because they got caught and punished.
And all his supporters wish they could be just as successful in their crimes. It's what makes him their hero.
 

:sadyes:

OTH, Trump has not yet been added to the Wikipedia  List of fraudsters. This may seem like an omission, but I think that he has to be convicted of the frauds first. The Citizens United ruling should have fleshed out the list with more politicians, since they can command such large sums of money now, but many of them come by their wealth as handouts from donors expecting to cash in on influence peddling. Trump, however, is probably one of the most successful fraudsters in American history through his skillful use of the legal and tax systems to accumulate wealth and power. He even managed to rise to the presidency on the success of his ability to scam people, sometimes quite openly and brazenly, without having to pay any consequence for the behavior. We have yet to see whether any of his multiple trials lead to any serious consequences. Most of the people who made the fraudster list only got there because they got caught and punished.
Donnie has spoken...

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

China owned (China Investment Corp, the Country's Sovereign wealth Fund!), and very badly failing, Forbes "Magazine," which lost most of its relevance long ago, and which knows less about me than Stormy Daniels (who doesn't know me at all!) or Rosie O'Donnell, took me off their Fake Forbes 400 list, just by a "whisker," even though they know that I should be high up on that now very dated and discredited "antique." They are working with the Racist and highly incompetent, job killing Attorney General of New York, Letitia "Peekaboo" James, who has allowed Murder and Violent Crime in the State to hit epidemic levels. China owned Forbes is a participant in the Election Interference Scam, and after what I have done to China, with hundreds of billions of dollars being paid to the USA, who can blame them? For years Forbes has attacked me with really dumb writers assigned to hit me hard, and I am now up 60 Points on the Republicans, and beating Crooked Joe by a lot. So much for Forbes!
 
Medbeds? Reminds me of  Orgone - orgone therapy was invented by Freudian Marxist  Wilhelm Reich In his earlier years, he tried to reconcile Freudianism and Marxism, but in later years, he developed the theory of a cosmic substance or energy called orgone. It could be collected in orgone-accumulator boxes and then piped into people to cure a variety of diseases. The Federal Government cracked down hard on him for quackery, and he died in prison.

Martin Gardner's "Fads and Fallacies in the Name of Science" (1952) has a chapter about orgone therapy. The next chapter is on dianetics, which Scientology originally was. MG noted that orgone believers were very indignant that the book associated orgone therapy with dianetics, and dianetics believers felt likewise about associating dianetics with orgone therapy.
 
Martin Gardner's "Fads and Fallacies in the Name of Science" (1952) has a chapter about orgone therapy. The next chapter is on dianetics, which Scientology originally was. MG noted that orgone believers were very indignant that the book associated orgone therapy with dianetics, and dianetics believers felt likewise about associating dianetics with orgone therapy.

Even fraudsters are offended by fraudsters. I'm sure that Trump would be outraged if anyone tried to pull a scam on him.
 
Former Trump campaign aide Jessica Denson scored a long-fought and sweeping victory over her ex-boss on Thursday, when a federal judge voided the 2016 campaign’s nondisclosure agreement as overly restrictive. In addition to awarding Denson her settlement—$450,000 in legal fees to her defense team, and a $25,000 incentive fee to Denson as the representative for the class actionthe ruling frees every member of the 2016 campaign from the agreement, allowing 422 former employees to speak about their experiences without fear of violating their contract. (The order notes that during negotiations the Trump campaign voluntarily released those employees.) The legal muzzle the campaign placed on its employees was so sweeping that it was “invalid and unenforceable,” the judge ruled. Denson, who accused the Trump campaign of sexual discrimination, previously won a lawsuit focused on her personal NDA, then expanded the effort to include the full campaign.
Should be interesting to see what they have to say.
 
Martin Gardner's "Fads and Fallacies in the Name of Science" (1952) has a chapter about orgone therapy. The next chapter is on dianetics, which Scientology originally was. MG noted that orgone believers were very indignant that the book associated orgone therapy with dianetics, and dianetics believers felt likewise about associating dianetics with orgone therapy.
Even fraudsters are offended by fraudsters. I'm sure that Trump would be outraged if anyone tried to pull a scam on him.
These are rank-and-file believers, not leaders.

Martin Gardner described his career in "Orgonomy" in "Fads and Fallacies".

Wilhelm Reich was a protégé of none other than Sigmund Freud himself, and he became a prominent Freudian, holding several teaching and administrative posts in Freudian organizations in Vienna, and writing for Freudian journals.

He started out in the Austrian Socialist Party, then when he moved to Berlin, he joined the Communist Party. Arthur Koestler, in his contribution to "The God That Failed" (Communism), wrote about WR. “Among other members of our cell,” writes Koestler, “I remember Dr. Wilhelm Reich, founder and director of the Sex-Pol (Institute for Sexual Politics). He was a Freudian Marxist; inspired by Malinowski, he had just published a book called "The Function of the Orgasm", in which he expounded the theory that the sexual frustration of the Proletariat caused a thwarting of its political consciousness; only through a full, uninhibited release of the sexual urge could the working-class realize its revolutionary potentialities and historic mission; the whole thing was less cock-eyed than it sounds.”

But the Soviet Communist Party dismissed his writings as "un-Marxist rubbish", and differences with Sigmund Freud and his followers led them to expel him from the International Psychoanalytical Association in 1934.

"Having written in 1933 a book attacking German fascism as the sadistic expression of sex-repressed neurotics, Reich was not looked upon kindly by the Nazis when they came to power."

He fled to Denmark, then to Sweden, then to Norway, where he discovered orgone. After a furious press campaign against his work there, he moved to the US in 1939. After teaching for two years in New York City, he left and founded an Orgone Institute in Long Island, later moving to an estate in Maine.

MG then proposes three interpretations for WR's later career.
(1) He became the world’s greatest biophysicist.
(2) He deteriorated from a competent psychiatrist into a self-deluded crank.
(3) He merely switched to fields in which his former incompetence became more visible.
 
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