McCarthey out as Speaker of the House - Bozo the clown on deck

[Elixir]

While he was a trash speaker he's not Jim Jordan or the current speaker of the house, who to this day still believes in the election fraud.

Oh gimme a break. Gym doesn’t “believe” that BS, it’s a political expediency for him to placate Trump.

 

[blastula]

McCarthy let Jordan chair an impeachment hearing, and let MTG back onto committees this term (probably to get her vote for speaker). There is no real difference.

 

[Gospel]

We're doomed. Everybody is blind.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

While he was a trash speaker he's not Jim Jordan or the current speaker of the house, who to this day still believes in the election fraud.

Oh gimme a break. Gym doesn’t “believe” that BS, it’s a political expediency for him to placate Trump.

Quite true. Once you stop listening to what people say and instead judge them by what they do, you are well on your way to becoming a mature, rational adult.

 

[Gospel]

While he was a trash speaker he's not Jim Jordan or the current speaker of the house, who to this day still believes in the election fraud.

Oh gimme a break. Gym doesn’t “believe” that BS, it’s a political expediency for him to placate Trump.

I recognize that many view these individuals with skepticism. I'm not contesting that perspective. Nonetheless, while some are favored by the far-right, others are simply opportunists, swayed by political convenience. The current political landscape allows the far-right to exert significant influence over Republican leaders. Without a reliable alliance with the Democrats, these leaders might continue to gravitate towards the far-right, risking a total collapse. I mean, why the fuck shouldn't they? Just look at what happened to Liz Cheney for example?

She distanced herself from Trump, leading to a backlash from fellow Republicans, essentially telling her to take a hike. Meanwhile, Democratic voters, considering her previous political stances, also expressed disdain. What a beautifully decorated cake republican's are being offered while their team is collapsing. If I were a Republican officeholder, approached by Democrats to collaborate, my response would simply be "the cake is a lie." I find myself amidst an ongoing struggle to prevent my party from succumbing to ineffectual extremism. Assisting you could jeopardize my efforts, and I am under no illusion that your concern for my political survival would be minimal at best.

At the same time, the far-right is steadily consolidating its power. Although maintaining McCarthy’s leadership would have been a bitter pill to swallow (we're used to that with Hillary mmkay?), it could have potentially emboldened the more moderate voices within the ranks—acknowledging, of course, the prevalent perception that they are all cut from the same cloth. With McCarthy in place, these moderates might have found the courage to voice their opinions, utilizing Democratic support as a strategic advantage in their internal struggles.

Currently, they find themselves exceedingly vulnerable to the far-right's influence. So much so, that a mere phone call from Trump—a former U.S. president now facing criminal charges—has had an immediate impact. It prompts the question: When in America’s history has such a scenario ever unfolded?

Fuck man, I don't know what else to say.

 

[Elixir]

Just look at what happened to Liz Cheney for example?

I like to look at that, and wonder why more Republicans don’t do as she has done. Her voice cost her a seat, but converted her from just another congresscritter to a household-named top level influencer, replete with constant TV appearances. Her book “Oath and Honor” first edition prices are already going up. She’ll be just fine if no Trumpsucker shoots her.
What “happened to her” would be a fucking pipedream for most Americans even if they never got a seat in Congress.

That said … good post. Unfortunately.

 

[Gospel]

Thanks. Liz was replaced by someone further right than she was.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

Fuck man, I don't know what else to say.

Frustration noted. Join the club.

 

[Copernicus]

Thanks. Liz was replaced by someone further right than she was.

Actually, the entire GOP has been replaced by a party further right than it was. Liz Cheney was just an instance of that.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

Thanks. Liz was replaced by someone further right than she was.

Actually, the entire GOP has been replaced by a party further right than it was. Liz Cheney was just an instance of that.

I read "further right" as "less rational."

 

[Elixir]

Thanks. Liz was replaced by someone further right than she was.

Actually, the entire GOP has been replaced by a party further right than it was. Liz Cheney was just an instance of that.

I read "further right" as "less rational."

The more I learn about MJ, the more I suspect he will destroy either the MAGA Party or the Country. Or both.
A real life religious wackadoodle.

 

[Derec]

It is possible the Democrats looked at the situation and saw that there was no feasible GOP speaker in the current GOP lot. Instead of submitting to a disaster, they decided to let the GOP stew in their fetid mess to show the public how incompetent they are in the hopes of a longer term gain for the country and themselves.

The Dems hold the Senate so they can minimize any damage the House tries to inflict on the world

"Longer term gain" for themselves. The country only loses from this mess.
Again, Dems put party ahead of country.

 

[Derec]

Or, and I understand how this escapes you, it might prove once and for all the GOP is not fit to govern and in fact the GOP is the best example to why a one party state works. It shouldn't but if the alternative is these cunts...

The decision to join the 8 MAGAS and undermine McCarthy strengthened the fringe. This mess is to a large extent on the House Democrats.
And the prospect of a one-party state is scary. I am not surprised you advocate it though.

I'm sorry Derec. Your McGovern Democrats don't exist anymore - and won't be coming back.

Who are "my" McGovern Democrats exactly? I think Dems like Rashida Talib (Hamas-MI) are as incapable of governing as Gaetz. Less so, actually. Gaetz does not actively believe a terrorist organization over the president from his own party.

 

[Derec]

Do you know how many Republicans voted for Nancy Pelosi for speaker over her career? Not one.

How many times did Nancy Pelosi face a motion to vacate? And all Dems joined the 8 MAGA knuckleheads to vacate.

You're clearly asking for a double standard.

Even if I was, "the other kids are doing it too" is not an excuse for your own boneheaded behavior.
But I do not think it is. Had Pelosi faced a motion to ax her by 8 Squaddies, and there was a danger of somebody like Pramila Jayapal getting the gavel, I would have said that Democrats should swallow their pride and vote "no" as well.

 

[TomC]

Again, Dems put party ahead of country.

You've posted that before. But you've never been willing to explain what you mean by it.

Might you try?
Tom

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Do you know how many Republicans voted for Nancy Pelosi for speaker over her career? Not one.

How many times did Nancy Pelosi face a motion to vacate? And all Dems joined the 8 MAGA knuckleheads to vacate.

You're clearly asking for a double standard.

Even if I was, "the other kids are doing it too" is not an excuse for your own boneheaded behavior.
But I do not think it is. Had Pelosi faced a motion to ax her by 8 Squaddies, and there was a danger of somebody like Pramila Jayapal getting the gavel, I would have said that Democrats should swallow their pride and vote "no" as well.

Do you live on Planet Earth?

 

[Derec]

Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.

Democrats and Republicans treating each other as the "enemy" as opposed to merely political adversaries, but ultimately both on Team USA, is what is at the root of our problems right now.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.

Democrats and Republicans treating each other as the "enemy" as opposed to merely political adversaries, but ultimately both on Team USA, is what is at the root of our problems right now.

Right....one team trying to undo democracy and the other is just as bad because they were for democracy. Why can't they just compromise? Maybe just impeach Biden on 3.5 charges instead of 7. Or look at 20,000 hours of Hunter Biden laptop porn in committee instead of 40,000.

 

[Derec]

You think that the Dems put party over country?

Yes. Vast majority of Reps voted to keep McCarthy. Dems joined the 8 MAGAs out of sheer spite. Even though they know McCarthy is most likely the best speaker they can get in the current Congress.

Despite the fact that Gaetz started this and the Republican members kept the fires going for weeks?

He and his 7 fellow fire starters could not have gotten anywhere without help from the Dems.

Lemme give you a clue.
Gaetz is a Republican.
MTG, who said she would only vote for Trump as Speaker, is also a Republican.

And Dems voted with them. In order to spite McCarthy. Even though they managed to negotiate a debt ceiling and avert the shutdown with him with pretty favorable terms to the Dems. Negotiating with this Johnson fellow will be much harder.
So why again do you think it was a good idea for Dems to vote with Gaetz?

And you still think it's the Democrats who are putting party over country?

In that particular vote, yes. Yes, they did. It left the House speakerless for weeks and has now given us a speaker far more conservative than McCarthy. All the while the government shutdown is looming. Not to mention the Ukraine and Gaza wars.

What did they think would happen? That Hakeem Jeffries would miraculously get elected speaker if they vote long enough?
\(\lim_{n\rightarrow\infty}votes(Hakeem)=218\)

 

[TomC]

Yes. Vast majority of Reps voted to keep McCarthy.

Republicans are the House majority.

McCarthy lost his post because Republican members of Congress didn't vote for him. After a Republican, Gaetz, decided to to take it to a vote.
This isn't rocket science. The Republicans got rid of McCarthy for their own reasons. Pretending that it was because Democrats is painfully stupid.
Tom