The Race For 2024

[Shadowy Man]

Any comments on the substance of the decision? Can you point out where in Maine’s Secretary of State’s ruling she got it wrong?

I mean, that’s kind of answered already by the fact that he did not choose to comment on the substance of the decision.
He chose namecalling and attempting to poison the well as his argument.
Which is to say, he could find nothing wrong with her ruling that he could talk about.

So, there’s your sign.

Yes. I didn’t expect a cogent response. It was mostly a rhetorical question.

 

[Politesse]

Another fascist attempting to "save democracy";

Maine's secretary of state has said she would welcome the Supreme Court reviewing her decision to disqualify Donald Trump from the primary ballot, admitting the move was unprecedented. Sheena Bellows on Thursday ruled that Trump could not be on their ballot, in a move which mirrored the December 19 decision made by Colorado's Supreme Court.

Daily Mail

The USA is starting to resemble Iran.

I'm not saying you're full of shit, but perhaps you could cite an example of when an analogous incident happened in Iran?

In Iran, only candidates vetted and approved by the clergy can stand for presidential elections. This is what is going on in the state of Maine and Colorado. Trump displeases them.

How is this situation similar in any way? There are no clergy. No one has been "vetted". There are plenty of Trumpist candidates on both the Maine and Colorado ballots, identical to Trump on every policy position. He wasn't disqualified on the grounds of ideology at all.

 

[TSwizzle]

Another fascist attempting to "save democracy";

Maine's secretary of state has said she would welcome the Supreme Court reviewing her decision to disqualify Donald Trump from the primary ballot, admitting the move was unprecedented. Sheena Bellows on Thursday ruled that Trump could not be on their ballot, in a move which mirrored the December 19 decision made by Colorado's Supreme Court.

Daily Mail

The USA is starting to resemble Iran.

I'm not saying you're full of shit, but perhaps you could cite an example of when an analogous incident happened in Iran?

In Iran, only candidates vetted and approved by the clergy can stand for presidential elections. This is what is going on in the state of Maine and Colorado. Trump displeases them.

How is this situation similar in any way? There are no clergy. No one has been "vetted". There are plenty of Trumpist candidates on both the Maine and Colorado ballots, identical to Trump on every policy position. He wasn't disqualified on the grounds of ideology at all.

Sure, Jan.

 

[Politesse]

Another fascist attempting to "save democracy";

Maine's secretary of state has said she would welcome the Supreme Court reviewing her decision to disqualify Donald Trump from the primary ballot, admitting the move was unprecedented. Sheena Bellows on Thursday ruled that Trump could not be on their ballot, in a move which mirrored the December 19 decision made by Colorado's Supreme Court.

Daily Mail

The USA is starting to resemble Iran.

I'm not saying you're full of shit, but perhaps you could cite an example of when an analogous incident happened in Iran?

In Iran, only candidates vetted and approved by the clergy can stand for presidential elections. This is what is going on in the state of Maine and Colorado. Trump displeases them.

How is this situation similar in any way? There are no clergy. No one has been "vetted". There are plenty of Trumpist candidates on both the Maine and Colorado ballots, identical to Trump on every policy position. He wasn't disqualified on the grounds of ideology at all.

Sure, Jan.

Is that the new "roll eyes"?

 

[pood]

Another fascist attempting to "save democracy";

Maine's secretary of state has said she would welcome the Supreme Court reviewing her decision to disqualify Donald Trump from the primary ballot, admitting the move was unprecedented. Sheena Bellows on Thursday ruled that Trump could not be on their ballot, in a move which mirrored the December 19 decision made by Colorado's Supreme Court.

Daily Mail

The USA is starting to resemble Iran.

I'm not saying you're full of shit, but perhaps you could cite an example of when an analogous incident happened in Iran?

In Iran, only candidates vetted and approved by the clergy can stand for presidential elections. This is what is going on in the state of Maine and Colorado. Trump displeases them.

How is this situation similar in any way? There are no clergy. No one has been "vetted". There are plenty of Trumpist candidates on both the Maine and Colorado ballots, identical to Trump on every policy position. He wasn't disqualified on the grounds of ideology at all.

Sure, Jan.

Is that the new "roll eyes"?

No, it’s “I have no answer to your question so instead of even trying to engage in reasoned discussion, I am going to dis you with a juvenile insult I keep on a Save-Get key.”

 

[bilby]

Is it possible for the board software to automatically expand the phrase "Sure, Jan." to "I was mistaken. My position is untenable, and I apologise for having posted something I hadn't adequately thought through."?

Just to avoid confusion for any new members who may be unfamiliar with that abbbreviation.

 

[Shadowy Man]

Another fascist attempting to "save democracy";

Maine's secretary of state has said she would welcome the Supreme Court reviewing her decision to disqualify Donald Trump from the primary ballot, admitting the move was unprecedented. Sheena Bellows on Thursday ruled that Trump could not be on their ballot, in a move which mirrored the December 19 decision made by Colorado's Supreme Court.

Daily Mail

The USA is starting to resemble Iran.

I'm not saying you're full of shit, but perhaps you could cite an example of when an analogous incident happened in Iran?

In Iran, only candidates vetted and approved by the clergy can stand for presidential elections. This is what is going on in the state of Maine and Colorado. Trump displeases them.

How is this situation similar in any way? There are no clergy. No one has been "vetted". There are plenty of Trumpist candidates on both the Maine and Colorado ballots, identical to Trump on every policy position. He wasn't disqualified on the grounds of ideology at all.

Sure, Jan.

Ok, Boomer.

 

[Swammerdami]

Any comments on the substance of the decision? Can you point out where in Maine’s Secretary of State’s ruling she got it wrong?

I mean, that’s kind of answered already by the fact that he did not choose to comment on the substance of the decision.
He chose namecalling and attempting to poison the well as his argument.
Which is to say, he could find nothing wrong with her ruling that he could talk about.

So, there’s your sign.

Yes. I didn’t expect a cogent response. It was mostly a rhetorical question.

Yes. And some rhetorical questions are barely a thin line away from sarcasm.
Recently in another thread, one Infidel chastised himself for not making the blatant sarcasm in his discription of Haley's recent comment even more obviously sarcastic.

But I think we should give Shadowy Man a pass here. No Infidel familiar with the players would ever imagine that a straightforward reply to a straightforward question could ever have been expected here.

Is it possible for the board software to automatically expand the phrase "Sure, Jan." to "I was mistaken. My position is untenable, and I apologise for having posted something I hadn't adequately thought through."?

Just to avoid confusion for any new members who may be unfamiliar with that abbbreviation.

I'm sure RayJ could do that if he wanted to, but there are several other similar abbreviations in use on this Forum. Perhaps you might start a thread to make a list of such mappings.

 

[ZiprHead]

Another fascist attempting to "save democracy";

Maine's secretary of state has said she would welcome the Supreme Court reviewing her decision to disqualify Donald Trump from the primary ballot, admitting the move was unprecedented. Sheena Bellows on Thursday ruled that Trump could not be on their ballot, in a move which mirrored the December 19 decision made by Colorado's Supreme Court.

Daily Mail

The USA is starting to resemble Iran.

I'm not saying you're full of shit, but perhaps you could cite an example of when an analogous incident happened in Iran?

In Iran, only candidates vetted and approved by the clergy can stand for presidential elections. This is what is going on in the state of Maine and Colorado. Trump displeases them.

You should really take that up with the people that wrote and enacted the 14th ammendment.

"No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability."

 

[ZiprHead]

Arkansas rules online news personality Cenk Uygur won't qualify for Democratic presidential primary

Arkansas election officials say online news personality Cenk Uygur is ineligible to appear on the ballot in the state's Democratic presidential primary next year.

apnews.com

Oh, noes!!!! We're just like Iran!!!



That pesky 14th amendment...

 

[Patooka]

The USA is starting to resemble Iran.

Once again showing why you should not form your opinions based on the daily mail. Iran is a country where they rewarded the people who performed an insurrection with allowing them to be the Government. America is doing the exact opposite.

I hope that clears things up. You're welcome.

 

[Rhea]

Is it possible for the board software to automatically expand the phrase "Sure, Jan." to "I was mistaken. My position is untenable, and I apologise for having posted something I hadn't adequately thought through."?

Just to avoid confusion for any new members who may be unfamiliar with that abbbreviation.

Or, for the humor of it…

https://iidb.org/threads/phrases-that-mean-i-have-no-argument-but-i-want-to-post-a-neener-neener.27917/

 

[Elixir]

So, there’s your sign.

Yabut you have yet to address the most powerful, most rational argument. Note the ease with which this inconvenient fact is disposed of:

There are plenty of Trumpist candidates on both the Maine and Colorado ballots, identical to Trump on every policy position. He wasn't disqualified on the grounds of ideology at all.

“Sure, Jan”.

 

[Politesse]

So, there’s your sign.

Yabut you have yet to address the most powerful, most rational argument. Note the ease with which this inconvenient fact is disposed of:

There are plenty of Trumpist candidates on both the Maine and Colorado ballots, identical to Trump on every policy position. He wasn't disqualified on the grounds of ideology at all.

“Sure, Jan”.

Who knew Marcia was going to grow up to be a peddler of right wing nonsense?

 

[thebeave]

So, there’s your sign.

Yabut you have yet to address the most powerful, most rational argument. Note the ease with which this inconvenient fact is disposed of:

There are plenty of Trumpist candidates on both the Maine and Colorado ballots, identical to Trump on every policy position. He wasn't disqualified on the grounds of ideology at all.

“Sure, Jan”.

Who knew Marcia was going to grow up to be a peddler of right wing nonsense?

Poor Marcia. They just never leave her alone. I remember a few years ago she got dragged into the anti-vaccination nuttery, because of an episode of The Brady Bunch from 1969 where she got measles and said (paraphrasing) that measles is no big deal. Anti-vax groups actually used that to justify avoiding the measles vaccine! Argumentum ad Marcia, I guess?!

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Another fascist attempting to "save democracy";

Maine's secretary of state has said she would welcome the Supreme Court reviewing her decision to disqualify Donald Trump from the primary ballot, admitting the move was unprecedented. Sheena Bellows on Thursday ruled that Trump could not be on their ballot, in a move which mirrored the December 19 decision made by Colorado's Supreme Court.

Daily Mail

The USA is starting to resemble Iran.

I'm not saying you're full of shit, but perhaps you could cite an example of when an analogous incident happened in Iran?

In Iran, only candidates vetted and approved by the clergy can stand for presidential elections. This is what is going on in the state of Maine and Colorado. Trump displeases them.

And why shouldn't the 14th apply?

 

[Elixir]

And why shouldn't the 14th apply?

Because it’s a Republican mobster, and laws like the US Constitution are for little people like you, not twice impeached, 4x indicted ex-president Republican mobsters.

 

[Derec]

And why shouldn't the 14th apply?

There is a question of 14.3's applicability to the presidency and vice-presidency. Note that their electors are mentioned, but they themselves are not. That is a curious difference with Article II, Section 4 where both are mentioned explicitly with regard to impeachment.
Also, 14.5 explicitly gives power to enforce provisions of the 14th Amendment to Congress. That includes defining what constitutes an "insurrection". Neither state courts nor state SecStates are given that power by 14.5.

In the end, the issue will have to be decided by SCOTUS.

 

[Derec]

Because it’s a Republican mobster, and laws like the US Constitution are for little people like you, not twice impeached, 4x indicted ex-president Republican mobsters.

Is everything partisan to you?

 

[Shadowy Man]

And why shouldn't the 14th apply?

There is a question of 14.3's applicability to the presidency and vice-presidency

According the comments of Constitutional scholars whom I have heard interviewed there is not a serious question about that.

. Note that their electors are mentioned, but they themselves are not. That is a curious difference with Article II, Section 4 where both are mentioned explicitly with regard to impeachment.
Also, 14.5 explicitly gives power to enforce provisions of the 14th Amendment to Congress. Not state courts, much less state SecStates.

in the absence of a federal law it would seem that state law would hold and that was followed quite well in Maine for example.

In the end, the issue will have to be decided by SCOTUS.

I think everyone agrees on that. Hard to believe they wouldn’t take this on.