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[bilby]

the killer who decapitated his father's head

He cut his father's head's head off?

Also: @Jimmy Higgins - Too slow.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

This person almost certainly was suffering from serious mental illness problems. Calling a person suffering from severe mental illness a MAGAtard (as silly as that is in the first place) really has no place in civil discussion.

He was definitely a MAGAtard and whether he was suffering mental illness is still a question.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

So far, based on what I've read and heard on the news, the killer who decapitated his father's head had no history of mental illness, but he was a MAGA extremist. He might have been mentally ill, but I'm tired of seeing the mentally ill being blamed for these outrageous violent crimes.

The people who stormed the Capitol Building on January 6th to overthrow a democratic election were a mob of radically partisan people. While some of them were probably suffering from some form of mental illness, the majority of them were most likely white collar manager types who have been lied to for decades and they are also deplorable.

A person murdering his father and cutting his head off, that sounds like a great deal of mental illness. It takes a ton of rage or paranoia to do that.

The majority of mentally ill people aren't violent. I guess sometimes people suddenly lost it, but what influences cause their behavior to become extreme?

There have been numerous instances of otherwise sane people getting caught up in the MAGA cult and committing acts of violence. That includes most of the people who were among those arrested for their crimes on Jan 6th, 2021. A lot of information is coming out about the latest MAGA inspired criminal. He ranted against minorities, wrote some books about survivalism, insisted that all federal employees should be killed, and spent an awful lot of time on social media. Then he posts his crime on social media. This type of thing seems to becoming more common as well. Why?

Seems to be a cyclical thing. My Dad said that when times are too good for too long, people get stupid. And history shows likewise when things are bad. This seems to indicate that given enough time, enough people get stupid. With right-wing propaganda on 24/7, these people are absorbing so much bullshit, for so long, they are permanently detached from reality.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

the killer who decapitated his father's head

He cut his father's head's head off?

You know they used to do stuff like that in Japan until they became a more civil European society.

 

[RVonse]

Our country is in an extremely sad state of affairs.

I agree.

This country is fucked! I just most people vote blue no matter who this fall or we're screwed.

We got where we are by voting for the same people who were from the same red and blue parties. At least 50% of where we are today is because people voted for the blue party people. Where we have arrived has to be at least 50% due to the same kind of blue democrats like Obama who promised hope and change but did not deliver.

So if you want the same kind of fucked up country that you enjoy... then you should vote exactly like you always have.

 

[RVonse]

Seems to be a cyclical thing. My Dad said that when times are too good for too long, people get stupid.

I agree with your Dad. But there are 2 other factors: 1) like extreme wealth disparity which is a positive feedback loop since those having the wealth also control the laws that keep it that way (Democrats are right about this). And 2) our federal government has become too bloated, too concentrated tyrannical and centralized, too many regulations, too many administrators, gross incompetence that can't ever go away (Republicans are right about this).

If history is any guide, the only way to fix these factors is to go to war.

 

[Shadowy Man]

… Obama who promised hope and change but did not deliver.

if Obama had just realized that much of the American populace would prefer a dictator over a President perhaps he could delivered on that change.

 

[RVonse]

… Obama who promised hope and change but did not deliver.

if Obama had just realized that much of the American populace would prefer a dictator over a President perhaps he could delivered on that change.

Wasn't Obama the first president to kill American citizens using death drones at his command? That sounds more like a dictator than a President to me. Did Obama do anything to undue the tyrannical TSA or Department of Homeland Security? Did Obama help to keep the US out of the violence not voted on by congress?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Yeah, ain't this funny.

Seems to be a cyclical thing. My Dad said that when times are too good for too long, people get stupid.

I agree with your Dad. But there are 2 other factors: 1) like extreme wealth disparity which is a positive feedback loop since those having the wealth also control the laws that keep it that way (Democrats are right about this).

The super powerful have too much power.

And 2) our federal government has become too bloated, too concentrated tyrannical and centralized, too many regulations, too many administrators, gross incompetence that can't ever go away (Republicans are right about this).

But we shouldn't do anything about it.

Too many regulators? How many food recalls have there been recently?

If history is any guide, the only way to fix these factors is to go to war.

Your history is awful. The US managed not to go to war and through a lot of hard work, sacrifice, etc... managed to make Unions a thing. What we need is reasonable tax policy and people rehumanizing the rest of America, even if they don't agree with them.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Our country is in an extremely sad state of affairs.

I agree.

This country is fucked! I just most people vote blue no matter who this fall or we're screwed.

We got where we are by voting for the same people who were from the same red and blue parties. At least 50% of where we are today is because people voted for the blue party people. Where we have arrived has to be at least 50% due to the same kind of blue democrats like Obama who promised hope and change but did not deliver.

As memory serves, Fox started getting protests planned less an a month into his Presidency. The astroturf protests went on in Summer, without much to be protesting.

Obama managed to push forward the Dreamers initiative to deal with the children of illegals, instead of just ignoring it like the GOP have done for a couple decades, and managed to get the ACA through, which while highly unpopular back then, is somewhat of a rock these days. That would be two huge changes. The "hope"? He tried. Trump was too busy lying about a breakthrough on the birth certificate for it to get through.

So if you want the same kind of fucked up country that you enjoy... then you should vote exactly like you always have.

The Presidents I voted for didn't put judges on the bench that ruled abortion could be illegal again or that the FDA couldn't approve a particular medication.

 

[ZiprHead]

Seems to be a cyclical thing. My Dad said that when times are too good for too long, people get stupid.

I agree with your Dad. But there are 2 other factors: 1) like extreme wealth disparity which is a positive feedback loop since those having the wealth also control the laws that keep it that way (Democrats are right about this).

Your orange god made that far worse. He made it so that for the first time in our history the rich paid less in income taxes than the middle class.

And 2) our federal government has become too bloated, too concentrated tyrannical and centralized, too many regulations, too many administrators, gross incompetence that can't ever go away (Republicans are right about this).

If history is any guide, the only way to fix these factors is to go to war.

You speak in a lot of vague generalities that are all right-wing talking points and they all lead to more money for the wealthy. When you can put some meat on that bone maybe we can talk.

 

[Emily Lake]

This person almost certainly was suffering from serious mental illness problems. Calling a person suffering from severe mental illness a MAGAtard (as silly as that is in the first place) really has no place in civil discussion.

Beheading a public servant, shooting up a pizza store, breaking into Pelosi's house with a hammer, mailing pipe bombs... Sure you could argue that is mental illness. I would say more importantly it's a pattern involving MAGAtards. And this pattern has a distinct and measurable degree of escalation after each act.

There's a problem with political divisiveness in the US right now. It's not limited to only one side, unless you think CHOP/CHAS and the anarchy in Portland are somehow not influenced by politics. Almost any sort of organized gathering on a topic that touches on a political topic ends up with violent counter-protesters showing up.

It's a really big, really serious problem.

 

[Emily Lake]

I can't figure out if you're saying Russia didn't invade Ukraine? Or if the invasion was imperialistic in nature? Or something else. I honestly don't know how to parse that.

I am saying you need to ease up on nazi propaganda.

I wasn't replying to you in the first goddamned place, so perhaps stow your desire to insinuate that I'm a nazi supporter until you learn how to fucking read.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

This person almost certainly was suffering from serious mental illness problems. Calling a person suffering from severe mental illness a MAGAtard (as silly as that is in the first place) really has no place in civil discussion.

Beheading a public servant, shooting up a pizza store, breaking into Pelosi's house with a hammer, mailing pipe bombs... Sure you could argue that is mental illness. I would say more importantly it's a pattern involving MAGAtards. And this pattern has a distinct and measurable degree of escalation after each act.

There's a problem with political divisiveness in the US right now. It's not limited to only one side, unless you think CHOP/CHAS and the anarchy in Portland are somehow not influenced by politics.

Anarchy? And yes, the absurdly partisan issue we have in the US is closer to being one-sided. This doesn't make liberals holy by any means, but Trump supporters appear to be divorced from reality. You'd swear it was a mockumentary. Meanwhile the other issue is the gross gerrymandering that has given the GOP a substantial advantage in the US House and legislatures across the country.

Almost any sort of organized gathering on a topic that touches on a political topic ends up with violent counter-protesters showing up.

Don't recall seeing that in Washington on January 6th.

It's a really big, really serious problem.

The other problem is what people consider the really serious problems, like drag shows... wait that isn't a serious problem now... like CRT... no that isn't in right-wing media anymore... The Border! We are being invaded!!!! Until four months from now when we'll be besieged by the next huge issue... Singaporeans who are secret Communist Spies.

 

[southernhybrid]

So far, based on what I've read and heard on the news, the killer who decapitated his father's head had no history of mental illness, but he was a MAGA extremist. He might have been mentally ill, but I'm tired of seeing the mentally ill being blamed for these outrageous violent crimes.

The people who stormed the Capitol Building on January 6th to overthrow a democratic election were a mob of radically partisan people. While some of them were probably suffering from some form of mental illness, the majority of them were most likely white collar manager types who have been lied to for decades and they are also deplorable.

A person murdering his father and cutting his head off, that sounds like a great deal of mental illness. It takes a ton of rage or paranoia to do that.

The majority of mentally ill people aren't violent. I guess sometimes people suddenly lost it, but what influences cause their behavior to become extreme?

There have been numerous instances of otherwise sane people getting caught up in the MAGA cult and committing acts of violence. That includes most of the people who were among those arrested for their crimes on Jan 6th, 2021. A lot of information is coming out about the latest MAGA inspired criminal. He ranted against minorities, wrote some books about survivalism, insisted that all federal employees should be killed, and spent an awful lot of time on social media. Then he posts his crime on social media. This type of thing seems to becoming more common as well. Why?

Seems to be a cyclical thing. My Dad said that when times are too good for too long, people get stupid. And history shows likewise when things are bad. This seems to indicate that given enough time, enough people get stupid. With right-wing propaganda on 24/7, these people are absorbing so much bullshit, for so long, they are permanently detached from reality.

Our country is in an extremely sad state of affairs.

I agree.

This country is fucked! I just most people vote blue no matter who this fall or we're screwed.

We got where we are by voting for the same people who were from the same red and blue parties. At least 50% of where we are today is because people voted for the blue party people. Where we have arrived has to be at least 50% due to the same kind of blue democrats like Obama who promised hope and change but did not deliver.

So if you want the same kind of fucked up country that you enjoy... then you should vote exactly like you always have.

Nonsense. It has to do with things like climate change denial, gun violence, denying help to those who need it the most, book bans, etc, along with the insanity of Trump. It's not the Dems who are the total fuck ups. It's the MAGAites who are totally devoted to Trump. And, sure, we need a border plan, but the damn Repugs won't pass it because their master told them not to, as it might make Biden look good.

So, just hold your nose and vote blue. If Liz Chaney, who doesn't agree with his politics any more than he agrees with her, can support him and can show so much respect for all of those who worked on the Jan. 6th committee with her, regardless of their politics, can vote blue, so can you!

 

[RVonse]

Yeah, ain't this funny.

And 2) our federal government has become too bloated, too concentrated tyrannical and centralized, too many regulations, too many administrators, gross incompetence that can't ever go away (Republicans are right about this).

But we shouldn't do anything about it.

Too many regulators? How many food recalls have there been recently?

From google: Figures published by the International Monetary Fund for 2022 shows general government spending at $9,372 billion, or 36.7% of GDP.

A government of nearly 37% of GDP is becoming more like USSR communism than capitalism. If everyone works for or gets paid by the government what happens to the private economy? Maybe communism would work out if there was an incentive for people to produce but the reality is there are no known successful communist economies. And that's just the monetary aspect of the government not mentioning the tyranny it is too powerful. Our too powerful federal government is also a positive feedback loop....and at a certain point it becomes impossible for the federal government to ever to become smaller again without something really extreme like a big war.

 

[ZiprHead]

36.7

 

[ZiprHead]

Look at all those commie countries.

https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/exp@FPP/USA/FRA/JPN/GBR/SWE/ESP/ITA/ZAF/IND

 

[Emily Lake]

So, just hold your nose and vote blue.

This reads a whole lot like "Vote Democrat or you're an evil person"

 

[Emily Lake]

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Look at all those commie countries.

https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/exp@FPP/USA/FRA/JPN/GBR/SWE/ESP/ITA/ZAF/IND

What criteria and sorting are you using for the image you posted?