Dem Post Mortem

[Emily Lake]

This strikes me as a strange point. I do not consider myself personally responsible for every action the federal government or some president takes, no. If it's actually my family that did something, that's another matter. But either way, as long as this democracy stands we have the right and the responsibility to celebrate the government when it does good and criticize it when it errs.

This is a fair point... but I'll also point out that a whole lot of people don't criticize the government when the government errs. They criticize their fellow citizens when their preferred party doesn't win out.

 

[Emily Lake]

Though if you think Republicans and Democrats are equally likely to use racial and sexual slurs in the age of Donald "Grabembythepussy" Trump

FWIW, I've seen far more blatant use of slurs by leftists than by rightists. In particular, I see hardcore progressive anti-racists use the N-word with abandon, under the pretence of putting those words into the mouth of someone they view as being right-wing (regardless of whether it's true). Over the past 20+ years of posting on various internet forums, I have yet to see an actual conservative use blatantly racist or sexist language ever... but I've seen such slurs posted by progressives many many times.

 

[JohnG]

Though if you think Republicans and Democrats are equally likely to use racial and sexual slurs in the age of Donald "Grabembythepussy" Trump

FWIW, I've seen far more blatant use of slurs by leftists than by rightists. In particular, I see hardcore progressive anti-racists use the N-word with abandon, under the pretence of putting those words into the mouth of someone they view as being right-wing (regardless of whether it's true). Over the past 20+ years of posting on various internet forums, I have yet to see an actual conservative use blatantly racist or sexist language ever... but I've seen such slurs posted by progressives many many times.

Good grief I have personal interactions in Canada where conservatives use the N word let alone internet forums

 

[Politesse]

This strikes me as a strange point. I do not consider myself personally responsible for every action the federal government or some president takes, no. If it's actually my family that did something, that's another matter. But either way, as long as this democracy stands we have the right and the responsibility to celebrate the government when it does good and criticize it when it errs.

This is a fair point... but I'll also point out that a whole lot of people don't criticize the government when the government errs. They criticize their fellow citizens when their preferred party doesn't win out.

This is a habit I disapprove of in the strongest terms.

 

[Emily Lake]

This strikes me as a strange point. I do not consider myself personally responsible for every action the federal government or some president takes, no. If it's actually my family that did something, that's another matter. But either way, as long as this democracy stands we have the right and the responsibility to celebrate the government when it does good and criticize it when it errs.

This is a fair point... but I'll also point out that a whole lot of people don't criticize the government when the government errs. They criticize their fellow citizens when their preferred party doesn't win out.

This is a habit I disapprove of in the strongest terms.

You and me both.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Sorry guys, but according to most of my female friends and my sister, as well as myself, one of the biggest reasons that Harris lost is because she is a female and not enough people in this country will vote for a female who is running for president.

lol, the biggest reason Harris lost was because she offered nothing.

Which is a good thing. Political changes are mostly negative.

 

[ZiprHead]

Why do you believe that Trump's view is representative of all conservatives?

What leads you to feel that the ads for a single specific candidate represent the views of all conservatives?

What mockery did Fox push that specified college educations? Why do you assume that infotainment has the beliefs of all conservatives nailed?

Why do you always argue using strawmen?

What part of those posts do you think is a strawman?

all conservatives

all conservatives

all conservatives

Is it your contention that Poli secretly mean "some few conservatives" when he said this:

Since conservatives hate Mexicans, trans people, and college education, it's a perfect wedge issue.

No. You said "all conservatives."

"all conservatives."

"all conservatives."

I'm addressing your posts that use the strawman "all conservatives.'

 

[Politesse]

Though if you think Republicans and Democrats are equally likely to use racial and sexual slurs in the age of Donald "Grabembythepussy" Trump

Over the past 20+ years of posting on various internet forums, I have yet to see an actual conservative use blatantly racist or sexist language ever... but I've seen such slurs posted by progressives many many times.

You mean all progressives, right? Since you said it with no qualifier, you must have meant "all progressives"?

 

[JohnG]

Woke, trans, caravans, are synthetic issues specifically designed by think tanks to engage specific demographics to vote.

I'll bet they're having a great time with the township (Emo) being fined 15K for not being woke enough to suit the militant queers.
Tom

I have little doubt this will be blamed for the downfall of civilization - and many will believe it

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Though if you think Republicans and Democrats are equally likely to use racial and sexual slurs in the age of Donald "Grabembythepussy" Trump

FWIW, I've seen far more blatant use of slurs by leftists than by rightists. In particular, I see hardcore progressive anti-racists use the N-word with abandon, under the pretence of putting those words into the mouth of someone they view as being right-wing (regardless of whether it's true). Over the past 20+ years of posting on various internet forums, I have yet to see an actual conservative use blatantly racist or sexist language ever... but I've seen such slurs posted by progressives many many times.

So you've seen some progressives use offensive language in parody, but the racist words haven't been stated in front of you by conservatives. Is there some reason you would expect covert racists to use explicitly racist language in front of you. I can assure you I have heard the racist language by some conservatives I know who thought it was safe to do in front of white people. In fact, there's a common joke about every white family's racist uncle at the Thanksgiving Day table. We all have a racist relative or more, even if covertly so in front of other people they'd be afraid to out themselves in front of. So, again, as a minority, why would you expect covert racists to directly out themselves in front of you?

 

[ZiprHead]

FWIW, I've seen far more blatant use of slurs by leftists than by rightists.

I take it you have Derec on ignore. His excessive use of terms like "dindu nuffin" and "heels up" show his true charecter.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

This strikes me as a strange point. I do not consider myself personally responsible for every action the federal government or some president takes, no. If it's actually my family that did something, that's another matter. But either way, as long as this democracy stands we have the right and the responsibility to celebrate the government when it does good and criticize it when it errs.

This is a fair point... but I'll also point out that a whole lot of people don't criticize the government when the government errs. They criticize their fellow citizens when their preferred party doesn't win out.

Well, that is more accurate than you'll want to suggest. The people who feel left behind by Government are the ones that voted for the portion of Government that left them behind.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Though if you think Republicans and Democrats are equally likely to use racial and sexual slurs in the age of Donald "Grabembythepussy" Trump

FWIW, I've seen far more blatant use of slurs by leftists than by rightists. In particular, I see hardcore progressive anti-racists use the N-word with abandon, under the pretence of putting those words into the mouth of someone they view as being right-wing (regardless of whether it's true). Over the past 20+ years of posting on various internet forums, I have yet to see an actual conservative use blatantly racist or sexist language ever... but I've seen such slurs posted by progressives many many times.

*spit take* Good ole Emily... forest and trees and what not.

Well I've been on boards the advocated women shouldn't hold jobs. But they didn't use the 'b-word' so I guess that is okay. We've had at least two blatantly anti-Semitic racists on this board (currently that number is one). But they didn't use particularly bad language. We did have one user temporarily that liked the word "negroid", but sometimes it is hard to tell if they are just trolling. But that user was probably while you were banned from posting here.

I didn't realize the language was what mattered most, not the ideas behind them.

 

[Jarhyn]

Though if you think Republicans and Democrats are equally likely to use racial and sexual slurs in the age of Donald "Grabembythepussy" Trump

FWIW, I've seen far more blatant use of slurs by leftists than by rightists. In particular, I see hardcore progressive anti-racists use the N-word with abandon, under the pretence of putting those words into the mouth of someone they view as being right-wing (regardless of whether it's true). Over the past 20+ years of posting on various internet forums, I have yet to see an actual conservative use blatantly racist or sexist language ever... but I've seen such slurs posted by progressives many many times.

So you've seen some progressives use offensive language in parody, but the racist words haven't been stated in front of you by conservatives. Is there some reason you would expect covert racists to use explicitly racist language in front of you. I can assure you I have heard the racist language by some conservatives I know who thought it was safe to do in front of white people. In fact, there's a common joke about every white family's racist uncle at the Thanksgiving Day table. We all have a racist relative or more, even if covertly so in front of other people they'd be afraid to out themselves in front of. So, again, as a minority, why would you expect covert racists to directly out themselves in front of you?

I keep thinking back to the phenomena my husband and I ran into in the Netherlands: that people, because they had little or no experience or history of overt racism, never learned of the reality of more subtle forms of it.

In the US, the reality of overt racism was made explicit. It was raw and in-your-face, and then we watched all that get "walked back". We watched it transmute slowly from slurs to "those people", and then to circular normative logical and other mealy-mouthed bullshit.

In the US we got a feel for it, much like in Germany, they got a "feel" for fascism that lasted almost a century. This exposes a lot of things that we didn't understand as racism before as what they were.

In the Netherlands, people were still pretty badly racist... They just used those couched terms and mealy-mouthed explanations in a way that, in their culture, they had no pathway for revealing as born of that same sort of "walked back" racism.

We can still see that this behavior is the latest attempt to make it seem palatable.

 

[thebeave]

Though if you think Republicans and Democrats are equally likely to use racial and sexual slurs in the age of Donald "Grabembythepussy" Trump

FWIW, I've seen far more blatant use of slurs by leftists than by rightists. In particular, I see hardcore progressive anti-racists use the N-word with abandon, under the pretence of putting those words into the mouth of someone they view as being right-wing (regardless of whether it's true). Over the past 20+ years of posting on various internet forums, I have yet to see an actual conservative use blatantly racist or sexist language ever... but I've seen such slurs posted by progressives many many times.

*spit take* Good ole Emily... forest and trees and what not.

Well I've been on boards the advocated women shouldn't hold jobs. But they didn't use the 'b-word' so I guess that is okay. We've had at least two blatantly anti-Semitic racists on this board (currently that number is one). But they didn't use particularly bad language. We did have one user temporarily that liked the word "negroid", but sometimes it is hard to tell if they are just trolling. But that user was probably while you were banned from posting here.

I didn't realize the language was what mattered most, not the ideas behind them.

You forgot to mention the use of the word "honky" on this forum. It has been frequently used by one particular member, and he rarely, if ever, gets called out on it. I guess because its considered the "good kind" of racism.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I just did a search, and it resulted in the hit of three uses of the word in 2024. three in 2023, two in 2022. So that might be why I missed it.

 

[Politesse]

Though if you think Republicans and Democrats are equally likely to use racial and sexual slurs in the age of Donald "Grabembythepussy" Trump

FWIW, I've seen far more blatant use of slurs by leftists than by rightists. In particular, I see hardcore progressive anti-racists use the N-word with abandon, under the pretence of putting those words into the mouth of someone they view as being right-wing (regardless of whether it's true). Over the past 20+ years of posting on various internet forums, I have yet to see an actual conservative use blatantly racist or sexist language ever... but I've seen such slurs posted by progressives many many times.

*spit take* Good ole Emily... forest and trees and what not.

Well I've been on boards the advocated women shouldn't hold jobs. But they didn't use the 'b-word' so I guess that is okay. We've had at least two blatantly anti-Semitic racists on this board (currently that number is one). But they didn't use particularly bad language. We did have one user temporarily that liked the word "negroid", but sometimes it is hard to tell if they are just trolling. But that user was probably while you were banned from posting here.

I didn't realize the language was what mattered most, not the ideas behind them.

You forgot to mention the use of the word "honky" on this forum. It has been frequently used by one particular member, and he rarely, if ever, gets called out on it. I guess because its considered the "good kind" of racism.

I do think those kinds of hypocrisies are less than helpful.

 

[Politesse]

In the US, the reality of overt racism was made explicit. It was raw and in-your-face, and then we watched all that get "walked back". We watched it transmute slowly from slurs to "those people", and then to circular normative logical and other mealy-mouthed bullshit

Ouch but true. I've always been quietly, somewhat guiltily grateful that neither my queerness nor my mixed racial background are obvious enough to be picked up by people in travel and business contexts. It's privilege pure and simple, but if you have it, it's hard to genuinely wish that you didn't, especially if you know a lot of people who aren't so lucky.

 

[Elixir]

Of course hard core racists don't typically go around hurling overtly racist insults.
Hard core racists have long since learned to express their racism in "acceptable" terms (dog whistles) lest they be called out.
Their apologists like to point to the critics' use of those same loaded words as proof of... well ... "I know you are, but what am I?"
A cursory examination of context usually reveals that the racism resides with the well-trained politically correct "Ah ain't no racist" types (depending on present company of course - get 'em in a back room and they'll let loose.).

 

[Jarhyn]

In the US, the reality of overt racism was made explicit. It was raw and in-your-face, and then we watched all that get "walked back". We watched it transmute slowly from slurs to "those people", and then to circular normative logical and other mealy-mouthed bullshit

Ouch but true. I've always been quietly, somewhat guiltily grateful that neither my queerness nor my mixed racial background are obvious enough to be picked up by people in travel and business contexts. It's privilege pure and simple, but if you have it, it's hard to genuinely wish that you didn't, especially if you know a lot of people who aren't so lucky.

In some ways, I do rudely throw that privilege back at the world, even when I travel and even on business.

I imagine until people actually get me interacting, they would probably mistake me for the sort of weirdo that would preach on a street corner. And to be fair I get kind of preachy online.

But this is something I can give. I can give up my privilege by being weird with the same resolve I put behind living. I can represent myself by being the odd person with the outfit and the fancy stick and the bag. I can be that thing that violates people's expectations before their very eyes. I can be the anachronism, the grain of sand in the clam. I can stake my character on the fact that I do not hide myself in shame, or if I do, I would do it in a struggle of rebellion.

In some ways, this is itself an intense product of privilege, however: "Never ask an Indy artist why their parents' names on Wikipedia are blue", and all that.