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Climate Change(d)?

“Fire has been killing and displacing people since the dawn of man. There’s nothing unusual about this!”
 
TSwizzle said:
The devastating wildfires that are catching the attention of the climate apocalypse ghouls have nothing to do with "climate change". These fires in the Pacific Palisades are being exasperated by some glorious incompetence from likes of LA City Mayor Karen Bass, who incidentally is on a nice little jolly to Ghana for the coronation of a king or something (while Rome burns and all that) a lack of water at the fire hydrants and a lack of resources. Perhaps if the LA City fire chief hadn't been a DEI hire (Kristen Crowley, hailed as the first LBGQWERTY non binary female or something) we would have a competent leader in charge of the effort. There is indeed a lot of finger pointing at the likes of insufferable prick Gavin Newson, Karen Bass and the LA County board of supervisors over this. Newsom will undoubtably blame climate change for this because he's a fucking moron. The multi millionaires whose homes have been destroyed should think long and hard about who they vote for to run the state and city in future.

Anyway, it is a catastrophic 69 degrees in a blustery Santa Monica today. My patio furniture was blown over, oh the humanity!!
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Climate plays a major factor. The forests are a little warmer, a little drier. And more and more pine forest is falling to pests that the winters aren't quite cold enough to kill off--more fuel for the fires.

It's not incompetence on the part of the firefighters, we are simply unable to combat fires that are too intense. With beneficial terrain the firefighters might be able to protect some areas, but when you add high winds all you can do is evacuate or retreat to a fire bunker. (Yes, they exist--like safe rooms against tornadoes. Internal air supply and they can shield their occupants for long enough for a high intensity fire to sweep on past.)
 
TSwizzle said:

Human caused climate change? I would consider if there was evidence of it!

I have always said that human behavior is a major factor in California wildfires.
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Have you not noticed the change from cleaning up ship fuel? That was human-caused cooling that got considerably reduced (sulfur dioxide reflects sunlight back into space. But sulfur dioxide + water = sulfuric acid, it corrodes a lot of things) and we got a termination shock. Blowing away record temperatures in many, many places.
 
I expect Tswizzle may have had his reality check, no need to kick him when he is down.

No doubt Hollywood is already working on an LA disaster movie script based on the fire. The ghoulish Hollywood moguls.
 
TSwizzle said:
Nah, you just don't like it when I point out the obvious flaws in the studies written by activist "scientists" that get presented on here as "science". We've been through this routine numerous times, it is beyond tedious.
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Using the search function, I can confirm two things:
  • It is beyond tedious.
  • TSwizzle has never once pointed out any flaw in any study presented by anyone in this thread.
TSwizzle has likely just misremembered the many times they introduced a news article of their own choosing, invoked religion, and reported their local weather.
 
It's not climate change!
WOKE is causing all these fires.

MSN

www.msn.com
Notice the source.
 
Here's the top ten warmest years where I live.
They started keeping records at the current location in 1937.
Our climate is moderated by proximity to the ocean.
You might guess what kind of ocean temps we've been seeing guess the impact that's had on cyclone intensity.


RankTemperature Year
175.62019
75.62017
375.52018
475.42015
575.32023
674.62020
74.62007
874.52024
74.52022
1074.42016

Back in 1998 I had trouble believing that we'd beat 1998.

We'll that's why I replaced my plum trees with mango.
 
TSwizzle said:
Human caused climate change? I would consider if there was evidence of it!
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^^^ as predicted

EVIDENCE OF IT:

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Time to once again feign incomprehension.
Glad you're okay Swiz! Hope you're ready for the next human-caused disaster.
Maybe the natural heating/cooling cycle, darling of conservatives, will kick in, causing atmospheric CO2 to plummet and next year's concern to be ice in LA.
YA THINK??
 
scombrid said:
Here's the top ten warmest years where I live.
They started keeping records at the current location in 1937.
Our climate is moderated by proximity to the ocean.
You might guess what kind of ocean temps we've been seeing guess the impact that's had on cyclone intensity.


RankTemperatureYear
175.62019
75.62017
375.52018
475.42015
575.32023
674.62020
74.62007
874.52024
74.52022
1074.42016

Back in 1998 I had trouble believing that we'd beat 1998.

We'll that's why I replaced my plum trees with mango.
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Oh Noes!!! An apocalyptic 75 degrees!!11!!
 
Here’s a scientific study showing that wildfires in the western United States are increasing in intensity due to global warming:

From the abstract:

Warmer temperatures and severe drought are driving increases in wildfire activity in the western United States, threatening forest ecosystems. However, identifying the influence of fire severity on tree cover loss (TCL) is challenging using commonly used categorical metrics. In this study, we quantify regional trends in wildfire-driven TCL as the product of annual burned area, average forest exposure (pre-fire tree cover), and average fire severity (relative loss of tree cover).
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… recent changes in burned areas alone cannot explain observed tree cover trends. Linear regression analysis revealed that warmer summers and drier winters were significant drivers of increasing forest exposure, fire severity, and burned area (R2 from 0.54 to 0.80, p ⩽ 0.001), particularly in the northern forests. Climate extremes had a disproportionate impact on dense forests that were once more resistant to wildfire but now face risks from a shifting wildfire regime.
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Tharmas said:
Here’s a scientific study showing that wildfires in the western United States are increasing in intensity due to global warming:

From the abstract:

Warmer temperatures and severe drought are driving increases in wildfire activity in the western United States, threatening forest ecosystems. However, identifying the influence of fire severity on tree cover loss (TCL) is challenging using commonly used categorical metrics. In this study, we quantify regional trends in wildfire-driven TCL as the product of annual burned area, average forest exposure (pre-fire tree cover), and average fire severity (relative loss of tree cover).
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… recent changes in burned areas alone cannot explain observed tree cover trends. Linear regression analysis revealed that warmer summers and drier winters were significant drivers of increasing forest exposure, fire severity, and burned area (R2 from 0.54 to 0.80, p ⩽ 0.001), particularly in the northern forests. Climate extremes had a disproportionate impact on dense forests that were once more resistant to wildfire but now face risks from a shifting wildfire regime.
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And there are multiple citations to earlier studies establishing the increase in fire danger over the past many decades. Even if you don’t believe in anthropogenic climate change, that the climate is changing currently and those changes are increasing fire danger globally is undeniable (at least by anyone who cares to live by facts).
 
Shadowy Man said:
Even if you don’t believe in anthropogenic climate change, that the climate is changing currently and those changes are increasing fire danger globally is undeniable (at least by anyone who cares to live by facts).
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And even if you don't believe in anthropogenic climate change, that burning fossil fuel increases the carbon dioxide proportion of the mix of atmospheric gases is undeniable (at least by anyone who cares to live by facts).

And even if you don't believe in anthropogenic climate change, that an increase in the carbon dioxide proportion of the mix of atmospheric gases leads to higher global temperature is undeniable (at least by anyone who cares to live by facts).

So, if you don't believe in anthropogenic climate change, do you believe that humans do not burn significant quantities of coal, oil, or gas? Or are you just unwilling to join some very simple and undeniable dots?
 
There have been impact events and volcanism events that have changed atmospheric temperatures and/or composition faster than humans have done. Outside of such, nothing that I can think of even comes close. The attendant mass extinctions are in process as well, and if the trajectory doesn't change the outcome will eventually be similar too.
 
The Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum was initiated by volcanism, and then accelerated by the release of methane from melting permafrost and seafloor methane hydrates, suggesting that similar positive feedback mechanisms are a significant risk, and that extreme warming could occur with anthropogenic fosssil fuel use as a mere "trigger".

Of more direct political importance though, is the source of that trigger for the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum: It was caused by Greenland moving away from Europe, and towards North America. Clearly, Donald Trump must be stopped!! ;)
 
Los Angeles fire chief has publicly criticized Marxist mayor of Los Angeles Karen Bass for budget cuts and lack of resources. Spicy.
 
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