Merged Gaza just launched an unprovoked attack on Israel

[TomC]

Evidence that BBC News has become a propaganda tool of Hamas.

You're welcome




I hope the west finds a way to eventually deal with our shame of, yet again, gone down the rout of antisemitism. Learning from history clearly isn't our strong suit

I've no connection to Xhit so I can't read the article.
Got a bit of it?
Tom

 

[DrZoidberg]

Evidence that BBC News has become a propaganda tool of Hamas.

You're welcome




I hope the west finds a way to eventually deal with our shame of, yet again, gone down the rout of antisemitism. Learning from history clearly isn't our strong suit

I've no connection to Xhit so I can't read the article.
Got a bit of it?
Tom

I don't have X. I can read it. So so can you

 

[laughing dog]

Evidence that BBC News has become a propaganda tool of Hamas.

You're welcome




I hope the west finds a way to eventually deal with our shame of, yet again, gone down the rout of antisemitism. Learning from history clearly isn't our strong suit

I've no connection to Xhit so I can't read the article.
Got a bit of it?
Tom

I don't have X. I can read it. So so can you

You are making a claim that is hidden. It is up to you to provide the actual evidence. if you want other posters to participate, because there is no reason at all to take your interpretation as gospel.

 

[TomC]

You are making a claim that is hidden.

Also an implausible claim. I clicked the link and was given the options of sign up and log in.
Nah. I don't believe any Xhit is likely worth it.
Tom

 

[Colonel Sanders]

The use of the word "gen

ETA: if Trump launched a nuclear strike against China and they retaliated in kind, thereby killing tens of millions of Americans, shouldn't Trump be held responsible for starting that bullshit?

Of course he should because those tens of millions wouldn't have been killed without his idiotic choices.

Yes. And you think that hypothetical is relevant to defending the proposed ethnic cleansing of Gaza because.......?

See, you keep using that term despite the fact that it's not happening.

Palestinians aren't being killed because Israel wants to wipe out Palestinians. They're being killed because Hamas, knowing they have no hope of exterminating the Jews like they wished they could, went ahead and attacked Israel, full well knowing what the consequences would be.

The hypothetical works because we would hold Trump responsible for his decisions. Meanwhile, folks like yourself have decided that it's apparently fine for Hamas to attack Israel and that there will be no consequences for that. It is indeed a puzzling position to hold.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Meanwhile Egypt is spearheading an alternative Gaza rebuild plan. If this happens... and this whole Trump Gaza thing was a ploy to get the Arabs to step up, it'd be a remarkable thing that only Trump could have accomplished as no one would have believed any other US President would be a dumb fuck enough to try.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

So why do liberals support oppressive theocratic nations whose unmistakable intent is genocide?

Who is that?

Are they under your bed?

That's so disingenuous on your part.

I am confident you're able to parse things from context, but whatever, I'll go through it.

First off, I am a liberal and an atheist. I'm not some child who yells "BROWN PEOPLE OPPRESSED" just because they're not white. Unlike too many left of center, I don't have a gag reflex agenda. I am utterly puzzled by those who refuse to hold the Arab states responsible for the acts they commit, particularly when they represent the exact opposite of what the left is supposed to stand for.

Not seeing many liberals waving flags of Yemen or the United Arab Emirates.

The Arab nations are a source of the problem and solution in the Middle East. What some people are unwilling to accept is that these nations don't want our condescending guidance, especially with all the baggage the West has in the Middle East. Iraq alone, the US supported a mass murderer who used chemical weapons against the Iranians. Then when the Neocons who supported him thought things were problematic after he invaded Kuwait, we fought against him, which then led him to try a plot to kill President HW Bush. Ten or so years later, the Neocons saw an opportunity to finally get back at him.

This is all happening the backyards of the Arab nations. This stuff is out of sight, out of mind for Americans. Our problem in the Middle East is we have meddled too much in the Middle East. This doesn't make the oil magnates or the extremism that is born in many of these nations angels or people to look up to. But it provides a narrative as to why they pretty much don't give a fuck what we think (as long as we are using enough oil to keep oil prices high enough).

And now Trump is talking about permanently displacing the Gazans so he can make money?! The Arabs don't like us because we've done nothing for them to like them over, and we've done quite a bit for them to despise.

Frankly, the left needs some serious introspection, not snarky unhelpful bullshit. Maybe next time you can pick out a spelling error to dismiss what someone says in a Reddit-like attempt to grab upvotes.

Dude, if we aren't allowed to be snarky, what is the entire point of posting anonymously online?

That's a lot of words to not address the specific issue.

I wrote specifically about Hamas and the support it receives from Iran. I referred to the history of nations like Egypt, Syria, and Jordan who have used all means available to eradicate Israel.

But how is any of that used as a reason for what Hamas has done?

What's the solution? Hell if I know. Everything's been tried but this keeps happening over and over again. The only thing I can think of is for Israel to set up a DMZ similar to what the Koreas have done. "From the river to the sea" so to speak.

 

[Politesse]

Who had ethnic cleansing on their bingo card?

Me. I don't expect Trump to personally conduct any pogroms, but his leadership will surely be characterized by looking away when his allies conduct them, and possibly even materially supporting their efforts.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

So why do liberals support oppressive theocratic nations whose unmistakable intent is genocide?

Who is that?

Are they under your bed?

That's so disingenuous on your part.

I am confident you're able to parse things from context, but whatever, I'll go through it.

First off, I am a liberal and an atheist. I'm not some child who yells "BROWN PEOPLE OPPRESSED" just because they're not white. Unlike too many left of center, I don't have a gag reflex agenda. I am utterly puzzled by those who refuse to hold the Arab states responsible for the acts they commit, particularly when they represent the exact opposite of what the left is supposed to stand for.

Not seeing many liberals waving flags of Yemen or the United Arab Emirates.

The Arab nations are a source of the problem and solution in the Middle East. What some people are unwilling to accept is that these nations don't want our condescending guidance, especially with all the baggage the West has in the Middle East. Iraq alone, the US supported a mass murderer who used chemical weapons against the Iranians. Then when the Neocons who supported him thought things were problematic after he invaded Kuwait, we fought against him, which then led him to try a plot to kill President HW Bush. Ten or so years later, the Neocons saw an opportunity to finally get back at him.

This is all happening the backyards of the Arab nations. This stuff is out of sight, out of mind for Americans. Our problem in the Middle East is we have meddled too much in the Middle East. This doesn't make the oil magnates or the extremism that is born in many of these nations angels or people to look up to. But it provides a narrative as to why they pretty much don't give a fuck what we think (as long as we are using enough oil to keep oil prices high enough).

And now Trump is talking about permanently displacing the Gazans so he can make money?! The Arabs don't like us because we've done nothing for them to like them over, and we've done quite a bit for them to despise.

Frankly, the left needs some serious introspection, not snarky unhelpful bullshit. Maybe next time you can pick out a spelling error to dismiss what someone says in a Reddit-like attempt to grab upvotes.

Dude, if we aren't allowed to be snarky, what is the entire point of posting anonymously online?

That's a lot of words to not address the specific issue.

What, that maybe the Arabs don't like us, don't like us for a good reason, and they don't want to hear our great ideas about how to make their lives better?

I wrote specifically about Hamas and the support it receives from Iran. I referred to the history of nations like Egypt, Syria, and Jordan who have used all means available to eradicate Israel.

But how is any of that used as a reason for what Hamas has done?

It's a reason, it isn't a good one. No reason would be. Poverty, distrust, anger, century of historical baggage make people do some bad things especially where there are people looking to radical those people. It is incredible what a small number of sociopaths can accomplish given certain conditions. Look at what Germany did in trying to eradicate the Israelites because the Germans were hungry, angry, and manipulated.

What's the solution? Hell if I know.

The solution is in the Arab and Persian states. Getting it out of them isn't easy. It requires them giving a fuck about Gaza. Trump might have managed some magic with Egypt countering Trump's Trump Gaza awful idea, assuming the Trump Admin concocted that plan. In the end, it also hangs heavily on Iran. Peace in Gaza isn't possible if Iranian religious radicals refuse to allow it. And if they don't, we are back to the subtle long con of getting Iran to boot the religious tyrants, but Trump set us back 30 years on that.

 

[Shadowy Man]

Meanwhile Egypt is spearheading an alternative Gaza rebuild plan. If this happens... and this whole Trump Gaza thing was a ploy to get the Arabs to step up, it'd be a remarkable thing that only Trump could have accomplished as no one would have believed any other US President would be a dumb fuck enough to try.

“Central in Egypt’s proposal is the establishment of a Palestinian administration that is not aligned with either Hamas or the Palestinian Authority to run the strip and oversee the reconstruction efforts, according to the two Egyptian officials involved in the efforts.”

Good luck!!

 

[TomC]

Meanwhile Egypt is spearheading an alternative Gaza rebuild plan. If this happens... and this whole Trump Gaza thing was a ploy to get the Arabs to step up, it'd be a remarkable thing that only Trump could have accomplished as no one would have believed any other US President would be a dumb fuck enough to try.

“Central in Egypt’s proposal is the establishment of a Palestinian administration that is not aligned with either Hamas or the Palestinian Authority to run the strip and oversee the reconstruction efforts, according to the two Egyptian officials involved in the efforts.”

Good luck!!

It does have a pie in the sky feel.
But at least it's a beginning to something better than the current horrendous situation.
Tom

 

[Shadowy Man]

Meanwhile Egypt is spearheading an alternative Gaza rebuild plan. If this happens... and this whole Trump Gaza thing was a ploy to get the Arabs to step up, it'd be a remarkable thing that only Trump could have accomplished as no one would have believed any other US President would be a dumb fuck enough to try.

“Central in Egypt’s proposal is the establishment of a Palestinian administration that is not aligned with either Hamas or the Palestinian Authority to run the strip and oversee the reconstruction efforts, according to the two Egyptian officials involved in the efforts.”

Good luck!!

It does have a pie in the sky feel.
But at least it's a beginning to something better than the current horrendous situation.
Tom

I have never heard of a third Palestinian organization so would they have to develop one from scratch? Would it have to essentially be formed by an external party? Perhaps this is a way that the other Arab nations can take control of Gaza?

 

[TomC]

I have never heard of a third Palestinian organization so would they have to develop one from scratch? Would it have to essentially be formed by an external party? Perhaps this is a way that the other Arab nations can take control of Gaza?

Like I said, "pie in the sky" and "beginning".
Further down the Yahoo page I saw an article that appeared to be Hamas official insisting that Hamas must continue to be Gazans leadership.
I dunno.
Tom

 

[Shadowy Man]

The only solution that Hamas, Palestine, and the entire Muslim region will accept is the extermination of Jews.

Do you have any sense of exactly how "Jewish" an individual has to be to be eligible for extermination?

I'm concerned - I want to visit Egypt, which is 90% Muslim, but as my father was 100% a son of Jewish immigrants, I am at least 50% Jewish.

Do Hamas, Palestine, and the entire Muslim region have the means to detect that level of Jewishness and deem it fir for extermination?

If so, it is a unifying principle like no other. I cannot think of anything else that Hamas, Palestine, and the entire Muslim region is completely unified on.

As far as I can tell, there is no strict definition of whether someone is Jewish. Some Jews would say you are 0% Jewish because your mother wasn't Jewish. Others would say it's a religion you have to self-identify with. You may have your own definition and identification.

 

[Tigers!]

Meanwhile Egypt is spearheading an alternative Gaza rebuild plan. If this happens... and this whole Trump Gaza thing was a ploy to get the Arabs to step up, it'd be a remarkable thing that only Trump could have accomplished as no one would have believed any other US President would be a dumb fuck enough to try.

“Central in Egypt’s proposal is the establishment of a Palestinian administration that is not aligned with either Hamas or the Palestinian Authority to run the strip and oversee the reconstruction efforts, according to the two Egyptian officials involved in the efforts.”

Good luck!!

If that can be arranged a Nobel peace prize awaits.

 

[ZiprHead]

Palestinians aren't being killed because Israel wants to wipe out Palestinians. They're being killed because Hamas, knowing they have no hope of exterminating the Jews like they wished they could, went ahead and attacked Israel, full well knowing what the consequences would be.

Strange. You are saying the Israelies have no choice in the matter, they are automatons simply running the program provided to them by Hamas.

 

[Shadowy Man]

Indeed!

 

[laughing dog]

ETA: if Trump launched a nuclear strike against China and they retaliated in kind, thereby killing tens of millions of Americans, shouldn't Trump be held responsible for starting that bullshit?

Of course he should because those tens of millions wouldn't have been killed without his idiotic choices.

Yes. And you think that hypothetical is relevant to defending the proposed ethnic cleansing of Gaza because.......?

See, you keep using that term despite the fact that it's not happening….

I didn’t use the term genocide.

]
The hypothetical works because we would hold Trump responsible for his decisions. Meanwhile, folks like yourself have decided that it's apparently fine for Hamas to attack Israel and that there will be no consequences for that. It is indeed a puzzling position to hold.

Doubly so, because I don’t hold it.

How does it make sense to ethnically cleanse of Gaza (Trump’s wet dream) to hold millions of Gazans accountable for something Hamas did ?

 

[DrZoidberg]

Evidence that BBC News has become a propaganda tool of Hamas.

You're welcome




I hope the west finds a way to eventually deal with our shame of, yet again, gone down the rout of antisemitism. Learning from history clearly isn't our strong suit

I've no connection to Xhit so I can't read the article.
Got a bit of it?
Tom

I don't have X. I can read it. So so can you

You are making a claim that is hidden. It is up to you to provide the actual evidence. if you want other posters to participate, because there is no reason at all to take your interpretation as gospel.

Nothing is hidden in the article.

Its a series of clips featuring people talking about life in Gaza. The problem is that the BBC producer is closely related to the people interviewed. The same people interviewed have also made pro Hamas propaganda clips. They are also in the same clan whose leader founded Hamas. The father of the child in the clips is also a Hamas official, minister of agriculture etc.

This is not explained in the BBC documentary. Instead the names were changed

To sum up, BBC has a producer of a documentary where Gazans in his own clan who are all Hamas royalty, are interviewed, pretending to be, "the man on the street".

The X article has pictures of these people making it irrefutable

This is really really bad for BBC News. BBC News is famous for having among the highest standard reporting in the world. Smaller things than this is a scandal.

But perhaps their reputation is already so tarnished nobody cares anymore. BBC News did go all in on the woke train. That hasn't done wonders for their reputation

I don't have X and am not logged in. I can still see the full article. Maybe I can see it because I am in Denmark? Easily solved with vpn

 

[bilby]

The only solution that Hamas, Palestine, and the entire Muslim region will accept is the extermination of Jews.

Do you have any sense of exactly how "Jewish" an individual has to be to be eligible for extermination?

I'm concerned - I want to visit Egypt, which is 90% Muslim, but as my father was 100% a son of Jewish immigrants, I am at least 50% Jewish.

Do Hamas, Palestine, and the entire Muslim region have the means to detect that level of Jewishness and deem it fir for extermination?

If so, it is a unifying principle like no other. I cannot think of anything else that Hamas, Palestine, and the entire Muslim region is completely unified on.

As far as I can tell, there is no strict definition of whether someone is Jewish. Some Jews would say you are 0% Jewish because your mother wasn't Jewish. Others would say it's a religion you have to self-identify with. You may have your own definition and identification.

If you asked an ultra-orthodox Jew, none of my step-siblings are Jewish, though many of my uncles and aunts, and one of my step-fathers is. If you asked a very liberal Jew, he would probably consider two of my step-siblings to be Jewish, albeit non-religious. If you asked Heinrich Himmler, he would round up and gas the lot of us - I am in no genetic sense Jewish (as far as I know), but I have Jewish siblings by marriage, and am circumcised, so that's probably close enough for genocidal maniacs.

All religious identity is ultimately pure opinion. Most racial identity is too - where there are rules (eg 'must have a Jewish mother'), those rules are themselves just an opinion. Even if they are enshrined in law, they remain just an opinion held by a legislator (and/or a judge).