Legal definition of woman is based on biological sex, UK supreme court rules

[Emily Lake]

Do you, Tom? Do you honestly think they consented to what Emily did to them? If you do, just say yes. It's one word. Can you type it?

Oh for fuck's sake, Poli. What twisted scenario have you invented that allows you to justify this behavior on your part?

Seriously. MALES in the female restroom, with entirely MALE BODIES, who didn't seem to have even one moment of hesitation before grabbing their crotches OUT IN THE OPEN so they could reposition. I didn't do a fucking thing to them - THEY invaded WOMEN'S SPACES because THEY believe that their special feelings are more important than women's boundaries.

For you to be acting like I somehow wronged these poor delicate hairy linebackers by noticing when they grabbed their junk and moved it around in a place that is supposed to be junk-free is a testament to your dedication to the true faith, and your willingness to regurgitate the fact-free beliefs of your religion.

 

[Emily Lake]

Really? The "human situation"? I'm removed from the "human situation", am I Tom?

Well you don’t seem to have even the slightest concern for females wanting privacy, dignity, safety, and fairness, in spaces free from males, in some circumstances.

It’s almost as if the interests of females are of no importance to you,

You know what women love? Being called "females", and listening to men explain "what females want".

If I'm put in a position where I either have to accept being referred to as a female, or I have to accept that males are women... then sign me up for female.

On the other hand, if you and your compatriots would just knock off the insanity of insisting that males with gendery feels are "women" and that they have "ladydicks" and that any woman who objects to their presence in female-specific intimate spaces is an evil bigot... well then maybe we could make some headway. But as long as you and other trans movement supporters keep treating actual female women as if we're powerful oppressors of meek men because we don't consent to let anyone who says magic words see us naked, you're not going to gain ground.

Honestly, this is the first civil rights movement I'm aware of, where the more the average person learns about it, the LESS they support it.

 

[Emily Lake]

Most females want some spaces to be free from males. All males. The polling evidence is clear on this.

Ah. So the opinions of all women do not matter, just "most females".

The opinions of "male women" don't fucking matter when it comes to female-specific intimate spaces and services.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Again, the obsession with public restrooms, when they’re possibly the least important situation.

It's your side that obsesses about them.

Which side are you referring to?
Seanie and I are both on the side of women who want a male free place for personal business, under certain circumstances.
Tom

But the flip side is they'll get male-presenting females.

It's really about making the trans disappear, not about putting them in the "right" bathroom.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Imagine believing mg on a first date with a woman you find highly attractive. During the course of dinner, you realize you really need to take a dump—office taco Tuesday strikes hard! And when you excuse yourself for the restroom, she says she needs to powder her nose, too!

How comfortable will you be if she checks herself into the stall next to you?

And gays/lesbians somehow manage to avoid being harmed by this??

????? LGBTQIA individuals have a higher than average risk of being sexually assaults. Usually by males.

The reference was the bathroom. You were talking about the discomfort from your date being in the next stall.

Then your response really is nonsensical.

The claimed issue was one's date in the next stall. But that's the reality of gays and lesbians, why isn't it a big deal for them?

 

[TomC]

Again, the obsession with public restrooms, when they’re possibly the least important situation.

It's your side that obsesses about them.

Which side are you referring to?
Seanie and I are both on the side of women who want a male free place for personal business, under certain circumstances.
Tom

But the flip side is they'll get male-presenting females.

It's really about making the trans disappear, not about putting them in the "right" bathroom.

You might believe that, but I don't.

I think it's about making women's rights disappear.
Tom

 

[Loren Pechtel]

They were wearing a "skirt" and in the women's room assaulting women. I'm saying it's not relevant because wearing such a garment is not remotely enough to be trying to pass as female.

Trying to pass?

What’s that got to do with it?

If any man who considers themselves a woman is one, according to you?

Are you now making a distinction between the trans women who make an effort, and those who don’t?

The claim is that it was a rape by a trans person in a women's restroom. But the only evidence of this being the skirt and the article even said it was not thought he was trans. Thus we still stand at zero rapes by female-presenting "males" in women's restrooms.

 

[seanie]

But the flip side is they'll get male-presenting females.

It's really about making the trans disappear, not about putting them in the "right" bathroom.

No, despite the continued obsssion with restrooms, there are a number of spaces that should be for females only.

No males however they consider themselves.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Instead of meaningless distractions into light spectrums, you could just try to address biological reality.

It’s a thought.

In other words, you have no support for your declaration.

I was simply presenting an example that meets your definition (the vast majority of colors can be classified into "red" or "not red") but clearly is continuous, not discrete. You reasoning leads to a contradiction, therefore your reasoning is wrong. Being able to easily classify 99.98% of cases is not evidence that the remaining 0.02% can likewise be classified. And the failures of surgery on the intersexed says that we can't reliably classify those 0.02%.

 

[seanie]

The claim is that it was a rape by a trans person in a women's restroom. But the only evidence of this being the skirt and the article even said it was not thought he was trans. Thus we still stand at zero rapes by female-presenting "males" in women's restrooms.

So sending a male double rapist to a women’s prison is just fine?

Give your head a wobble.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I don’t think any men they should be using facilities reserved for women.

The problem is that you have two groups: transmen and transwomen. The question becomes which group is allowed into the women's.

(Yeah, I know, the real "answer" is that they disappear.)

 

[laughing dog]

Most females want some spaces to be free from males. All males. The polling evidence is clear on this.

Ah. So the opinions of all women do not matter, just "most females".

The opinions of "male women" don't fucking matter when it comes to female-specific intimate spaces and services.

Even those “male women” who might risk injury or assault in male-specific intimate spaces?

 

[seanie]

In other words, you have no support for your declaration.

I was simply presenting an example that meets your definition (the vast majority of colors can be classified into "red" or "not red") but clearly is continuous, not discrete. You reasoning leads to a contradiction, therefore your reasoning is wrong. Being able to easily classify 99.98% of cases is not evidence that the remaining 0.02% can likewise be classified. And the failures of surgery on the intersexed says that we can't reliably classify those 0.02%.

No, you were diverting into a meaningless point about the spectrum of light.

Because you can't face the reality that sex is binary, is easily classified in the vast majority of cases, and when ambiguous can still be determined.

Your argument is little more that male rapists can be sent to female prisons...

...because light is a spectrum.

It's not even wrong, it's just stupid.

 

[seanie]

Most females want some spaces to be free from males. All males. The polling evidence is clear on this.

Ah. So the opinions of all women do not matter, just "most females".

The opinions of "male women" don't fucking matter when it comes to female-specific intimate spaces and services.

Even those “male women” who might risk injury or assault in male-specific intimate spaces?

The "male women" are men.

Whatever measures are required to keep them protected from harassment or assault, it's not for women to accept them into spaces reserved for women.

 

[Politesse]

Most females want some spaces to be free from males. All males. The polling evidence is clear on this.

Ah. So the opinions of all women do not matter, just "most females".

The opinions of "male women" don't fucking matter when it comes to female-specific intimate spaces and services.

So you don't give the tiniest shit about anyone else's rights, but you want them to give a shit about your feelings?

Are you an American, by any chance?

 

[Toni]

Imagine believing mg on a first date with a woman you find highly attractive. During the course of dinner, you realize you really need to take a dump—office taco Tuesday strikes hard! And when you excuse yourself for the restroom, she says she needs to powder her nose, too!

How comfortable will you be if she checks herself into the stall next to you?

And gays/lesbians somehow manage to avoid being harmed by this??

????? LGBTQIA individuals have a higher than average risk of being sexually assaults. Usually by males.

The reference was the bathroom. You were talking about the discomfort from your date being in the next stall.

Then your response really is nonsensical.

The claimed issue was one's date in the next stall. But that's the reality of gays and lesbians, why isn't it a big deal for them?

I don’t know. I’m not gay so I cannot comment about what is or is not an issue for gay/lesbian people. It isn’t even an issue fur all straight women. It’s been ….,decades since I dated but I definitely can imagine that if I were on a first date with a man, I would probably not want to go to the same restroom at the same time as my date. Not that I am anticipating that situation.

I do know from the brief period of time when I occasionally cleaned a movie theater that men’s bathrooms were extremely gross compared with women’s bathrooms. One thing that stuck out for me was that someone defecated in a urinal. My assumption is that it was a male and that he was intoxicated. Men’s rooms had a lot more splashing ( walls, floors) of urine and were more likely to have feces smeared on the walls. Women’s bathrooms were far from pristine but the worst was an over-full container for used sanitary products.

I really do not understand what it is that you are lacking that you cannot accept that some things are important to women that are not important to you. But that’s a problem
for you to work on, not for me to solve.

 

[TomC]

I don’t think any men they should be using facilities reserved for women.

The problem is that you have two groups: transmen and transwomen. The question becomes which group is allowed into the women's.

(Yeah, I know, the real "answer" is that they disappear.)

That's kinda stupid.
There's a few groups that exist, but don't fit your post. And we are the overwhelming majority of people.
Tom

 

[Toni]

Again, the obsession with public restrooms, when they’re possibly the least important situation.

It's your side that obsesses about them.

Which side are you referring to?
Seanie and I are both on the side of women who want a male free place for personal business, under certain circumstances.
Tom

But the flip side is they'll get male-presenting females.

It's really about making the trans disappear, not about putting them in the "right" bathroom.

You might believe that, but I don't.

I think it's about making women's rights disappear.
Tom

I do think that for some people, it IS indeed about erasing women from public places but that’s a small minority and does not pertain to anyone posting here.

 

[TomC]

I do think that for some people, it IS indeed about erasing women from public places but that’s a small minority and does not pertain to anyone posting here

Which is why I didn't say that.
What is am talking about is female women having some rights, including the right to a restroom that males are Not entitled to use.

That's the majority of posters in this thread. People insisting that males are entitled to use the women's restroom, if they want.
Tom

 

[Emily Lake]

Again, the obsession with public restrooms, when they’re possibly the least important situation.

It's your side that obsesses about them.

Which side are you referring to?
Seanie and I are both on the side of women who want a male free place for personal business, under certain circumstances.
Tom

But the flip side is they'll get male-presenting females.

It's really about making the trans disappear, not about putting them in the "right" bathroom.

What balls you have, telling me what my objective is.