Merged Gaza just launched an unprovoked attack on Israel

[ZiprHead]

Gaza’s media office has accused Israel of violating the ceasefire with Hamas 47 times since the truce came into effect in early October, killing 38 Palestinians and wounding another 143. “These violations have included crimes of direct gunfire against civilians, deliberate shelling and targeting, and the arrest of a number of civilians, reflecting the occupation’s continued policy of aggression despite the declared end of the war,” reads the statement.

Teh Gruaniad

They really will publish any old rubbish.

Do you expect a news organization to not publish such statements?

Sounds like you do not want a news organization, you want a propaganda machine.

 

[Derec]

Do you expect a news organization to not publish such statements?
Sounds like you do not want a news organization, you want a propaganda machine.

I expect them to not just parrot statements made by Hamas uncritically.

 

[Derec]

Wow, just piling it on, aren't you? No, I haven't, and no it doesn't, anyway. It does reflect my bias in the sense that I don't think the US should be involved in another nation's conflicts to begin with, and we're only backing one of the warring parties.

Should US have stayed out of WWII as well? Note that US had been indirectly involved long before 12/7/41.

Also, MSF is an organization I have a longstanding relationship with and care deeply about.

They are one of the groups smuggling Muslim mass migrants into Europe through the Mediterranean route. I hold them in very little regard for that reason.

I did not in fact say that, nor do I think we should "sanction" Israel, unless you consider refusing to bankroll genocidal actions a "sanction".

There are no "genocidal actions" other than those attempted by Hamas and their allies.

Israel's "solution" has accomplished nothing. It's not even a solution, anymore than a gasoline/petrol canister is a solution to wildfires.

It has greatly weakened Hamas and its allies, including Hezbollah and even Iran. Note that creating firebreaks is a legitimate tactic for dealing with wildfires.

It is clear that Hamas is not interested in peace (except for "a little piece of Tel Aviv, a little piece of Haifa, a little piece of Negev, and Jerusalem perchance").
They are refusing to disarm, which was one of the provisions of the ceasefire deal, and this morning they violated the ceasefire directly when they attacked IDF in Rafah.
So the only viable solution is to keep Hamas as weak as possible.

The only party that has "solved" anything here in the sense of bringing a conflict to some sort of resolution have been President Biden and President Trump, respectively, and the diplomatic pressure of the Gulf kingdoms that have wisely (unlike the US) refused to just straightfowardly endorse one of the militant groups.

The ceasefire is very shaky, and nothing will lead to a durable ceasefire except making Hamas give up power and arms.

So is blowing children to pieces and then killing the doctors who arrive to try and stitch them back together. Neither children nor aid workers are "Hamas", and random terrorist acts inflame rather than soothing tensions, as Hamas itself has decisively proven in this conflict.

Which incident are you referring to concretely? Note that we know that some medical professionals are moonlighting as Hamas operatives.
Example: The Hostages Next Door: Inside a Notable Gaza Family’s Dark Secret

 

[ZiprHead]

Do you expect a news organization to not publish such statements?
Sounds like you do not want a news organization, you want a propaganda machine.

I expect them to not just parrot statements made by Hamas uncritically.

That's what the editorial page is for.

 

[Derec]

Look at the total tonnage of ordnance expended on Gaza, a very small area. Palestinians had no where to go, shooting fish in a barrel. If the bombing campaign was not genocide I do not know what is.

Actually the total tonnage of ordnance dropped is a strong argument against this being a genocide. We have >100,000t of bombs vs. ~70k dead. Less than one dead Gazan (including the combatants) per ton of ordnance dropped. If there had been an attempt to obliterate the population, the death count would have been much, much bigger.
Note also that the age/sex breakdown of fatalities show that the dead are mostly military-aged males.

Analysis and graph are my own, using Hamas Health Ministry's list from this September.

The destruction of Gaza has not destroyed Hamas, it destroyed the peool and their homkes.

It has destroyed a great deal of Hamas. All the top commanders within Gaza - the Sinwar Brothers, Mohammed Deif etc. - are dead, as are many of the experienced fighters and commanders.
Yes, a lot of civilians unfortunately died too, and much of Gaza has been destroyed. But starting wars of aggression has conseqences - Gaza CIty and Khan Younis do not look that much different than Berlin and Dresden looked in 1945.

Bomb a school, hospital, or home Israel says there were terrorists. It is not a militarily canpai8gn it is a terror campaign.

BS. Hamas and allies use hospitals and schools for their operations.
Israel says Hamas Gaza chief Sinwar's body identified
He was in a tunnel underneath the European Hospital.

As the war p[regressed reporting from Israel showed the army was getting frustrated seieing no military goal. Some soldiers began refuting to fight.l

Anti-terrorism campaigns are tough, especially when the terrorists enjoy widespread support in the population. That does not mean that they are not necessary.

It all comes around to Netanyahu keeping his political power. He tried to eliminate judicial review of the legislature, backed off due to popular opposition. It would be like Trump getting rid of SCOTUS.

Not really. It was about reducing the scope of judicial review, trying to remove a power that SCOTUS for example does not have.

 

[bilby]

Yes, a lot of civilians unfortunately died too, and much of Gaza has been destroyed. But starting wars of aggression has conseqences

Which of those civilians started a war of aggression?

Is seems that living in the same area as people who start wars of aggression is what has consequences. Would you be OK with your family being killed by police, because your next door neighbour started a shootout with them? Would you just shrug, and say "starting a shootout with the cops has consequences"?

 

[Arctish]

Do you expect a news organization to not publish such statements?
Sounds like you do not want a news organization, you want a propaganda machine.

I expect them to not just parrot statements made by Hamas uncritically.

I expect news outlets to report what people say, not what their readers and listeners prefer to read and hear.