How should west respond to Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[barbos]

comparison of drone offensive by Russia and Ukraine.
rabidly pro-ukrainian publication counted 1 (one) out of 1400 attempts successful drone hit on proper Moscow. 1/1400 success rate. The rest were shot down at different distances from the target. Most in the country side. Compare that to russian ballisstic missiles success rate in Kiev of 100%
They also calculated cost it it roughly the same ~$70mil. Except each russian ballisttic missiles cary 500kg of explosives and that single shit plane was carrying 50kg.
Nazi clowns spent $70mil to have one (!!!) 50kg charge explode in Mosocow.
Of course it is Moscow and other places are not that good.

Regarding refineries, ukro drones were able to knock down only 10% (not 40% as reported by western scum media) And it was temporary.

I recall multiple times of drone strikes in Moscow. A lot more than one got through.

Your reading comprehension failed you again. Statistics which I refer to look at a certain and recent time period of intense ukrainian campaign.
The fact which was blurted by Elensky himself is that Kiev regime wasted all the money they had on this drone campaign and had no money to pay his soldiers.

 

[barbos]

This new Kiev Regime supreme commander is a real piece of shit war criminal.
WB, now he is attacking people on Black Sea beaches of Krasnodar. 8 dead including 3 children.

No, you attacked that beach.

Specifically, you shot down a Ukranian drone at a position that caused the wreckage to fall on the beach.

That doesn't look like a controlled strike to me.

Thank you.

Yeah, the drone went from level flight to freefall--whatever lifting force it had suddenly vanished. This would be almost impossible to aim, so there's no way the beach was the target. The camera is too far away to see what happened to it, but you wouldn't really expect to see much from flak at that range.

It looks exactly like any other successful hit by a drone.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Meanwhile for years and counting and Russians are being killed and cropped in Ukraine. For nothng. Russia being bombed.

Not for nothing, we are fighting for our survival.

No. Russia will survive losing the war, but you're going to lose other conquests who see they can escape your boot.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

In the Royal Fuck Up category, could you have done any better?

Sure. Drop a nuke. No boom.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Putin and Trump think alike. They both want to use force against a weak opponent, instead of discussion and negotiation. Now both of them are stuck like flies on fly paper. The difference is, Trump knows that no matter how much he fucks up, he can go back to Mar Lago and play golf. Putin knows that someday soon he is going to walk into a room and he is going to be carried out. The best part of it is, he'll be carried by people like you who will be looking around to see who will be the next fearless bully while saying, "I never liked Putin anyway."

The Felon will almost certainly be prosecuted upon leaving office unless some sort of deal is worked out.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Black Sea Fleet.

US World Ocean Fleet

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Last moments of the Moskva

I find this image very puzzling.

I had figured they had managed to kill it by hitting the big missiles on deck. But this ship doesn't seem to have the big missiles. Observe:

Russian cruiser Moskva - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

But other images I find don't have them, either:



But the superstructure of this ship does not match either of the images of the Moskova.

And I also find an interesting article about the shortcomings of the design:

Why The Moskva-Class Helicopter Cruiser Is Not the Best Naval Design for the Drone Era | Center for International Maritime Security

By Benjamin Claremont In a recent article titled "Is the Moskva-Class Helicopter Cruiser the Best Naval Design for the Drone Era?" author Przemysław Ziemacki proposed that the Moskva-class cruiser would be a useful model for future surface combatants. He writes, “A ship design inspired by this...

cimsec.org

Look at the pictures of how poorly it handles rough seas. Think the radars would do a good job of tracking sea skimmers when they're getting splashed? (Yeah, it's exposed naval equipment, salt water isn't going to do harm. But it's going to cause interference.) Think that might have something to do with it's promotion to submarine?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Note: Just looking at the screen, I haven't watched it.

You want to appear threatening and you complain about people being afraid of you?! You can't have it both ways.

 

[Elixir]

You want to appear threatening and you complain about people being afraid of you?!

Someone is scared of babs?
WTF?
That’s like being scared of Dad jokes.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Too late you assholes. Rassvet is up and usable for strikes inside Ukraine.

Without a cluster it won't maintain contact.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

This new Kiev Regime supreme commander is a real piece of shit war criminal.
WB, now he is attacking people on Black Sea beaches of Krasnodar. 8 dead including 3 children.

No, you attacked that beach.

Specifically, you shot down a Ukranian drone at a position that caused the wreckage to fall on the beach.

That doesn't look like a controlled strike to me.

Thank you.

Yeah, the drone went from level flight to freefall--whatever lifting force it had suddenly vanished. This would be almost impossible to aim, so there's no way the beach was the target. The camera is too far away to see what happened to it, but you wouldn't really expect to see much from flak at that range.

It looks exactly like any other successful hit by a drone.

Doesn't look remotely like a successful hit to me. If you actually want to hit something with a kamikaze you aim for it! That is a reasonable flight profile for an aircraft-delivered bomb, but it involves a lot of work to get it right. If you're not bringing the launch platform home there's no reason to take the big accuracy hit that it incurs.

I'm aware of only one weapon that intentionally aims not at the target--the Javelin. (Although I would not be shocked to learn that someone else has built a similar device.) And it doesn't do a trajectory like this, it flies close overhead and fires a penetrator down through the top armor.

And the Harpoon (and probably similar missiles also) do a pop-up at the end of their flight, but then they turn down, flying straight into the target. They do not do anything like this drone.

Also, you have some anti-ship missiles that fly a mixed high/low profile, one missile up high as eyes for the others hiding down low. But they're still going to dive on their target.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Putin Humiliated as Russians Rage Over 'Catastrophe' Cover-Up

A city overcome by toxic sludge says a brewing “apocalypse” is being ignored to prop up Putin’s war.

www.thedailybeast.com

So focused on Ukraine that you can't address other things that go wrong.

 

[Bronzeage]

comparison of drone offensive by Russia and Ukraine.
rabidly pro-ukrainian publication counted 1 (one) out of 1400 attempts successful drone hit on proper Moscow. 1/1400 success rate. The rest were shot down at different distances from the target. Most in the country side. Compare that to russian ballisstic missiles success rate in Kiev of 100%
They also calculated cost it it roughly the same ~$70mil. Except each russian ballisttic missiles cary 500kg of explosives and that single shit plane was carrying 50kg.
Nazi clowns spent $70mil to have one (!!!) 50kg charge explode in Mosocow.
Of course it is Moscow and other places are not that good.

Regarding refineries, ukro drones were able to knock down only 10% (not 40% as reported by western scum media) And it was temporary.

I recall multiple times of drone strikes in Moscow. A lot more than one got through.

Your reading comprehension failed you again. Statistics which I refer to look at a certain and recent time period of intense ukrainian campaign.
The fact which was blurted by Elensky himself is that Kiev regime wasted all the money they had on this drone campaign and had no money to pay his soldiers.

And yet, the refineries, the warehouses, and the ships continue to burn.

Black Sea Fleet.

US World Ocean Fleet

View attachment 54997
Last moments of the Moskva

I find this image very puzzling.

I had figured they had managed to kill it by hitting the big missiles on deck. But this ship doesn't seem to have the big missiles. Observe:

Russian cruiser Moskva - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

But other images I find don't have them, either:



But the superstructure of this ship does not match either of the images of the Moskova.

And I also find an interesting article about the shortcomings of the design:

Why The Moskva-Class Helicopter Cruiser Is Not the Best Naval Design for the Drone Era | Center for International Maritime Security

By Benjamin Claremont In a recent article titled "Is the Moskva-Class Helicopter Cruiser the Best Naval Design for the Drone Era?" author Przemysław Ziemacki proposed that the Moskva-class cruiser would be a useful model for future surface combatants. He writes, “A ship design inspired by this...

cimsec.org

Look at the pictures of how poorly it handles rough seas. Think the radars would do a good job of tracking sea skimmers when they're getting splashed? (Yeah, it's exposed naval equipment, salt water isn't going to do harm. But it's going to cause interference.) Think that might have something to do with it's promotion to submarine?

The Moskva was designed in the 1970's and launched put in service in 1983. It was designed for the previous generation of threats to ships, aircraft, air to ground missiles, etc. There's a good chance that what anti-missile defenses it had, were not functioning.

Getting hit by two missiles doesn't help buoyancy, but the actual sinking can be laid on poor Russian damage control, and the general condition of the ship before the strike.

 

[ZiprHead]

Oh no. It would seem that Steven Segal is no longer above the law, although whether he is marked for death or hard to kill remains to be seen, personally I’d suggest he keeps away from 2nd story windows or he may find himself on deadly ground. I’m sure that having to sell his mansion in a posh Moscow suburb back in January makes him feel under siege, but he’d be under siege too if he went back to the US, having made the executive decision to flee to Russia where he’d be out of reach following a series of rape allegations and a fine for crypto fraud.

 

[ZiprHead]

So apparently a mystery country has given Ukraine some badly needed Patriot missiles --confirmed by Zelensky. They've received other missiles as well.

https://m.youtube.com/post/UgkxmMZow2-S2Z40HXxyIKFqYJqf252X4M9N

 

[Ovazor]

View attachment 54997
Last moments of the Moskva

I find this image very puzzling.

I had figured they had managed to kill it by hitting the big missiles on deck. But this ship doesn't seem to have the big missiles. Observe:

Russian cruiser Moskva - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

But other images I find don't have them, either:



But the superstructure of this ship does not match either of the images of the Moskova.

And I also find an interesting article about the shortcomings of the design:

Why The Moskva-Class Helicopter Cruiser Is Not the Best Naval Design for the Drone Era | Center for International Maritime Security

By Benjamin Claremont In a recent article titled "Is the Moskva-Class Helicopter Cruiser the Best Naval Design for the Drone Era?" author Przemysław Ziemacki proposed that the Moskva-class cruiser would be a useful model for future surface combatants. He writes, “A ship design inspired by this...

cimsec.org

Look at the pictures of how poorly it handles rough seas. Think the radars would do a good job of tracking sea skimmers when they're getting splashed? (Yeah, it's exposed naval equipment, salt water isn't going to do harm. But it's going to cause interference.) Think that might have something to do with it's promotion to submarine?

Your image is of a different ship. The helicopter carrier Moskva was decommissioned in 1995 and scrapped in the late 1990s. The Slava class cruiser Slava was renamed Moskva in 1995 and it is the latter ship the Ukrainians sunk.

 

[barbos]

And yet, the refineries, the warehouses, and the ships continue to burn.

Nope

 

[barbos]

 

[barbos]

Doesn't look remotely like a successful hit to me. If you actually want to hit something with a kamikaze you aim for it!

They aimed at the beach full of people and they hit that beach full of people.

 

[barbos]

Too late you assholes. Rassvet is up and usable for strikes inside Ukraine.

Without a cluster it won't maintain contact.

no need for constant contact. We can strike your terrorists when there is contact.

 

[Ovazor]

Russian space shuttle .. hmm we must have copied it.

Actually you did. Not shuttle but that thing which are actually flying now.
Yes, Buran was coppied because Brezhenev told engineers that he wants it too.
And they successfully "copied" it.

And then did nothing with it, just let it rot.

Well, the Soviet economy crashed due to badly flawed economic model, rampart corruption and widespread theft of state property, and military spending well beyond their means. They did nothing with it because they run out of money so badly that they could not even afford to remove snow from the roof of the hangar the thing was stored in - which lead to the roof collapsing and destroying the shuttle.

As for the current Russian economy, it is suffering from flawed economic model, rampart corruption and theft of public proprerty, and military spending they cannot afford. It is not hard to guess where they are heading.