Well you go right on ahead and keep talking about Him if you want.
It's not like you could stop us.
Well you go right on ahead and keep talking about Him if you want.
The reason that the atheist definition is so vague is because when we ask ten different Christians what they mean by God, we get twelve different answers, so it's impossible to nail down WTF anyone is talking about.
The one thing that can be agreed on, however, is that whatever the fuck it is people are referencing when using that word, it's really kind of stupid.
I don't think the atheist definition of what they don't believe in is vague.
God is the alpha and the omega. Surely that covers everything pan-atheism disbelieves in.
I think the question of the existence of God isn't nearly as important or interesting as the question of Christian "morality."
[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGWCxBiCt7Y[/YOUTUBE]
I think the question of the existence of God isn't nearly as important or interesting as the question of Christian "morality."
So if we have a definition of god that is specific enough to be proved or disproved, that would be bad because only atheists define things that way?
Huh.
It's almost as if you are purposefully avoiding anything that will allow you to find out if the things you believe are true or false. It's as if you are purposefully avoiding learning if you what you believe is true or false. I wonder why you would choose to do something like that? Can you think of a reason you would choose to do something like that?
I think the question of the existence of God isn't nearly as important or interesting as the question of Christian "morality."
The existence of God is the wrong thing to be wrong about.
I think the question of the existence of God isn't nearly as important or interesting as the question of Christian "morality."
The existence of God is the wrong thing to be wrong about.
Definitely. It's the so called "morals" that so often come with it. The only useful overlap (in my opinion) is that belief in God thrives in ignorance and fear, and god belief goes hand-in-hand with zealotry and inhumane ideology. It's worth it to challenge the belief itself sometimes.
By the way, did you watch the video?
If his complaint is simply that some/many Christians dont follow good Christian morals there's no argument from me - I sin plenty of times.
No one said anything about a microscope. I don't know why you felt the need to bring up that particular detail.So if we have a definition of god that is specific enough to be proved or disproved, that would be bad because only atheists define things that way?
Huh.
It's almost as if you are purposefully avoiding anything that will allow you to find out if the things you believe are true or false. It's as if you are purposefully avoiding learning if you what you believe is true or false. I wonder why you would choose to do something like that? Can you think of a reason you would choose to do something like that?
I'm not sitting here wondering whether or not God exists.
And neither do I need to see God in a microscope to 'prove' He exists.
Then don't worship the test tube god. Whether or not you can prove the existence of the test tube god or the milk carton god or the god of used chewing gum or Vishnu or Zeus or Odin is irrelevant. What is relevant is that you have claimed your god exists, and you are carefully avoiding the one thing that would make it possible for you to prove that what you believe to be true actually is true.Actually, I'm not sure I would worship that kind of a test tube god.
If his complaint is simply that some/many Christians dont follow good Christian morals there's no argument from me - I sin plenty of times.
So, are you saying that being a christian does nothing at all to improve your behavior? That Christianity is not likely to decrease sin at all?
What’s the point, then?
...I think deep down, you already know why you spend so much effort avoiding this.
...I think deep down, you already know why you spend so much effort avoiding this.
The most intellectually dishonest and laziest form of argument on earth.
"Secretly, you know I'm right."
"Deep down you agree with me but can't admit it"
It certainly is an either/or thing. Harris wouldn't agree with me on what IS moral.
He would point to bible morals and label them immoral.
If his complaint is simply that some/many Christians dont follow good Christian morals there's no argument from me - I sin plenty of times.
But that humans sin, is nowhere near being an argument against the existence of the God who arbitrates moral law.