Immigrant Concentration Camps

[Jimmy Higgins]

Have not, not may not.

Global terrorism is at its lowest rate in decades, if not ever.

False. Right Wing ethno-nationalist terrorism has never been more prevalent!

It could be argued that it was much worse in the 20's and 30's.

But I don't think limiting immigrants will solve that problem. Maybe doing something to disrupt the right wing ethno-nationalist groups would work better, but I suppose appeasement is more Angelo's game?

I don't think it's right to negotiate with terrorists, but maybe that's just how Angelo rolls.

It is odd, you think someone is just a conservative, but after a while you learn how radicalized they actually are, and how the alleged technical reasons for their positions were just a smoke screen.

 

[angelo]

Have not, not may not.

Global terrorism is at its lowest rate in decades, if not ever.

That's mainly because today most terrorist attacks [ in the West at least] are discovered before the perpetrators can act and kill innocent people.

It is? Is that why murders in the US are down too, because they have been preemptively prevented?

You avoid news sources that conflict with your self and Western loathing ideology don't you?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_thwarted_Islamist_terrorist_attacks

 

[Jarhyn]

It is? Is that why murders in the US are down too, because they have been preemptively prevented?

You avoid news sources that conflict with your self and Western loathing ideology don't you?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_thwarted_Islamist_terrorist_attacks

I think that's a pretty unfair statement to make. Personally, I avoid news sources that won't call ethno-nationalist terrorists "terrorists".

 

[ZiprHead]

 

[angelo]

Perhaps America could learn so much from India on how to handle illegal immigrants.............................

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/07/...om-indias-war-against-illegal-muslim-migrants

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

So we had this happen in America.

A U.S.-born 18-year-old has been released from immigration custody after wrongfully being detained for more than three weeks.

Francisco Erwin Galicia left a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement detention center in Pearsall, Texas, on Tuesday. His lawyer, Claudia Galan, confirmed he had been released, less than a day after The Dallas Morning News reported about his detention.

Galicia lives in the border city of Edinburg, Texas, and was traveling north with a group of friends when they were stopped at a Border Patrol inland checkpoint. According to Galan and the Morning News, agents apprehended Galicia on suspicion that he was in the U.S. illegally even though he had a Texas state ID.

Now, there were circumstances that did create legitimate doubt about what nation he was a citizen of. However, this is the reason why we don't just presume guilt. The Civil Rights of an American were violated, and this kid has a pretty open shut lawsuit against the US Government.

 

[ZiprHead]

So we had this happen in America.

A U.S.-born 18-year-old has been released from immigration custody after wrongfully being detained for more than three weeks.

Francisco Erwin Galicia left a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement detention center in Pearsall, Texas, on Tuesday. His lawyer, Claudia Galan, confirmed he had been released, less than a day after The Dallas Morning News reported about his detention.

Galicia lives in the border city of Edinburg, Texas, and was traveling north with a group of friends when they were stopped at a Border Patrol inland checkpoint. According to Galan and the Morning News, agents apprehended Galicia on suspicion that he was in the U.S. illegally even though he had a Texas state ID.

Now, there were circumstances that did create legitimate doubt about what nation he was a citizen of. However, this is the reason why we don't just presume guilt. The Civil Rights of an American were violated, and this kid has a pretty open shut lawsuit against the US Government.

As I understand, he had more than just his state ID, he had several other documents confirming his citizenship status.

He was also held far longer than the 72 hours maximum required by law.

Yup, that kid is going to get a well-deserved ton of money.

 

[Worldtraveller]

So we had this happen in America.

A U.S.-born 18-year-old has been released from immigration custody after wrongfully being detained for more than three weeks.

Francisco Erwin Galicia left a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement detention center in Pearsall, Texas, on Tuesday. His lawyer, Claudia Galan, confirmed he had been released, less than a day after The Dallas Morning News reported about his detention.

Galicia lives in the border city of Edinburg, Texas, and was traveling north with a group of friends when they were stopped at a Border Patrol inland checkpoint. According to Galan and the Morning News, agents apprehended Galicia on suspicion that he was in the U.S. illegally even though he had a Texas state ID.

Now, there were circumstances that did create legitimate doubt about what nation he was a citizen of. However, this is the reason why we don't just presume guilt. The Civil Rights of an American were violated, and this kid has a pretty open shut lawsuit against the US Government.

As I understand, he had more than just his state ID, he had several other documents confirming his citizenship status.

He was also held far longer than the 72 hours maximum required by law.

Yup, that kid is going to get a well-deserved ton of money.

I doubt it. The way the courts and criminal system protect the cops, ICE, and other criminal organizations, he'll probably get squat.

 

[angelo]

As I understand, he had more than just his state ID, he had several other documents confirming his citizenship status.

He was also held far longer than the 72 hours maximum required by law.

Yup, that kid is going to get a well-deserved ton of money.

I doubt it. The way the courts and criminal system protect the cops, ICE, and other criminal organizations, he'll probably get squat.

If compensation has to be paid to every person ever wrongly arrested, no mater how trivial the matter, it would cost taxpayers billions which could be used for far more useful purposes, like housing genuine homeless and destitute American legal citizens.

 

[lpetrich]

If compensation has to be paid to every person ever wrongly arrested, no mater how trivial the matter, it would cost taxpayers billions which could be used for far more useful purposes, like housing genuine homeless and destitute American legal citizens.

Does that apply if being wrongly arrested is for someone on your side?

 

[Jarhyn]

If compensation has to be paid to every person ever wrongly arrested, no mater how trivial the matter, it would cost taxpayers billions which could be used for far more useful purposes, like housing genuine homeless and destitute American legal citizens.

Does that apply if being wrongly arrested is for someone on your side?

"Or we could just stop arresting people and imprisoning them unlawfully without due process" seems a good alternative, too. It's not a trivial manner to get abducted and put in a concentration camp for "walking north while brown".

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

As I understand, he had more than just his state ID, he had several other documents confirming his citizenship status.

He was also held far longer than the 72 hours maximum required by law.

Yup, that kid is going to get a well-deserved ton of money.

I doubt it. The way the courts and criminal system protect the cops, ICE, and other criminal organizations, he'll probably get squat.

If compensation has to be paid to every person ever wrongly arrested, no mater how trivial the matter, it would cost taxpayers billions which could be used for far more useful purposes, like housing genuine homeless and destitute American legal citizens.

He wasn't just arrested. He was detained for three weeks, not allowed access to a lawyer.

 

[Patooka]

As I understand, he had more than just his state ID, he had several other documents confirming his citizenship status.

He was also held far longer than the 72 hours maximum required by law.

Yup, that kid is going to get a well-deserved ton of money.

I doubt it. The way the courts and criminal system protect the cops, ICE, and other criminal organizations, he'll probably get squat.

If compensation has to be paid to every person ever wrongly arrested, no mater how trivial the matter, it would cost taxpayers billions which could be used for far more useful purposes, like housing genuine homeless and destitute American legal citizens.

Good.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

As I understand, he had more than just his state ID, he had several other documents confirming his citizenship status.

He was also held far longer than the 72 hours maximum required by law.

Yup, that kid is going to get a well-deserved ton of money.

I doubt it. The way the courts and criminal system protect the cops, ICE, and other criminal organizations, he'll probably get squat.

If compensation has to be paid to every person ever wrongly arrested, no mater how trivial the matter, it would cost taxpayers billions which could be used for far more useful purposes, like housing genuine homeless and destitute American legal citizens.

Alternately, law enforcement would be a lot more careful about arrest first and ask questions later.

However, in this situation I don't think he is owed any compensation because of the false documents. Even though he wasn't illegal neither was he arrested for no fault of his own.

 

[bilby]

If compensation has to be paid to every person ever wrongly arrested, no mater how trivial the matter, it would cost taxpayers billions which could be used for far more useful purposes, like housing genuine homeless and destitute American legal citizens.

Alternately, law enforcement would be a lot more careful about arrest first and ask questions later.

However, in this situation I don't think he is owed any compensation because of the false documents. Even though he wasn't illegal neither was he arrested for no fault of his own.

Horsecrap. ICE are constitutionally prohibited from demanding his documents in the first place. Therefore there cannot be any wrongdoing on his part by presenting them with anything, or nothing - no matter how misleading it might be to them.

Documents that you are not allowed to examine cannot be 'false' in any reasonable sense.

 

[ZiprHead]

If compensation has to be paid to every person ever wrongly arrested, no mater how trivial the matter, it would cost taxpayers billions which could be used for far more useful purposes, like housing genuine homeless and destitute American legal citizens.

Alternately, law enforcement would be a lot more careful about arrest first and ask questions later.

However, in this situation I don't think he is owed any compensation because of the false documents. Even though he wasn't illegal neither was he arrested for no fault of his own.

Horsecrap. ICE are constitutionally prohibited from demanding his documents in the first place. Therefore there cannot be any wrongdoing on his part by presenting them with anything, or nothing - no matter how misleading it might be to them.

Documents that you are not allowed to examine cannot be 'false' in any reasonable sense.

What false documents? I haven't heard anything about his documents being false.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Horsecrap. ICE are constitutionally prohibited from demanding his documents in the first place. Therefore there cannot be any wrongdoing on his part by presenting them with anything, or nothing - no matter how misleading it might be to them.

Documents that you are not allowed to examine cannot be 'false' in any reasonable sense.

What false documents? I haven't heard anything about his documents being false.

I don't know all the details but he did have some false stuff--his mother trying to hide her illegal status.

 

[bilby]

Horsecrap. ICE are constitutionally prohibited from demanding his documents in the first place. Therefore there cannot be any wrongdoing on his part by presenting them with anything, or nothing - no matter how misleading it might be to them.

Documents that you are not allowed to examine cannot be 'false' in any reasonable sense.

What false documents? I haven't heard anything about his documents being false.

I don't know all the details but he did have some false stuff--his mother trying to hide her illegal status.

Again, documents that you are not allowed to examine cannot be 'false' in any reasonable sense.

The existence of documents that might or might not be false if presented in other contexts is completely irrelevant where the Bill of Rights prohibits the government from examining those documents without probable cause that they didn't have.

Seriously, this is foundational US freedom stuff. If you won't defend the Bill of Rights against abuse by the government or its agencies, then you no longer have the nation to which your constitution used to apply. You have something new and a great deal more unpleasant and dangerous.

Your entire government and military is sworn to prevent this kind of abuse from occurring.

It's as indefensible as any imaginable act by a US government agency. And here you are, seeking to defend it. Why do you hate America?

 

[angelo]

If compensation has to be paid to every person ever wrongly arrested, no mater how trivial the matter, it would cost taxpayers billions which could be used for far more useful purposes, like housing genuine homeless and destitute American legal citizens.

Does that apply if being wrongly arrested is for someone on your side?

"Or we could just stop arresting people and imprisoning them unlawfully without due process" seems a good alternative, too. It's not a trivial manner to get abducted and put in a concentration camp for "walking north while brown".

You just don't get it do you? WTF does colour or race has to do with anything? These people are trying to enter another sovereign country illegally! What would you suggest the authorities should do, chaffour them in limos to wherever they want to go and perhaps handed a satchel full of money?

 

[bilby]

"Or we could just stop arresting people and imprisoning them unlawfully without due process" seems a good alternative, too. It's not a trivial manner to get abducted and put in a concentration camp for "walking north while brown".

You just don't get it do you? WTF does colour or race has to do with anything? These people are trying to enter another sovereign country illegally! What would you suggest the authorities should do, chaffour them in limos to wherever they want to go and perhaps handed a satchel full of money?

"These people" are US citizens traveling to a soccer match in the US, from their home in the US. They are not trying to enter any other sovereign country, and I suggest that the authorities obey the constitution they are sworn to uphold.

Why the fuck you think that any other response is even vaguely acceptable I do not know. But I have very strong suspicions.