The Joker, Incels, Threats And FBI Warnings

[repoman]

That's just it.
Women wanted the same rights that men reserved for themselves.
Incels want more rights than people currently have.
They figure sex is a right and they deserve pussy even against a woman's personal choice.
This isn't sane, it's rape.

Seeing that incel means a guy who can't get sex, that's a pretty broad and unfair generalization. It's like saying fat people figure they have a right to eat off your plate. Some do, but it seems a bit unfair to generalize that to all of them.

I think that there is a useful distinction between someone who is in a dry spell who in a "state of incel" and somebody who is in an echo chamber.

Pre internet a guy would complain to maybe ten people about dating issues. Probably only one of them at most would have any take like that on insular incel boards.

Also seen some evidence that these boards are often like crabs in a bucket for guy who stumble into dating success (or heaven forbid a girl who likes him and is committed to him) despite the excessive pessimism they get from perusing said boards.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

It is a sad fact of society, enabled further by the internet, yes. And it's not exclusive to "incel" boards. It's the standard way people get recruited or drawn into many different sorts of cults, hate groups, terrorist groups, etc. They feel shunned and ostracized from society, and the only people who will show them empathy is the group they join, and often that sole source of outreach and empathy turns out to be bad news. Then suddenly society does care about these people and shows them the attention they craved, but in a negative light, pushing them further and further into the darker side of these groups. If their clearest path to the attention and recognition they seek is to become monsters, then become monsters they will.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

It is a sad fact of society, enabled further by the internet, yes. And it's not exclusive to "incel" boards. It's the standard way people get recruited or drawn into many different sorts of cults, hate groups, terrorist groups, etc. They feel shunned and ostracized from society, and the only people who will show them empathy is the group they join, and often that sole source of outreach and empathy turns out to be bad news. Then suddenly society does care about these people and shows them the attention they craved, but in a negative light, pushing them further and further into the darker side of these groups. If their clearest path to the attention and recognition they seek is to become monsters, then become monsters they will.

Are we talking about toddlers or adults?

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Are we talking about toddlers or adults?

Both. And mocking such adults as being toddlers will only feed more into this.

 

[Half-Life]

That's just it.
Women wanted the same rights that men reserved for themselves.
Incels want more rights than people currently have.
They figure sex is a right and they deserve pussy even against a woman's personal choice.
This isn't sane, it's rape.

Seeing that incel means a guy who can't get sex, that's a pretty broad and unfair generalization. It's like saying fat people figure they have a right to eat off your plate. Some do, but it seems a bit unfair to generalize that to all of them.

I think that there is a useful distinction between someone who is in a dry spell who in a "state of incel" and somebody who is in an echo chamber.

Pre internet a guy would complain to maybe ten people about dating issues. Probably only one of them at most would have any take like that on insular incel boards.

Also seen some evidence that these boards are often like crabs in a bucket for guy who stumble into dating success (or heaven forbid a girl who likes him and is committed to him) despite the excessive pessimism they get from perusing said boards.

This very simple picture explains why incels are fed up at women:

https://me.me/i/dont-worry-baby-hes-just-a-nerd-why-do-they-955f705b1e254ea3894085927a701fac

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Are we talking about toddlers or adults?

Both. And mocking such adults as being toddlers will only feed more into this.

Odd, I didn’t even know they existed until that one guy decided to go killing spree because of no sex.

 

[repoman]

So, what is causing the machete violence related to what may actually be a good and earnest crime film in Birmingham, UK?

What toxicity are they still responsible for being despite caught up in some sort of echo chamber?

Or is this same as football hooliganism and crowd based?

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/01/in...ism-threat-texas-warns-of-an-incel-rebellion/

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Misogynistic men who identify as part of the “Involuntary Celibate” movement are domestic terrorism threats, according to a new report.
The Texas Department of Public Safety included the warning in their 2020, “Texas Domestic Terrorism Threat Assessment” (PDF).
“Although not a new movement, Involuntary Celibates (Incels) are an emerging domestic terrorism threat as current adherents demonstrate marked acts or threats of violence in furtherance of their social grievance,” the report noted. “Once viewed as a criminal threat by many law enforcement authorities, Incels are now seen as a growing domestic terrorism concern due to the ideological nature of recent Incel attacks internationally, nationwide, and in Texas.”
....

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

https://www.newsweek.com/westgate-g...ntended-shoot-couples-prosecutor-says-1505837

Armando Hernandez Jr.—the 20-year-old suspect arrested for the Wednesday night shooting at the Westgate Entertainment District in Glendale, Arizona which injured three people—identifies as an "incel" who was deliberately targeting couples during his shooting spree, according to a state prosecutor.An incel is a person who sees themselves as an "involuntary celibate" after being romantically rejected by women. Many incels are enviously angered by men and women who are in relationships with one another.
...
The prosecutor said that Hernandez wanted his people to feel the pain he feels on a daily basis and that he has been contemplating a shooting at Westgate for "at least three to four years."

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Crazy bastards with guns.

 

[Derec]

Crazy bastards with guns.

I blame the fact that all those players are having sex with a multitude of women, leaving many men with no opportunity for sex, except for visiting sex workers - which is unfortunately and inexplicably criminalized in most of the country.

 

[Jarhyn]

Crazy bastards with guns.

I blame the fact that all those players are having sex with a multitude of women, leaving many men with no opportunity for sex, except for visiting sex workers - which is unfortunately and inexplicably criminalized in most of the country.

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[Derec]

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[removed for consistency] "sexual economics" in our society is skewed in a way similar to the Pareto Principle and that fact has detrimental consequences such as these occasional attacks.

There are significantly more sexless men than women. You can downvote me all you want, it doesn't change the facts.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

Crazy bastards with guns.

I blame the fact that all those players are having sex with a multitude of women, leaving many men with no opportunity for sex, except for visiting sex workers - which is unfortunately and inexplicably criminalized in most of the country.

So. It isn't the fault of the violence prone incels, it is somebody elses fault? This nasty little incel has been apparently threatening shootings online for some time now. Why we need strict red flag laws. Mentally ill and violent, a bad combination.

 

[Jarhyn]

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[removed for consistency] "sexual economics" in our society is skewed in a way similar to the Pareto Principle and that fact has detrimental consequences such as these occasional attacks.

There are significantly more sexless men than women. You can downvote me all you want, it doesn't change the facts.
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So, what, you're documenting the growth and explosion of the Incel movement and nothing more. You put the cart before the horse; the thing driving young men to not have sex is their isolation into the cult that pulls men away from the meaningful self-questioning and self-awareness that eventually enables them to have healthy relationships.

Turns out that when you allow your frustrations about your virginity to drive you into an echo-chamber cult that insulates you from growth, you don't grow into a fuckable person.

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[Loren Pechtel]

[removed] "sexual economics" in our society is skewed in a way similar to the Pareto Principle and that fact has detrimental consequences such as these occasional attacks.

There are significantly more sexless men than women. You can downvote me all you want, it doesn't change the facts.
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Tinder plays big role in this. There are so many choices that people get choosy, the most attractive get lots of partners, the less attractive get almost none.

 

[Derec]

Tinder plays big role in this. There are so many choices that people get choosy, the most attractive get lots of partners, the less attractive get almost none.

But it is not even for the genders. Vast majority of women can easily get laid on Tinder, but only a small minority of men can.

Tinder Experiments II: Guys, unless you are really hot you are probably better off not wasting your time on Tinder — a quantitative socio-economic study

 

[Derec]

So, what, you're documenting the growth and explosion of the Incel movement and nothing more. You put the cart before the horse;

No, you are. This documents the cause of the incel movement. Men who are getting passed over for sex are getting increasingly frustrated, and a small minority of them lashes out violently. That doesn't mean that the problem is not a real one. Making fun of people who have difficult time getting laid is not only cruel but also counterproductive!

Loren is right that the trend has a lot to do with dating/hookup sites like Tinder. Women on those sites, at least a huge majority of them, can get laid very easily. However, only a small minority of men can.

Tinder Experiments II: Guys, unless you are really hot you are probably better off not wasting your time on Tinder — a quantitative socio-economic study

That is a systemic imbalance that should not be ignored.

the thing driving young men to not have sex is their isolation into the cult that pulls men away from the meaningful self-questioning and self-awareness that eventually enables them to have healthy relationships.

You got it exactly backwards. It is the rejection that is driving these men into isolation and a small minority of them into an extreme response.

Turns out that when you allow your frustrations about your virginity to drive you into an echo-chamber cult that insulates you from growth, you don't grow into a fuckable person.

Turns out that when women on dating sites already decide that you are not a fuckable person because they all think they deserve one of the top 20% of the guys on the site and exclusively reply to their messages, it is very difficult to have the kind of growth you imagine.

I can tell you right now that if I was a woman, I would NEVER have sex with you,

I always thought you were a woman. In any case, ditto. If you were a woman, I still would not fuck you with a borrowed dick.


But I have to ask you this: why are you so unable to discuss this issue without personal vitriol?

 

[Jokodo]

No, you are. This documents the cause of the incel movement. Men who are getting passed over for sex are getting increasingly frustrated, and a small minority of them lashes out violently. That doesn't mean that the problem is not a real one. Making fun of people who have difficult time getting laid is not only cruel but also counterproductive!

Loren is right that the trend has a lot to do with dating/hookup sites like Tinder. Women on those sites, at least a huge majority of them, can get laid very easily. However, only a small minority of men can.

Tinder Experiments II: Guys, unless you are really hot you are probably better off not wasting your time on Tinder — a quantitative socio-economic study

That is a systemic imbalance that should not be ignored.


You got it exactly backwards. It is the rejection that is driving these men into isolation and a small minority of them into an extreme response.

Turns out that when you allow your frustrations about your virginity to drive you into an echo-chamber cult that insulates you from growth, you don't grow into a fuckable person.

Turns out that when women on dating sites already decide that you are not a fuckable person because they all think they deserve one of the top 20% of the guys on the site and exclusively reply to their messages, it is very difficult to have the kind of growth you imagine.

When did scoring dates on tinder become a prerequisite for growing into a person able to communicate compassion and empathy?

How did members of previous generations manage it when tinder wasn't even around?

 

[Jarhyn]

No, you are. This documents the cause of the incel movement. Men who are getting passed over for sex are getting increasingly frustrated, and a small minority of them lashes out violently. That doesn't mean that the problem is not a real one. Making fun of people who have difficult time getting laid is not only cruel but also counterproductive!

Loren is right that the trend has a lot to do with dating/hookup sites like Tinder. Women on those sites, at least a huge majority of them, can get laid very easily. However, only a small minority of men can.

Tinder Experiments II: Guys, unless you are really hot you are probably better off not wasting your time on Tinder — a quantitative socio-economic study

That is a systemic imbalance that should not be ignored.


You got it exactly backwards. It is the rejection that is driving these men into isolation and a small minority of them into an extreme response.

Turns out that when you allow your frustrations about your virginity to drive you into an echo-chamber cult that insulates you from growth, you don't grow into a fuckable person.

Turns out that when women on dating sites already decide that you are not a fuckable person because they all think they deserve one of the top 20% of the guys on the site and exclusively reply to their messages, it is very difficult to have the kind of growth you imagine.

When did scoring dates on tinder become a prerequisite for growing into a person able to communicate compassion and empathy?

How did members of previous generations manage it when tinder wasn't even around?

What he wants to do is find a convenient scapegoat. He is like the forefathers to the Incel movement, the rare, lost people who are so repellant and resistant to change and growth that, once they got a platform, convinced others who once could have grown that they didn't need to.

The internet allowed the cancer to metastasize. This is the documentation of that metastasis, nothing more.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

How did members of previous generations manage it when tinder wasn't even around?

In Access Hollywood buses?