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"Coronavirus and the US" or "We are all going to die!!!!"

Loren Pechtel said:
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Moscow University promise cheap vaccine in 3 months.
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Moscow has been telling a lot of lies in order to stir up trouble in the west. Why should we think this is not more of the same? 3 months is simply too short for the test cycle, not to mention ramping up production once you have figured out what works.
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It's Moscow State University, not Moscow
 
That doesn't read like what a Physician would write. lpetrich's post is much closer.
 
Coronavirus updates: China reports no new domestic cases

For the first time since the global coronavirus outbreak began, China has reported no new domestic cases of the illness.

Only eight deaths were reported for Wednesday, all of which occurred in Hubei province, which includes the city of Wuhan where the pandemic started. Globally, the number of coronavirus cases has topped 200,000, according to Johns Hopkins University.

Efforts to contain the spread of the virus in the U.S. and Europe have brought life in many major cities to a standstill, and governments are launching a variety of aid packages meant to alleviate the worst of the economic impact.

Markets were calmer on Thursday with the Dow Jones Industrial Average opening lower by around 200 points and the S&P 500 and Nasdaq down by just under 1 percent each.
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If you want to know how bad it can get, don't look at Italy - look at San Marino.

Italy is a big country with 60 million+ inhabitants, so in terms of mortality rates relative to the entire population, the numbers might still look relatively harmless. But, big but, while cases have been reported in every province, a clear majority still occur in a small number of hot spots. San Marino, a small nation of 33,000 (yes, thousands, not millions) surrounded by Italy is more or less inside one such hotspot. They have 14 confirmed deaths due to COVID 19 as of yesterday (with 3 new deaths reported yesterday, so it doesn't look like it's over either).

Applying that rate to the population of the US gives you 140,000 - and the curves still pointing up.
 
Experimental drug holds promise for treating the coronavirus

There are early signs that an experimental treatment for people who become very sick from the coronavirus may start working within 24 hours of the first dose.

The treatment, an antiviral therapy called remdesivir, is thought to work by blocking the virus from reproducing itself in the body.

"It basically stops the production of the virus," Dr. Gregory Poland, an infectious diseases expert and director of the Mayo Clinic's Vaccine Research Group in Rochester, Minnesota, told NBC News.

Preliminarily, it seems at least two hospitalized patients who got the drug started to feel better the next day.
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ZiprHead said:
Experimental drug holds promise for treating the coronavirus

There are early signs that an experimental treatment for people who become very sick from the coronavirus may start working within 24 hours of the first dose.

The treatment, an antiviral therapy called remdesivir, is thought to work by blocking the virus from reproducing itself in the body.

"It basically stops the production of the virus," Dr. Gregory Poland, an infectious diseases expert and director of the Mayo Clinic's Vaccine Research Group in Rochester, Minnesota, told NBC News.

Preliminarily, it seems at least two hospitalized patients who got the drug started to feel better the next day.
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Two?

That's not data. I would expect a couple of patients in a placebo group to report feeling better within 24 hours of their first fake dose.

Patient self reporting is a poor way to judge a treatment; And two patients is a ridiculously small number on which to base any kind of claim.
 
Remdesivir and chloroquine aren't proven 'cures' but they are promising possibilities.

https://www.asbmb.org/asbmb-today/science/020620/could-an-old-malaria-drug-help-fight-the-new-coron
THE MEMBER MAGAZINE OF THE AMERICAN SOCIETY FOR BIOCHEMISTRY AND MOLECULAR BIOLOGY

In a three-page paper published Tuesday in Cell Research, scientists at the Wuhan Institute of Virology’s State Key Laboratory of Virology write that both chloroquine and the antiviral remdesivir were, individually, “highly effective” at inhibiting replication of the novel coronavirus in cell culture. Their drug screen evaluated five other drugs that were not effective. The authors could not be reached for comment.
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This paper is probably what spurred Dr. Gregory Poland to try it on patients.
 
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skepticalbip said:
Remdesivir and chloroquine aren't proven 'cures' but they are promising possibilities.

https://www.asbmb.org/asbmb-today/science/020620/could-an-old-malaria-drug-help-fight-the-new-coron
THE MEMBER MAGAZINE OF THE AMERICAN SOCIETY FOR BIOCHEMISTRY AND MOLECULAR BIOLOGY

In a three-page paper published Tuesday in Cell Research, scientists at the Wuhan Institute of Virology’s State Key Laboratory of Virology write that both chloroquine and the antiviral remdesivir were, individually, “highly effective” at inhibiting replication of the novel coronavirus in cell culture. Their drug screen evaluated five other drugs that were not effective. The authors could not be reached for comment.
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This paper is probably what spurred Dr. Gregory Poland to try it on patients.
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French study finds anti-malarial and antibiotic combo could reduce COVID-19 duration

A new study whose results were published in the International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents has found early evidence that the combination of hydroxychloroquine, a popular anti-malaria drug known under the trade name Plaqenuil, and antibiotic azithromycin (aka Zithromax or Azithrocin) could be especially effective in treating the COVID-19 coronavirus and reducing the duration of the virus in patients.
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Coronavirus death toll: Italy's is now higher than China's
The number of people who have died from the coronavirus in Italy has hit 3,405, according to Reuters, meaning the country has now reported more deaths than China as a result of the pandemic.

The death toll in China, where the coronavirus started in Wuhan, in Hubei province late 2019, currently stands at 3,249, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University.

Health officials in Italy said Thursday that the death toll had risen by 427 in the last 24 hours, with 475 deaths recorded the day before.
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As to how Italy got so much of COVID-19 so quickly, here are some articles about the numerous Chinese workers in Italy:
Every one of these articles is datelined to before the virus hopped onto human hosts in Wuhan, China in late 2019.

The articles describe a large population of Chinese residents without proper legal status. Lacking such status, these residents would naturally be afraid of going to doctors and hospitals for fear that they would be deported as illegally present. So the virus could easily spread among them.

I think that the Italian government ought to offer amnesty to any of these Chinese residents who would be willing to cooperate with quarantine and lockdown measures and also disease-tracking efforts.
 
lpetrich said:
Coronavirus death toll: Italy's is now higher than China's
The number of people who have died from the coronavirus in Italy has hit 3,405, according to Reuters, meaning the country has now reported more deaths than China as a result of the pandemic.

The death toll in China, where the coronavirus started in Wuhan, in Hubei province late 2019, currently stands at 3,249, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University.

Health officials in Italy said Thursday that the death toll had risen by 427 in the last 24 hours, with 475 deaths recorded the day before.
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As to how Italy got so much of COVID-19 so quickly, here are some articles about the numerous Chinese workers in Italy:
Every one of these articles is datelined to before the virus hopped onto human hosts in Wuhan, China in late 2019.

The articles describe a large population of Chinese residents without proper legal status. Lacking such status, these residents would naturally be afraid of going to doctors and hospitals for fear that they would be deported as illegally present. So the virus could easily spread among them.

I think that the Italian government ought to offer amnesty to any of these Chinese residents who would be willing to cooperate with quarantine and lockdown measures and also disease-tracking efforts.
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Are you saying the Chinese workers came to Italy from Wuhan? And traveled after the virus started in humans last year? I'm not seeing the connection there. They're not carriers just because they're Chinese. Have the workers been traveling back and forth in the last six months or something?
 
Angry Floof said:
Are you saying the Chinese workers came to Italy from Wuhan? And traveled after the virus started in humans last year? I'm not seeing the connection there. They're not carriers just because they're Chinese. Have the workers been traveling back and forth in the last six months or something?
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Certainly not but more new workers coming in or family visitors could bring in the virus which spread quickly through a close community. The question to ask to test the 'theory' would be if the early cases were centered in this community. I haven't seen if that question was asked.
 
Angry Floof said:
Are you saying the Chinese workers came to Italy from Wuhan? And traveled after the virus started in humans last year? I'm not seeing the connection there. They're not carriers just because they're Chinese. Have the workers been traveling back and forth in the last six months or something?
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You seem to be saying that there has to be a big population of Wuhan Chinese who moved to Italy not long after COVID-19 hopped to human hosts.

That is a totally unnecessary hypothesis, because the disease spread for some time before the Chinese authorities started containment measures. They didn't even think that it was a very big issue, at least not in public. So there was plenty of time for one or two infected Wuhan residents to go to Italy. That would be all that is necessary for the disease to get to Italy. Consider that "Typhoid Mary" was only one person.
 
lpetrich said:
Angry Floof said:
Are you saying the Chinese workers came to Italy from Wuhan? And traveled after the virus started in humans last year? I'm not seeing the connection there. They're not carriers just because they're Chinese. Have the workers been traveling back and forth in the last six months or something?
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You seem to be saying that there has to be a big population of Wuhan Chinese who moved to Italy not long after COVID-19 hopped to human hosts.

That is a totally unnecessary hypothesis, because the disease spread for some time before the Chinese authorities started containment measures. They didn't even think that it was a very big issue, at least not in public. So there was plenty of time for one or two infected Wuhan residents to go to Italy. That would be all that is necessary for the disease to get to Italy. Consider that "Typhoid Mary" was only one person.
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That's what I'm asking, if the Chinese workers traveled to Italy and if they were infected. Your post seemed to skip over all that. Other people have traveled to and from China in the last six months as well. It just seemed like pointing at Chinese workers without any evidence that they were the source of the virus in Italy.
 
COVID-19: Did you know about Italy's China connection
If there is one country that has suffered the most due to COVID-19 beyond China, it has to be the European country of Italy. But what is the connection between Italy and the novel coronavirus considering the deadly virus is reported to have originated from China?

The answer is fashionably simple. The northern part of Italy has been a traditionally prosperous region due to the flourishing fashion and garment industry. Most of the big global brands like Gucci and Prada have their base in this region. With China offering one of the cheapest manufacturing options in the world, it came as little surprise that most of these fashion brands were working with China.

A large number of these Italian fashion and garment houses had outsourced their manufacturing to Chinese labour, specifically in Wuhan. Italy also has direct flights from Wuhan and reports suggest over 100,000 Chinese citizens were working in Italian factories.
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Italy Suspends Visa Issuance and All Air Traffic From China - Schengen Visa Info - 2020 Jan 31
The decision of the Italian government was made public by the Italian Embassy in Beijing, through their official website.

“Following the spread of the ‘new coronavirus’ 2019-nCoV, originating from the city of Wuhan, in the Chinese province of Hubei, and due to the measures implemented by local authorities to contain the risk of contagion, all Italian Visa Centers in the Republic Chinese People’s will remain closed until February 9, 2020,” a statement of the Embassy reads.
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Timeline: The early days of China's coronavirus outbreak and cover-up - Axios
This timeline, compiled from information reported by the Wall Street Journal, the Washington Post, the South China Morning Post and other sources, shows that China's cover-up and the delay in serious measures to contain the virus lasted about three weeks.

Dec. 10: Wei Guixian, one of the earliest known coronavirus patients, starts feeling ill.

Dec. 16: Patient admitted to Wuhan Central Hospital with infection in both lungs but resistant to anti-flu drugs. Staff later learned he worked at a wildlife market connected to the outbreak.

Dec. 27: Wuhan health officials are told that a new coronavirus is causing the illness.

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A wildlife market? That fits. COVID-19 must have jumped hosts from some wild animal to its captors. Numerous infectious diseases can jump hosts like that --  Zoonosis

Strains of flu have jumped hosts from pigs and ducks to us. The latest common ancestor of pigs and us was some ratlike animal with fangs instead of big front teeth that lived in the mid-Cretaceous, some 120 million years ago. Sort of like a small opossum, fangs and all. The latest common ancestor of ducks and us was some early reptile that lived in the late Carboniferous, some 312 million years ago.

Fangs (canine teeth) are an ancestral mammalian feature, and some mammal-like reptiles had them, like therapsids, as far back as the early Permian, some 275 million years ago.
 
bilby said:
skepticalbip said:
Remdesivir and chloroquine aren't proven 'cures' but they are promising possibilities.

https://www.asbmb.org/asbmb-today/science/020620/could-an-old-malaria-drug-help-fight-the-new-coron
THE MEMBER MAGAZINE OF THE AMERICAN SOCIETY FOR BIOCHEMISTRY AND MOLECULAR BIOLOGY

In a three-page paper published Tuesday in Cell Research, scientists at the Wuhan Institute of Virology’s State Key Laboratory of Virology write that both chloroquine and the antiviral remdesivir were, individually, “highly effective” at inhibiting replication of the novel coronavirus in cell culture. Their drug screen evaluated five other drugs that were not effective. The authors could not be reached for comment.
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Chloroquine has been used on patients for ages, while it's side effect profile leaves something to be desired most people don't have a problem with it. (I have personally taken it for more than a year back when it was still useful for malaria prophylaxis and experienced no side effects at all other than it's truly awful taste. While it was readily available in malaria territory the cheap local pills had no coating.)
 
It's bullshit. It's a show of power by the corrupt majority, to mock the desire for equal rights of those they regularly use and abuse.

You know why the grocery stores are empty? Because all of the lazy, piece of shit, corrupt motherfuckers who usually abuse restaurant workers are staying home- they have to cook food now. You don't see that many vehicles heading to work anymore. You know why? Most of the "workers" aren't doing shit... they're just ripping off the people who do the real work that keeps society afloat.


You know the type: don't do anything useful, but collect a big salary while avoiding all real labor. They're corrupt pieces of shit. [removed]. They don't do real work.


The only people who are still working are those that provide essential services. The good people. And the corrupt or stupid people (cops, military).
 
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