This is such an odd thing to say. Protests today are something different than what they were in the 1960'ies. In the 1960'ies
The point being that there's very few men at any protest about women's rights, and protests are just one example of where we might see men joining us.
But today we don't watch the news the same way. We share articles on social media. Not only that, the entire protest is fundamentally pointless because we can just do the protest in a youtube video and share on social media. A feminist video on youtube going viral is the equivalent of the Million Man march in 1963.
And yet very few men share those kinds of things and women and girls are still being harmed by men every minute of every day.
The reason why men don't show up to these is because it's not for them. They're not part of that club, no matter if we're feminist or not.
Thank you for that demonstration. Yes, exactly. men think women are not their business, but the fact that women and girls are harmed by men every minute of every day is a
men's issue. And thanks for reiterating the message that we cannot rely on men to recognize our humanity and just continue thinking of us as a group they don't need to care about.
You have a very skewed view about what is your business and what is not your business when it comes to women and girls being harmed by men every minute of every day.
Misogynist jokes aren't by definition bad. How a joke is told is as important as what the words are. You can say the most godawful disgusting and depraved things, but if you do it well people won't judge you negatively for it.
Yeah, that's the ticket! Some misogynist jokes are not misogynist. Whew. You're off the hook.
Anyway, "misogynist" means hate toward women. If the joke is benign and respectful and not in the least misogynist, then it is not misogynist.
Every twisted deflection is more bizarre and callous than the last.
Woke has become the enemy of humour and all forms of having fun. I don't think that's a good thing.
"Woke" a word black people have used to describe becoming aware of systemic racism and no longer following the social programming that supports it.
But "woke" is now redefined by butthurt white men as some kind of enemy. Thank goodness you have that copout. Must be quite a relief to have that lame excuse to not humble yourselves and stfu and listen instead of gracing the world with your golden opinions about anything and everything whether you know a god damn thing about it or not. Get the fuck over yourselves.
Or to quote my ex wife's Hungarian grandmother who had been to Auschwitz, and who relentlessly told the blackest holocaust jokes. "Certain things are too painful to talk about. Things like this can only be talked about and processed through humour."
If YOU are not Jewish and a survivor of the Holocaust, YOU don't make fun of the Holocaust. If you do, you are a clueless fucking dick at the very least.
You're saying "You can make fun of yourselves as a way of coping, and therefore we will continue to make degrading jokes about you."
We don't laugh about abuse and murder of girls and women. Decent, self aware, empathetic human beings don't do this.
This whole disingenuous reach you're doing here is disgusting and also revealing of just how callous your view of women and girls really is.
I don't think feminists who have a problem with rape jokes are on a crusade against rape. It's something else going on. I think it's more a power game and an attempt to gain social control.
What a absolutely vile thing to say. Of all your sad Joe Rogan talking points, this one is the most vile. And I expect you will never, ever have the courage or intellectual honesty or empathy to examine it.
You might think it, but you don't think anything should be done to the point of making powerful white men uncomfortable.
I'm cool with anybody being uncomfortable. I'm a free speech extremist. Putting up with getting offended and having our feelings hurt is the price we pay for freedom and democracy. You can't have one without the other.
The subject is the fact that girls and women are harmed by men every minute of every day. But you somehow think it's about being offended?
I welcome you to do your worst. Have a go at white middle aged men. I belong to all three groups.
What a martyr!
Let's switch to racism for a moment. In Australia, the vast majority of white people are anti-racism and believe in equality in all things, but thinking it doesn't mean they do anything that could change the overall zeitgeist that doesn't work that hard to actually change anything.
But some Australians have started a trend that I love and I think it's a powerful movement that serves as an antidote to silence. From podcasters to youtubers to public figures and celebrities, they are starting their speeches and videos with the statement, "I'd like to acknowledge the original owners of this land."
Very simple, but at the start, automatically puts the idea of respecting Indigenous peoples in the minds of whoever is listening.
We can do this for racism, misogyny, and prejudice of all kinds. As it is, it doesn't matter much that the majority of men have no ill will toward women, sympathize with our fight, and would never in a million years be a creep much less an abuser, but the fact that 99.99999999999...% of the time, they are not saying squat to send a message to other men that disrespect of women and girls is unacceptable.
Abusers not only love that blank space, they take the silence as acceptance. This is important to understand. Abusers and bigots of all kinds believe that everyone else really thinks the way they do but are just pretending not to, or they're scared to speak because "tEh LeFt wOkEnEsS is trampling our right to free speech!" or some shit. (If they were smart enough to recognize that others don't always think the way they do, they might be entirely different people, more self aware.)
If you had a podcast, you could start every episode with "I'd like to start today's podcast with a message to girls and women, that you deserve respect and to live free from fear of harassment, inequality, and abuse. Also a message to men and boys that disrespect of girls and women is unacceptable and I will not tolerate it in my presence."
Or a message about POC, or a message about LGBTQ+, etc.
So hopefully I have described the "well meaning" silence of men who want to talk about anything else and, as this thread and others like it show, will say anything to shut down a woman's voice because they haven't figured out how to not take it personally, and very likely some even having good reason to feel attacked.
So that's what I mean when I say no one should care about powerful white men losing their power because they are so privileged as to make flippant, casual sexist comments a matter of a man's rights. When that kind of mentality is in powerful positions in society, is it any wonder that women and girls are abused every minute of every day? Is it any wonder in the US that a number of our states are working overtime to legalize executing women for having abortions?
So, sure, if something blatant happens in front of you, an assault or something, sure, you'll most likely try to do something and not run away and "not get involved." But the world is much bigger and complex than the blatant, obvious transgressions that anyone can point to and condemn. But those things don't just sprout up out of nowhere. They can't happen at the rate they do in a society that puts its collective foot down on the attitudes that give rise to widespread abuse.
I'm sorry but I think that's complete bullshit. Saying that in podcasts is just virtue signaling.
Saying anything is virtue signaling is another nothing burger copout like saying "'wOkE iS bAd."
Thank goodness you don't have to think any further because you can just call it virtue signaling to make the effort in media to amplify a message of respect for marginalized groups.
What happened to that bloviation about how social media is how men help women protest? Is media an effective means of men helping women to protest about women's issues (as well as the
men's issue of them harming women and girls every minute of every day)? Or is it just virtue signaling? Which is it?
It's the illusion of helping. It's wanting to feel you are helping without actually changing anything, wanting anything changed or sacrificing jack shit. It's the equivalent of religious people sending prayers. Absolute nonsense.
Every bit of your bullshit here is the illusion of having a clue.
I have been to Australia several times. Of all the places I've been to Australia is probably the most openly racist country I've been to. The degree of racist opinions thrown into conversation by the random person, I thought was staggering. And I've been to both coasts. Sydney was marginally better than Perth. Marginally.
Yeah, better to not try to insert any other kind of message into conversation. Whadday gonna do? It is what it is. No point in trying.
If adding that to podcasts is such a great weapon against racism is Australia, it's not working that great.
If adding your voice to social media or any media is such a great weapon, we should see instant, dramatic results, but we don't, so I guess social media is not an effective way for men to join the voices of women after all. Waddya gonna do? Nothing works. If it doesn't happen overnight, it's not working. Social change must be instant, like fast enough for white men to notice, otherwise, it's not working.
Woke is full of this shit. Avoiding to say certain magical key words and then assuming that you've done a great job to fight [insert cause].
White men are full of this shit. Avoiding self reflection, needing to continue to insert their golden opinions into everything with a completely unfounded yet deeply instilled sense of authority in all things. And then of course, absolutely, assuming you've done a great job in quelling other people's voices that make white men uncomfortable.
Woke's love virtue signaling. They love making statements and policing language, without doing anything that will actually benefit anyone.
The idea that normalizing racist or sexist jokes leads to racism, sexism or rape, I think, is idiotic. It might as well have the exact opposite effect.
White men love making up superficial bullshit that they can paint others with. They love making statements and policing language without doing anything that will actually benefit anyone other than white men. The idea that white men should ever be expected to examine their attitudes and behaviors regarding (or rather, disregarding) women and black people is idiotic. They won't do it.
It actually does seem to have the opposite effect, and yet
you are still responsible for how
you react and how
you think.
Nothing anyone else does or says or thinks or you imagine they think
is the cause of your reactions or thoughts or unwillingness to change or listen to others or examine your attitudes with humility and intellectual honesty or stop doing exactly what you're doing here with the white man pontificating about what others should think or do, or pay any attention or respect at all to the voices of people who are not like you.
"it's not fair to individual powerful white men..."
"you're not being nice/attractive/accommodating, we won't help unless you smile..."
"even one instance of your movement causing pain to a powerful white man makes you wrong/a hypocrite/the thing you condemn..."
"#notallmen..."
"you hate men..."
then you, yes you, are the problem.
Feminists keep saying the above as if it's clever. It's not. These statements are dumb.
Yeah, we say it to be clever. That's the ticket! Thank goodness you have an excuse to not look further. Must be a relief.
Yes, a lot of middle-class priviliged white men don't understand how they've been privilged. Which creates amusing cultural clashes when modern society smacks them down. But who gives a shit about the feelings for privilged middle class white men? I don't, and I belong to the group. Feel free to hurt our feelings as much as you want. I'm cool with it.
Of course you are. How in the world could you of all people have any empathy or regard for people who are not so privileged? Don't worry, no one expects anything more from you. Thanks for reiterating your utter callousness and disregard of others. "I'm utterly indifferent because I can be." And you somehow think this is something you should be proud of. Jesus Christ.
Stop telling women what to think or say or do. The Weisswürste flex is to bloviate your golden opinions on anyone around you, so recognize that you're not in charge of women or anyone else but yourself. That hubris you've developed through no fault of your own will be your downfall if you insist on clinging to it.
And I wish women also realize that they're not in charge of other women. They should be fully free to do what the fuck they want, regardless if it hurts others feelings, including other women.
No one is telling other women what to think or do. This is a complete falsehood you are inserting here. Shame on you. Your entire post is made up nonsense, but this one takes the cake!
And don't take it personally.
Don't worry I won't. I'm a big boy.
Then why so defensive? The lame and disingenuous crap you've presented here sounds like someone who spends a lot of time seeking out the Joe Rogans of the world to help you feel better about it and to give you those soothing talking points. And you've ticked off all the sad rhetoric of that world.
That's a lot easier than doing the work of conscience, though, so I see why you do it.
