JohnG
Senior Member
I think it should be noted that the media sources that complains about "woke" culture are some of the stupidest messaging outlets out there.
Carry on
Carry on
You are most welcome.
No, I did not. I asked you about the basis for your claim of knowledge.You completely ignored the real issue and focused on the victim status of a super rich, good looking, celebrity who agrees with you.
Since the NFL makes most of its revenue from its TV contract, I seriously doubt Mr. Kaepernick's protest affected the profits of the NFL at all. Do you have any actual evidence to support your claim about the profitability or for that matter, his alienation of a huge chunk of NFL consumers?But he brought his personal issues to the field. In a way that negatively impacted corporate profits. He deliberately alienated a huge chunk of NFL consumers. Those consumers buy the tickets and watch the commercials and pay ridiculous money for swag that makes NFL profitable. Subtracting his damage to profitability from his value as a player probably left him a net liability.
Mr. Kaepernick made a choice. He vastly underestimated the negative reactions to his almost imperceptible act of protest by fans, the human shitpost that was POTUS and the cowardice of the NFL ownership.
Do I care what happened? Not really. But that does not mean I should blindly accept the kneejerk NFL apologia as fact.
Not nearly as stupid as "woke" outlets themselves!I think it should be noted that the media sources that complains about "woke" culture are some of the stupidest messaging outlets out there.
Regardless of its merits, Kaepernick's method of protest was poorly chosen. He made it too easy to confuse his message. It upset people even sympathetic to his cause. I can appreciate just wanting to keep any politics out of sports, I was annoyed when Tebow knelt too. If CK did something outside the game instead, he probably would have gotten more support and could have played longer.
Bingo!
I don't support BLM. But that's not my point.
Kaep could do whatever he wanted to do on his own dime. And he had a lot of dimes, $25M worth.
Instead, he insisted on doing it on the NFL's dime.
And now nobody wants to pay him to promote his personal agenda. And The Woke consider him a victim, because nobody wants to pay him $25M.
Tom
Regardless of its merits, Kaepernick's method of protest was poorly chosen. He made it too easy to confuse his message. It upset people even sympathetic to his cause. I can appreciate just wanting to keep any politics out of sports, I was annoyed when Tebow knelt too. If CK did something outside the game instead, he probably would have gotten more support and could have played longer.
Bingo!
I don't support BLM. But that's not my point.
Kaep could do whatever he wanted to do on his own dime. And he had a lot of dimes, $25M worth.
Instead, he insisted on doing it on the NFL's dime.
And now nobody wants to pay him to promote his personal agenda. And The Woke consider him a victim, because nobody wants to pay him $25M.
Tom
He quietly knelt during the national anthem.
Anybody who has a problem with it is a sick hyper-authoritarian scumbag.
He quietly knelt during the national anthem.
Anybody who has a problem with it is a sick hyper-authoritarian scumbag.
And now the NFL doesn't want to pay him enough to get him to play.
I don't care about any of this. It's the Wokesters who seem upset. I see them as the sick hyper-authoritarian scumbags. YMMV
Tom
You were speaking of the lawsuit. You brought up Kaepernick wasn't that good (or that people were saying it). I brought McCown whose stats were flat compared to Kaepernick and still played 17 or so years.
You mean, kneeling during the political national anthem? Players were kneeling and a bunch of loudmouths complained a lot about it, like Janet Jackson's breast. I don't it is quite as simple as saying NFL consumers were against it. I know plenty either didn't care or supported the extremely brief form of protest that didn't impact play on the field one iota.Who is Mr McCown? Did he file a lawsuit against the NFL? Was he Wokester who thought his personal issues deserved air time, paid for by his employer?
Tom
Before I go through your list of strawman arguments,
How did Janet Jackson's boobs get involved?
Sorry if I'm not straight enough to understand, but I'm not. Please explain it, clearly.
Tom
He quietly knelt during the national anthem.
Anybody who has a problem with it is a sick hyper-authoritarian scumbag.
And now the NFL doesn't want to pay him enough to get him to play.
I don't care about any of this. It's the Wokesters who seem upset. I see them as the sick hyper-authoritarian scumbags. YMMV
Tom
The NFL blackballed him because almost all the owners are old white men.
He quietly knelt during the national anthem.
Anybody who has a problem with it is a sick hyper-authoritarian scumbag.
And now the NFL doesn't want to pay him enough to get him to play.
I don't care about any of this. It's the Wokesters who seem upset. I see them as the sick hyper-authoritarian scumbags. YMMV
Tom
The NFL blackballed him because almost all the owners are old white men.
He quietly knelt during the national anthem.
Anybody who has a problem with it is a sick hyper-authoritarian scumbag.
And now the NFL doesn't want to pay him enough to get him to play.
He quietly knelt during the national anthem.
Anybody who has a problem with it is a sick hyper-authoritarian scumbag.
And now the NFL doesn't want to pay him enough to get him to play.
Was he actually offered a contract that he refused?
Was he actually offered a contract that he refused?
We discussed this way back. I responded on post #146.
Part of the problem is "What does offering a contract" mean. If all the teams agree that Kaep isn't worth more than $50K/year, and that will require some stringent on field restrictions he is unlikely to agree to, so nobody offers so much as a meeting,
Has Kaep been blacklisted, or just priced himself so far out of the market that nobody makes an offer?
Tom
The NFL blackballed him because almost all the owners are old white men.
Which is why there are so very few black NFL players, I assume?
Honestly, what does the color of the owners have to do with this? I rather suspect that the only color they care about is green.
Was he actually offered a contract that he refused?
We discussed this way back. I responded on post #146.
Part of the problem is "What does offering a contract" mean. If all the teams agree that Kaep isn't worth more than $50K/year, and that will require some stringent on field restrictions he is unlikely to agree to, so nobody offers so much as a meeting,
Has Kaep been blacklisted, or just priced himself so far out of the market that nobody makes an offer?
Tom
Nobody has entered negotiations with him. Nobody will invite him to camp.
He has been blackballed.
Was he actually offered a contract that he refused?
We discussed this way back. I responded on post #146.
Part of the problem is "What does offering a contract" mean. If all the teams agree that Kaep isn't worth more than $50K/year, and that will require some stringent on field restrictions he is unlikely to agree to, so nobody offers so much as a meeting,
Has Kaep been blacklisted, or just priced himself so far out of the market that nobody makes an offer?
Tom
Nobody has entered negotiations with him. Nobody will invite him to camp.
He has been blackballed.
How do you know this?
You're making some strong, but implausible, assertions.
Tom
Was he actually offered a contract that he refused?
We discussed this way back. I responded on post #146.
Part of the problem is "What does offering a contract" mean. If all the teams agree that Kaep isn't worth more than $50K/year, and that will require some stringent on field restrictions he is unlikely to agree to, so nobody offers so much as a meeting,
Has Kaep been blacklisted, or just priced himself so far out of the market that nobody makes an offer?
Tom
So basically he was never offered a contract and was never even allowed to sit down and negotiate. So basically everything you are saying about this is being pulled from your nether regions.
So basically he was never offered a contract and was never even allowed to sit down and negotiate. So basically everything you are saying about this is being pulled from your nether regions.
No. But I'm sure it makes you feel woke to say so.
The fundamental premise here is that the NFL owners are more motivated by irrational racism than profit. Does that make sense to you?
Tom
So basically he was never offered a contract and was never even allowed to sit down and negotiate. So basically everything you are saying about this is being pulled from your nether regions.
No. But I'm sure it makes you feel woke to say so.
The fundamental premise here is that the NFL owners are more motivated by irrational racism than profit. Does that make sense to you?
Tom
No, it's not.
The point is that Mr Kaepernick was not made an offer to play football by anyone in the NFL. There was nothing for him to reject.No, it's not.
Please explain why you think that Kaep never accepted an offer.
Tom