This week in patriarchy: Ukraine expels women and children so men can have combat to themselves

[Metaphor]

This thread is 6 pages long, with 256 posts, not including this one I'm typing now. I think that it has served the purpose for which it was created pretty well.

And then some.

It might be instructive, however, to see if Metaphor can write an essay — 15 words or less — to demonstrate whether he understands the difference between a war of choice (e.g. U.S. involvement in Vietnam) and a war where people are literally fighting for the survival of their own country and their own families.

If you are asking me a question, ask me.

If you think the draft is acceptable in some situations and not others, make your case.

The question seemed pretty clear to me: Can Metaphor write an essay to demonstrate whether he understands the difference between a war of choice (e.g. U.S. involvement in Vietnam) and a war where people are literally fighting for the survival of their own country and their own families?

The answer appears to be No.

The question was not addressed to me. You were speaking to Toni. If you wish to ask me a question, you ought ask me.

Also, that was not your question. You asked if I could write an essay that addressed that question in '15 words or less'. Your selective editing of your own post suddenly excludes your word limit.

I do not believe the draft is appropriate under any circumstances whatsoever, but I am willing to hear arguments as to when it might be.

 

[laughing dog]

Once again, you've nailed the true crime that is currently happening in Ukraine. Bravo, Metaphor. I wish more people would be like you.

Too bad no one has spoken out against the male Russian conscripts being sent to Ukraine to be killed.

I'm trying to figure out how sarcastic you're being here. Lots of people have spoken out about that.
Tom

The point of laughing dog's post was to attack me with a whataboutism...

Please stop trying to read the minds or impute intent of other posters. You are suck at it.

I brought up a parallel situation.

In most people world's, discussion is not automatically viewed as an attack.

I've asked you to discuss it. You brought it up. What about the Russian conscripts? What do you want to discuss?

To paraphrase an old saying, you can lead a horse to a thought, but you cannot make it think.

So...nothing, then.

Nope. But thank you for proving my point.

I made a general observation about the forum which you took as a personal swipe. And, as usual, that has apparently de-activated your reasoning faculties.

You are against conscription on "principle". In Ukraine, we have the conscripted male only aggressors who are engaging a ruthless and long-planned attack on civilians. In response to the unexpected invasion, the Ukrainian gov't enacted male-only conscription as an emergency defense of country and population measure.

One would think that any moral judgment(s) about conscription or gender-specific conscription would also take into account the context of the conscription. Rational adults can be against conscription in general, understand that in some instances it may be the lesser evil.

 

[Elixir]

One would think that any moral judgment(s) about conscription or gender-specific conscription would also take into account the context of the conscription. Rational adults can be against conscription in general, understand that in some instances it may be the lesser evil.

Welcome to the wild and wacky world of libberpublican morality and ethics.
Everything must be black or white, wrong or right. Nuance is for pussies.

 

[TomC]

One would think that any moral judgment(s) about conscription or gender-specific conscription would also take into account the context of the conscription. Rational adults can be against conscription in general, understand that in some instances it may be the lesser evil.

Welcome to the wild and wacky world of libberpublican morality and ethics.
Everything must be black or white, wrong or right. Nuance is for pussies.

I wish that were restricted to libberpublicans, but it most definitely is not.
Tom

 

[Angry Floof]

One would think that any moral judgment(s) about conscription or gender-specific conscription would also take into account the context of the conscription. Rational adults can be against conscription in general, understand that in some instances it may be the lesser evil.

Welcome to the wild and wacky world of libberpublican morality and ethics.
Everything must be black or white, wrong or right. Nuance is for pussies.

I wish that were restricted to libberpublicans, but it most definitely is not.
Tom

Of course it isn't. But the worst of human thought and behavior pools to the right. As Metaphor himself has pointed out, you can even find right wing authoritarians among liberals, but they are only a small percentage. That kind of mentality, again, pools to the right.

 

[Metaphor]

One would think that any moral judgment(s) about conscription or gender-specific conscription would also take into account the context of the conscription. Rational adults can be against conscription in general, understand that in some instances it may be the lesser evil.

Either you support Ukraine's conscription or you don't. There are specific circumstances that we both know about. Do you support it?

 

[Metaphor]

Welcome to the wild and wacky world of libberpublican morality and ethics.
Everything must be black or white, wrong or right. Nuance is for pussies.

Do you support Ukraine's conscription of men 18-60?

 

[TomC]

Welcome to the wild and wacky world of libberpublican morality and ethics.
Everything must be black or white, wrong or right. Nuance is for pussies.

Do you support Ukraine's conscription of men 18-60?

I don't even know if it happened or not.
Or what else might have been considered. Are 60 y/o males who can't walk "conscripted"? I doubt it.

I do not doubt that, under the circumstances, Ukrainian government is making some needful but simplistic choices. Out of necessity.
You made that about trans folks, for some reason. I think I know what your reason for doing that was. Feel free to explain how I'm wrong.
Tom

 

[Elixir]

Welcome to the wild and wacky world of libberpublican morality and ethics.
Everything must be black or white, wrong or right. Nuance is for pussies.

Do you support Ukraine's conscription of men 18-60?

That^ is what I’m taking about. libberpubs insist upon yes/no answers, even when they don’t apply. Nuance, schmuance!

Do you support a sovereign state’s right to conscript 18-60 males when it’s under unprovoked attack and its citizens are subjected to genocide? My answer: Maybe.
Yours? Be sure to answer yes or no, and make certain that it applies in ALL cases!

 

[ZiprHead]

Welcome to the wild and wacky world of libberpublican morality and ethics.
Everything must be black or white, wrong or right. Nuance is for pussies.

Do you support Ukraine's conscription of men 18-60?

That^ is what I’m taking about. libberpubs insist upon yes/no answers, even when they don’t apply. Nuance, schmuance!

Do you support a sovereign state’s right to conscript 18-60 males when it’s under unprovoked attack and its citizens are subjected to genocide? My answer: Maybe.
Yours? Be sure to answer yes or no, and make certain that it applies in ALL cases!

That's the big problem with libertarian thought. Or non-thought, really. It's edge cases like this that show just how shallow and unthinking the philosophy really is. If Metaphor's philosophy was used in Ukraine, a totally anti-libertarian outcome would occur.

 

[Metaphor]

That^ is what I’m taking about. libberpubs insist upon yes/no answers, even when they don’t apply. Nuance, schmuance!

Do you support a sovereign state’s right to conscript 18-60 males when it’s under unprovoked attack and its citizens are subjected to genocide? My answer: Maybe.
Yours? Be sure to answer yes or no, and make certain that it applies in ALL cases!

I didn't ask about any sovereign state. I asked about Ukraine, right now.

If you cannot answer the question, say so.

 

[Metaphor]

Welcome to the wild and wacky world of libberpublican morality and ethics.
Everything must be black or white, wrong or right. Nuance is for pussies.

Do you support Ukraine's conscription of men 18-60?

That^ is what I’m taking about. libberpubs insist upon yes/no answers, even when they don’t apply. Nuance, schmuance!

Do you support a sovereign state’s right to conscript 18-60 males when it’s under unprovoked attack and its citizens are subjected to genocide? My answer: Maybe.
Yours? Be sure to answer yes or no, and make certain that it applies in ALL cases!

That's the big problem with libertarian thought. Or non-thought, really. It's edge cases like this that show just how shallow and unthinking the philosophy really is. If Metaphor's philosophy was used in Ukraine, a totally anti-libertarian outcome would occur.

Do you support Ukraine's conscription of men 18-60?

 

[Metaphor]

You made that about trans folks, for some reason. I think I know what your reason for doing that was. Feel free to explain how I'm wrong.
Tom

I explained the angle of my OP, more than once, and I won't do it again.

 

[Metaphor]

Are 60 y/o males who can't walk "conscripted"? I doubt it.

I posted a link to the particulars in my OP, which apparently nobody read.

 

[Elixir]

Welcome to the wild and wacky world of libberpublican morality and ethics.
Everything must be black or white, wrong or right. Nuance is for pussies.

Do you support Ukraine's conscription of men 18-60?

That^ is what I’m taking about. libberpubs insist upon yes/no answers, even when they don’t apply. Nuance, schmuance!

Do you support a sovereign state’s right to conscript 18-60 males when it’s under unprovoked attack and its citizens are subjected to genocide? My answer: Maybe.
Yours? Be sure to answer yes or no, and make certain that it applies in ALL cases!

That's the big problem with libertarian thought. Or non-thought, really. It's edge cases like this that show just how shallow and unthinking the philosophy really is. If Metaphor's philosophy was used in Ukraine, a totally anti-libertarian outcome would occur.

Do you support Ukraine's conscription of men 18-60?

You gonna keep sniveling if you don’t get a yes or no answer?
I gave you my answer. And you have yet to answer my question.

Do you support a sovereign state’s right to conscript 18-60 males when it’s under unprovoked attack and its citizens are subjected to genocide?

 

[Metaphor]

Welcome to the wild and wacky world of libberpublican morality and ethics.
Everything must be black or white, wrong or right. Nuance is for pussies.

Do you support Ukraine's conscription of men 18-60?

That^ is what I’m taking about. libberpubs insist upon yes/no answers, even when they don’t apply. Nuance, schmuance!

Do you support a sovereign state’s right to conscript 18-60 males when it’s under unprovoked attack and its citizens are subjected to genocide? My answer: Maybe.
Yours? Be sure to answer yes or no, and make certain that it applies in ALL cases!

That's the big problem with libertarian thought. Or non-thought, really. It's edge cases like this that show just how shallow and unthinking the philosophy really is. If Metaphor's philosophy was used in Ukraine, a totally anti-libertarian outcome would occur.

Do you support Ukraine's conscription of men 18-60?

You gonna keep sniveling if you don’t get a yes or no answer?
I gave you my answer. And you have yet to answer my question.

Do you support a sovereign state’s right to conscript 18-60 males when it’s under unprovoked attack and its citizens are subjected to genocide?

I already answered this, in post 261, in what I consider to be a quite unambiguous way. I will quote 261, where I had already answered your question, here:

I do not believe the draft is appropriate under any circumstances whatsoever,

 

[laughing dog]

One would think that any moral judgment(s) about conscription or gender-specific conscription would also take into account the context of the conscription. Rational adults can be against conscription in general, understand that in some instances it may be the lesser evil.

Either you support Ukraine's conscription or you don't.

That is a false dichotomy caused your insistence on a black or white interpretation of the world. I believe I understand why Ukraine did it. I do not think the gov't of Ukraine should be ridiculed with moronic "satire" over such a difficult decision caused by an unprovoked invasion by a ruthless aggressor.

 

[Metaphor]

One would think that any moral judgment(s) about conscription or gender-specific conscription would also take into account the context of the conscription. Rational adults can be against conscription in general, understand that in some instances it may be the lesser evil.

Either you support Ukraine's conscription or you don't.

That is a false dichotomy caused your insistence on a black or white interpretation of the world.

Sure luv.

I believe I understand why Ukraine did it. I do not think the gov't of Ukraine should be ridiculed with moronic "satire" over such a difficult decision caused by an unprovoked invasion by a ruthless aggressor.

Unfortunately for you, I am still able to exercise my right to post opinions on message boards, unless the State forbids me doing that, too.

 

[Toni]

One would think that any moral judgment(s) about conscription or gender-specific conscription would also take into account the context of the conscription. Rational adults can be against conscription in general, understand that in some instances it may be the lesser evil.

Either you support Ukraine's conscription or you don't.

That is a false dichotomy caused your insistence on a black or white interpretation of the world.

Sure luv.

I believe I understand why Ukraine did it. I do not think the gov't of Ukraine should be ridiculed with moronic "satire" over such a difficult decision caused by an unprovoked invasion by a ruthless aggressor.

Unfortunately for you, I am still able to exercise my right to post opinions on message boards, unless the State forbids me doing that, too.

???????

 

[ZiprHead]

Welcome to the wild and wacky world of libberpublican morality and ethics.
Everything must be black or white, wrong or right. Nuance is for pussies.

Do you support Ukraine's conscription of men 18-60?

That^ is what I’m taking about. libberpubs insist upon yes/no answers, even when they don’t apply. Nuance, schmuance!

Do you support a sovereign state’s right to conscript 18-60 males when it’s under unprovoked attack and its citizens are subjected to genocide? My answer: Maybe.
Yours? Be sure to answer yes or no, and make certain that it applies in ALL cases!

That's the big problem with libertarian thought. Or non-thought, really. It's edge cases like this that show just how shallow and unthinking the philosophy really is. If Metaphor's philosophy was used in Ukraine, a totally anti-libertarian outcome would occur.

Do you support Ukraine's conscription of men 18-60?

Yes, if needed to repel the murdeous invaders.