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How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?
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Which is irrelevant. Launch on warning is not a first strike. It's getting your weapons off before they're destroyed on the ground by the strike that is already incoming.
barbos
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Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, and Ukraine for that matter.
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It means every country is concerned about safety of its borders. That is why we have armies and bombs as deterrents. So too is Russia.
We will prefer to get a hit before we launch ours. India is big and populous. One hit would not matter much. How many will it kill - a million? We have 1,442+ m.
A million is a little less than 0.07% of that. (Worldometer, Population - India)
Nobody will say we started a war. We all have our different views. Preemptive strike means a war for certain. At the moment, we have some 170.
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A strike at the President's Palace in New Delhi will not affect us much, perhaps break the window glasses. We are 13 kms away.
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100kT is a tiddler by thermonuclear standards.A strike at the President's Palace in New Delhi will not affect us much, perhaps break the window glasses. We are 13 kms away.
A B83 warhead (1200kT) airburst would cause 3rd degree burns out to 13.4km, and according to NUKEMAP, would kill about 1.5 million people.
And anyone who was actually targetting New Delhi (probably Pakistan - they have about 170 warheads each yielding around 40kT) would likely cover the city with several MIRVed hits.
A number of smaller warheads is far more destructive than a single large one; 30 x 40kT targeting large Indian cities (including three or four on New Delhi) would be able to instantly kill ten million people easily, and Pakistan would still have 140 left.
A full scale strike by Pakistan could kill 600 million people by blast, burns and other immediate trauma, before we even consider the effects of fallout and long term consequences due to the collapse of infrastructure and the destruction of food and water systems and supply chains.
Having a few hundred thousand corpses on your doorstep would affect you a great deal more than a few broken windows.
Harry Bosch
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?? And you want Ukraine to be defenseless?
I think it is an issue for Moscow because they hope they can deter NATO from reacting to an attack on a non-nuclear power. Local nukes make that hopeless.
DrZoidberg
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I'm still waiting for Aupanyav managing to justify Russias attack.
I get the impression he accidentally said something foolish and now is just sticking to his guns, for no reason
Elixir
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Hmph. The ignorance of facts and counterfactual assertions that Aupy flaunts, have shown his comments on international affairs to be irrelevant and ignorance-based. I don’t think he has any real guns (position) to stick to. Just some guy content to swallow the tripe he is fed by his goobermint. No big deal.
Harry Bosch
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There are many pro-Putler people outside of Russia who believe that if Ukraine gives up land, de-nazifies (WTF does that even mean?!) and de-arm completely that Russia will respect their future borders and never invade again. As for me, I'm hoping that my mother-in-law visit next week will be confined to only 3 days, rather than the usual 2 weeks. Hope isn't a great strategy!
barbos
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Are you calling Tony Blinken a liar? Cause I distinctly remember him saying "Russia is isolated"
barbos
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Russia had respected Ukro-borders for 25 years until they decided to go full nazi and ban russians.
Harry Bosch
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You agree then that Russia won’t honor a future peace agreement with an unarmed Ukraine correct?
Elixir
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Russia can throw more but they can't throw it as accurately and their guns are wearing out, making it even more inaccurate.
I seem to have lost the tab but there was a recent statement from one of Russia's top people that they intended to seize the rest of Ukraine after a cease-fire. Why in the world would Ukraine be willing to agree to a cease-fire that Russia doesn't intend to honor?White House spokesperson Karine Jean-Pierre said India can play an important role in brokering peace in Ukraine by leveraging its historical ties with Russia.
US says India can spur end to Ukraine war as PM Modi, Putin flaunt ties
White House spokesperson Karine Jean-Pierre said India can play an important role in brokering peace in Ukraine by leveraging its historical ties with Russia.www.indiatoday.in
You have had wars with China because you dared defy them. Why is the Ukraine situation any different?
DrZoidberg
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I don't know of anyone who is pro-Putin who believes anything Putin says.
The people I know who are pro Putin just thinks all countries are cunts and everyone is just trying to get what they can
Its essentially a hyper cynical might makes right argument
It took me a while to figure it out, but Barbos isn't just pro-Putin. He's just gone down the conspiracy theory rabit hole. By employing that methodology you can prove and believe anything.
Bottom line, I just don't see any kind of movement who believes what Putin is saying. That's why I find Aupanyav position so baffling. It doesn't seem to belong to any camp
Questioning whether the victim was asking for it without any reason to think so. That's a position usually taken by abusers.