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Trump’s Dictatorship, what will it actually look like?

Elixir said:
thebeave said:
Elixir said:
Oh fer cryin' out loud. There REALLY is no excuse. Here's the deal, with page numbers and everything you need to slice and dice it to suit your purpose, whatever that may be:
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And have you actually checked all this yourself?
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No. Certainly not all of it. Which part would you like me to check for you?
From page 449, which is kind of a treasure trove:

"From the moment of conception, every human being possesses inherent dignity
and worth, and our humanity does not depend on our age, stage of development,
race, or abilities. The Secretary must ensure that all HHS programs and activities
are rooted in a deep respect for innocent human life from day one until natural
death: Abortion and euthanasia are not health care."
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Seriously Beave, look up just a little of this shit and get a flavor at least.
It's HORRIFYING. "Abortion and euthanasia" are the same thing?
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The above is a nested quote. But I'll also quote a different Elixir post to demonstrate a multiple quote.
Elixir said:
Project 2025 pg 452 said:
"COVID-19 exposed the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) as perhaps the most incompetent and arrogant
agency in the federal government."
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Bullshit on steroids. Trump threw away the CDC pandemic handbook, adherence to which would have saved the better part of a million American lives.
It did expose Trump as a charlatan and an idiot, recommending drinking bleach and sticking UV lights "inside" and convincing billions of people worldwide that masks don't work and they should go out and have Covid parties...
But the authors of this tripe have to call Fauci, who has triple Trump's IQ, the bad guy who is incompetent and arrogant because he made Trump look bad, despite his best effort not to. Poor guy did everything but lie, to keep Trump out of the very bad light he kept shining on himself. But Trump needed him to lie. Shame what Cheato did - or tried to do - to a spectacularly accomplished lifelong public servant, just to protect his bloated ego.

That entire document is full of trumpologetics and false accusations against phantom "enemies" they promise to vanquish.
It's a travesty.

You're right, @thebeave about it being dismissable as an actual plan; it is WAY too detached from reality to serve as such. But it is an accurate reflection of the character of Trump and the government he wants to foist off on the American public.
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Thanks Elixir for these. Straight from the 2025 document itself. Trump doesn't care about much -- we all know personal ego and personal wealth are his main priorities -- but Trump has promised "retribution" and is likely to turn over the tasks of setting agenda to big donors. or just people whom he knows will anger his "enemies."

You did a service for posters here who confessed to not understanding Project 2025. Will they thank you or apologize? Or just continue to demonstrate they do nothing but parrot Trump Social, Elon Musk, Tucker Carlsen and their other mentors?
 
Swammerdami said:
You did a service for posters here who confessed to not understanding Project 2025. Will they thank you or apologize? Or just continue to demonstrate they do nothing but parrot Trump Social, Elon Musk, Tucker Carlsen and their other mentors?
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They will continue obsessing on their pet issue. They can't be convinced to vote Dem because to them Dems are socialists. They can't be convinced a Trump vote is a vote for autocracy because they have a pet issue (disposing of homeless people or resisting 'wokeness' or whatever) that they're devoted to which obliges them to deny the reality of what Trumpism is.
 
TSwizzle said:
Swammerdami said:
You did a service for posters here who confessed to not understanding Project 2025.
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Project 2025 is irrelevant. Stop wasting people's bandwidth on conspiracy theory nonsense.
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Gotta love TSwizzle.

"Show me proof Trump wants to be a fascist dictator!"

Also TSwizzle "Lalalala! I can't hear you! I'm not listening!"
 
TSwizzle said:
Time and time again a few posters on here bang on about how Trump will act as a dictator. Such hyperbole I say as specific examples are never given.

So what will this dictatorship actually look like? How will I be impacted by the evil orange man with the goofy barnett.
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All I know is it will be the greatest dictatorship ever. It will be extremely beautiful, strong, wonderful, tremendous, nothing like we've ever seen before, many people are saying.
 
TSwizzle said:
Swammerdami said:
You did a service for posters here who confessed to not understanding Project 2025.
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Project 2025 is irrelevant. Stop wasting people's bandwidth on conspiracy theory nonsense.
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Although many contributors to Project 2025 worked for the Trump administration, there is no clear connection between the project and Trump himself. In fact, Trump has denounced the project, calling it extreme and written by people he considers too conservative.

What I disagree with is using the word "conspiracy" in connection with Project 2025. The real conspiracy is tying it to Trump; the project itself is legitimately real (AKA out in the open and not a secret).
 
TSwizzle said:
Swammerdami said:
You did a service for posters here who confessed to not understanding Project 2025.
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Project 2025 is irrelevant. Stop wasting people's bandwidth on conspiracy theory nonsense.
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@TSwizzle do you agree that abortion should be banned by the government because life begins at conception?
Discussion of that question is not a waste of bandwidth for a lot of people, and as a "Trump's People" creation it is totally germane to the election.
If you decline to discuss it, that's fine.
Appointing yourself arbiter of what is a waste of bandwidth is not fine.
Representing FACTS as conspiracy theories (such as "project 2025 plans to ban abortions from conception") is NOT okay.
I mean, you can keep doing those things if you want. But you have no standing to object to the resulting ridicule.
Have a nice day in Santa Monica!
 
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I'm sure brother Swiz has inside info that Wikipedia is a leftists tool, but nevertheless I'll offer up their article as a substantive indicator of who how and why Project 2025 is Trump's baby (that he has disowned, as is his habit when they're illegitimate).

Far from being irrelevant, the cabal that has been working on this bears lots of continual scrutiny, as their intent to Hungarianize the United States and take permanent power over the government, is not a desirable outcome for most Americans.
Apparently you can no longer copy text from wiki? Can still take a screenshot though. Irrelevant my ass:



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Gospel said:
TSwizzle said:
Swammerdami said:
You did a service for posters here who confessed to not understanding Project 2025.
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Project 2025 is irrelevant. Stop wasting people's bandwidth on conspiracy theory nonsense.
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Although many contributors to Project 2025 worked for the Trump administration, there is no clear connection between the project and Trump himself. In fact, Trump has denounced the project, calling it extreme and written by people he considers too conservative.

What I disagree with is using the word "conspiracy" in connection with Project 2025. The real conspiracy is tying it to Trump; the project itself is legitimately real (AKA out in the open and not a secret).
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Gospel
You really must control yourself and try not to inject rationality into some of these discussions. It does you no favours.
 
Gospel said:

In fact, Trump has denounced the project, calling it extreme and written by people he considers too conservative.
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yet he also wished them luck, which a sane person typically wouldn’t do for something they denounce.
 
Shadowy Man said:
Gospel said:

In fact, Trump has denounced the project, calling it extreme and written by people he considers too conservative.
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yet he also wished them luck, which a sane person typically wouldn’t do for something they denounce.
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"Denounces" is Republican-speak for "refuses to definitively admit they are allied with", not "actively opposes".
 
Gospel said:
there is no clear connection between the project and Trump himself
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And there is no evidence that he ever slept with Stormy. :confused2:
Guess you have to decide for yourself based on the evidence. And it doesn't really matter.

The evidence "connecting" Trump to Project 2025 is more compelling to me, than any evidence connecting Trump's literary prowess to The Art of the Deal that he claims to have authored. If one examines the genesis of P25 person by person and their histories of involvement from the inception of The Heritage Foundation, it's pretty clear who the useful fool is in this situation, and how valuable Trump is to its backers. That's just my perception, but I am willing to be moved off it by someone who has better examined the document's salient pages (anyone carefully reading all 9hundred and whatever pages would probably be reduced to blithering).

Of COURSE Trump currently disowns it! It has been getting raked over the coals in the media, and nobody out there is standing up for it vocally. The main players are enjoying the good life under their rocks at the moment, but look forward to more Heritage Foundation product to normalize whatever heinous atrocity comes next on Cheato's to-do list.
Meanwhile his very best people watered down P25 and came out with A24 ...
 
I personally wouldn't vote for Trump because he would likely include contributors to Project 2025 in his administration. To me, it's not necessary for him to explicitly endorse Project 2025 for this to be a concern.
 
Gospel said:
Although many contributors to Project 2025 worked for the Trump administration, there is no clear connection between the project and Trump himself. In fact, Trump has denounced the project, calling it extreme and written by people he considers too conservative.
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Trump praised it in 2023.
 
TSwizzle said:
The project 2025 is irrelevant. The only time it is brought up is by the unhinged conspiracy theorists.
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TSwizzle said:
Project 2025 is irrelevant.
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TSwizzle said:
Project 2025 is irrelevant.
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Irrelevant to WHOM exactly? Irrelevant to YOU? Irrelevant to Trump, who is at best semi-literate and will just follow the lead of his donors with the deepest pockets? Or influencers who dangle the most lascivious dreams of retribution? Irrelevant to the millions of Americans who will grow up under fascism with vague dreams of what American democracy once was?

No, no. Those are just rhetorical questions. I don't want to provoke a dozen repetitious dollops of some new TSwizzle one-line "witticicsm": "rapture-like cult ... rapture-like cult ... rapture-like cult ... rapture-like cult. 2025 is irrelevant ... 2025 is irrelevant ... 2025 is irrelevant ... Santa Monica ... Santa Monica ... Santa Monica ... "

Best, I think, is for you to stick to your expertise: Alternative Climatology. How's Santa Monica doing?

I see that the four days this July with heat above 115° F are all hotter than any other temperature ever recorded at Edwards AFB. That includes data from weather station 723810-23114 since 1941 as well as two substitute stations used for some reason in the 2000's.

Four days this July with heat above 115° F are all hotter than any other temperature ever recorded at Edwards AFB.

Sure sounds like someone's drinking the Kool-Aid! Have George Soros, Oprah Winfrey and the other cult leaders doctored these numbers? We can't wait until you drive up to Edwards AFB and confirm or refute the alleged heat. Have you calculated your gasoline cost? Started a GoFundMe?
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
Elixir said:
Trump suggests he’s open to cuts to Medicare and Social Security after attacking primary rivals over the issue

Anyone relying on on what the 900 page exercise in obfuscation says, deserves what they get.

There’s a lot of money going to SS and Medicare. Of fucking COURSE Trump wants it all. He could be as rich as his idol!
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I didn't get that from what he said. He didn't actually say anything, which is normal for Trump.

CNBC guy asks, non-discretionary spending is the problem and without being able to manage it differently, our deficits will be high. Trump's response was 'there are things you can do' and referenced 'theft', presumably regarding people cheating the system (Donald and Donald Jr must be getting disability checks for his dead father still).
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Found something that might be the truth of actually cutting Social Security:


Cutting the administration budget, making it even more messed up than it is now.

Jimmy Higgins said:
What I find a never ending bafflement is that Trump again answers a serious question with his trademarked vague 'so many solutions', but not going any deeper. Then tangents to making stuff up, 'people are saying X, but I'm saying Y!!!', ie making X up and then adding the Trump trademarked BS factor. And people buy this stuff. Trump isn't saying anything regarding solutions and he is invented problems that he says he will save America from. And 25% of voting America finds this compelling.
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There's very little that's false so they think it's true. Never mind that it's simply garbage.

Like you can legally claim to have the best X when in reality all X is the same. It is the "best" because it's not inferior to any competitor, but the race is a tie.

Or think of Rush. I heard the scumbag a few times. Never once did I hear him lie, but I heard him be incredibly deceptive every time.
 
Swammerdami said:
RamblingFool said:
I have NO idea who among those you quoted you are actually addressing. I guess I will get used to it, but I will choose to address my comments directly to the person I am responding to.
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I actually like quote nesting when done properly. But here, all too often, umpteen irrelevant quotes are left in place, all for a single sentence of new content. Even if there WAS a relevant antecedent in the umpteen prior posts, it was probably snipped along the way. 8-) But it's not hard to snip away the useless prior quotes -- and it looks like you already know how to do that.

(Some boards disallow nested quotes. Or, better yet, make it more complicated so only "power users" will use it.)

Be careful though. The horrid editor here makes it VERY easy to end up with a flaw when you prune, especially when you do it in the "friendly" branch of "Toggle BB code."
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Second this. I find I can almost always avoid the problem by never pruning the bottom of a nested quote as it's very prone to throwing things in the wrong quoting level if you do. And if you do mess up a prune do a ^z to undo it, or switch to BB code mode. Once you've broken the quoting level I have never successfully put it back within the main editor.

It's actually better than how most boards handle it but it's still flaky in WYSIWYG mode. BB mode is safe but pruning can be hard.
 
RamblingFool said:
One of the features, since joining this site, that I really dislike is the multiple quoting feature. I have NO idea who among those you quoted you are actually addressing. I guess I will get used to it, but I will choose to address my comments directly to the person I am responding to.
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FYI: When dealing with nested quotes assume the person is responding to the outermost quote. Anything inside is either just for context or it's because someone didn't snip it. It's easy to make the editor misbehave when snipping.
 
TSwizzle said:
Swammerdami said:
You did a service for posters here who confessed to not understanding Project 2025.
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Project 2025 is irrelevant. Stop wasting people's bandwidth on conspiracy theory nonsense.
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How can it be a conspiracy theory when it's straight from the horses' mouth?

P2025 speaks in generalities and dog whistles. People often fill in what those dog whistles actually mean and conservatives deny that that's what P2025 says.
 
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