Merged Gaza just launched an unprovoked attack on Israel

Politesse said:

Loren Pechtel said:

Politesse said:

Any evidence of this?

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Nobody has yet addressed the inconvenient reality that Iran is backing horrors all over the region. The Jews certainly didn't cause the Sudan genocides. Nor that country next to Somalia that I keep forgetting the name of. And Yemen--they've basically taken over Yemen by now.

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So are we. So is every "great power". We are all fighting vicious wars in other people's backyards, wars that mostly take innocents and cannot be won or even ended. But you've just to wave your stupid flag over the next field of corpses, eh? You're feigning outrage about countries you can't even remember the name of, for fuck's sake, while plotting the deaths of thousands more in countries the media hasn't even taught you specifically to hate yet.

So much human potential wasted.

Somalia's neighbors are Kenya, Ethiopia, and Djbouti. They have a disputed border with Ethiopea, and are fighting a civil war against a religious extremist organization called Al-Shabab.

And just sort of shouting your opinion again is not "evidence" by any reasonable definition of that word.

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bilby said:

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Loren Pechtel said:

I am not Z, we disagree about some of the details.

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Loren Pechtel said:

Your side keeps arguing emotions, you are generally unwilling to face the unpleasant facts.

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FFS.

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DrZoidberg said:

And they are aware of this. Educated Arabs are very aware that Arab culture is dysfunctional and that western values are, in general, better. They understand that the reason the Middle-East is a mess, is Arab culture. But it is culture. It's in our bones. It's hard to change. But I have hope. I'm convinced Arabs can change, and will change. It just takes time. It's also not just religion. All the various religions in the area, have roughly, the same culture. So I'm not going to just blame it on Islam. Right now Gazans are of course extremely aware of how awful Hamas is. I'm hoping enough Gazans get over their fear of being religious traitors, and turn on Hamas. It is happening. To an extent.

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Loren Pechtel said:

Politesse said:

Loren Pechtel said:

Politesse said:

Any evidence of this?

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Nobody has yet addressed the inconvenient reality that Iran is backing horrors all over the region. The Jews certainly didn't cause the Sudan genocides. Nor that country next to Somalia that I keep forgetting the name of. And Yemen--they've basically taken over Yemen by now.

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So are we. So is every "great power". We are all fighting vicious wars in other people's backyards, wars that mostly take innocents and cannot be won or even ended. But you've just to wave your stupid flag over the next field of corpses, eh? You're feigning outrage about countries you can't even remember the name of, for fuck's sake, while plotting the deaths of thousands more in countries the media hasn't even taught you specifically to hate yet.

So much human potential wasted.

Somalia's neighbors are Kenya, Ethiopia, and Djbouti. They have a disputed border with Ethiopea, and are fighting a civil war against a religious extremist organization called Al-Shabab.

And just sort of shouting your opinion again is not "evidence" by any reasonable definition of that word.

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We aren't involved in most of Iran's wars.

And it's Eritrea that I keep forgetting. Wasn't on the map I learned growing up.

And the wars are unwinnable because we have been fighting against fundamentalist Islamist terrorists with backing from states we do not want to go to war with. Not fighting just means fighting them later when they're stronger. It's fight them there, or fight them here later.

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Loren Pechtel said:

bilby said:

Literally adjacent posts:

Loren Pechtel said:

I am not Z, we disagree about some of the details.

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Eleven minutes later:

Loren Pechtel said:

Your side keeps arguing emotions, you are generally unwilling to face the unpleasant facts.

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(my bold)

FFS.

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Your side is presenting a pretty monolithic position. Nothing less than perfection is acceptable from Israel, Israel is the cause of the violence, and they are automatically wrong in any disputed issue.

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