Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

[angelo]

You also said you would obey the laws of the land.

And predictably the Leftists go personal since they have zero valid arguments.

I learned something from this. I didn't know you are an immigrant. It's quirky how this board's minority views so often turn out to be from the immigrants, racial minorities etc. Would expect the opposite.

Minority view? I'd call it the silent majority view.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

You also said you would obey the laws of the land.

And predictably the Leftists go personal since they have zero valid arguments.

You are presenting a hypocritical argument. It's okay for you to come to the US and not follow the laws, but anyone else--bad people.

What? You are saying that if a person breaks a rule, it is hypocritical for them to point somebody out breaking a different rule, and wise to dismiss them with bad food puns?

Because that could have some far reaching implications.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

You are presenting a hypocritical argument. It's okay for you to come to the US and not follow the laws, but anyone else--bad people.

What? You are saying that if a person breaks a rule, it is hypocritical for them to point somebody out breaking a different rule, and wise to dismiss them with bad food puns?

Because that could have some far reaching implications.

No, but nice try. If an immigrant is coming into this country breaking the laws but having agreed to follow the laws, it is hardly different than an immigrant agreeing to follow the laws but breaking them. In both cases, such immigrant believes that personal decision-making makes the rule of law invalid, even if the law is vastly correct across the spectrum. One immigrant acting criminally pointing the finger at other immigrants acting criminally (perhaps because they have darker skin), doesn't absolve the former immigrant of his or her criminality or make it less hypocritical.

 

[Worldtraveller]

If she's as smart as she thinks she is, imagine how much recognition she could get if she beat the great Shapiro in a debate.

Zero.

She would get zero recognition.

The Shapiro fanboys would dice and splice the video to make it look like she didn't have her facts straight, or that she paused or stammered or stared blankly for 10-15 seconds at a time, or that she slurred her speech and sounded drunk, or some other stupid shenanigan to influence the perceptions of people too lazy to seek out the actual video, and the vast majority of people would wonder who the heck is Ben Shapiro and just shrug their shoulders over the whole thing.

Can the mods check and see if HL is a Shapiro sock puppet? You know his initials are BS, right? Coincidence?

The "great" ben shapiro? And here I didn't think my opinion of you could get any lower.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez invited by Polish MP to see concentration camps

In the open letter, Dominik told Ocasio-Cortez that he was writing to her "out of distress in having learned of your recent statements regarding concentration camps."

The Nazis aren't the bar of what is considered unacceptable. As noted previously, the US put Germans in camps in WWI and the Japanese in camps in WWII. Sure, they aren't death camps, but really, is this the bar we are talking about when we talk about Concentration Camps?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Trump is running theses concentration camps? While no mention is made of the very same policies under the Obama Administration.



https://worldisraelnews.com/ocasio-...take’+Downing+US+Drone;+Nikki+Haley+Replaceme

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-barack-obama-fort-sill-former-japanese-internment-camp-1443785

Which implies that the Right's hate-on for Obama was just plain wrong.

Just as the Left's strong hatred of the Trumpet, and refusal to accept he beat Killery is just plain wrong?

There is no reason to like Trump. He is a vile human being which has been demonstrated through his actions and words throughout his life. His compassion ends at himself. That people still defend him show, contemporarily, how tyrants obtain their power.

 

[marc]

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez invited by Polish MP to see concentration camps

In the open letter, Dominik told Ocasio-Cortez that he was writing to her "out of distress in having learned of your recent statements regarding concentration camps."

The Nazis aren't the bar of what is considered unacceptable. As noted previously, the US put Germans in camps in WWI and the Japanese in camps in WWII. Sure, they aren't death camps, but really, is this the bar we are talking about when we talk about Concentration Camps?

In another thread I questioned if we needed a new term for the low-bar excuses used by republicans/conservatives:

I think we need a new term. We have “whataboutism” for the frequent arguments using false equivalencies and straw men. Do we need “LessEvilism”, or maybe “NotMurderism” for arguments like this? Concentration camps are ok because we are not killing the kids. The same type of argument was used under Bush to excuse torture because ‘we are not beheading them’. Any atrocity is acceptable as long as they are not (proven to be intentionally) killing anyone.

maybe "NotAsBadism"?

 

[lpetrich]

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "Remember when the Bush administration bullied media into using their devised term “enhanced interrogation” instead of the accurate term “torture?” Well, waterboarding was torture. And these are concentration camps. Journalism should be about the truth. And this is the truth. https://t.co/8N0hfw50uY" / Twitter noting ABC News on Twitter: "Migrant children at least two U.S. Customs and Border Protection facilities face conditions one doctor described as comparable to "torture facilities." https://t.co/PRRcSSkokw" / Twitter noting Doctor compares conditions at immigrant holding centers to 'torture facilities' - ABC News

MSNBC Host Says Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Is Just 'A Different Form Of Trump' Donny Deutsch stated that he was offended by her use of the phrase "concentration camp" because of its association with Nazi death camps.

AOC is the Trump-era hero we need | TheHill - on her rather Trumpian tactics for changing the terms of the debate on some big issues.

Trump hoped to make the Democrats defend lawbreakers, but AOC turned the debate against him with calling Trump's detention camps "concentration camps". She's done that before with the Green New Deal and with whether anyone ought to be allowed to have a billion dollars or more while people are suffering on much less than that.

Every time I talk to a potential Democratic donor, I get an earful about how terrible AOC is for the party. But I think they are looking at this all wrong. They are afraid that her prominence as a Democratic messenger will make it easier for Republicans to caricature Democrats as having been taken over by the “loony left.” I have news for you — they’ll do that anyway.

They’ve been using Pelosi and Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) and Hillary Clinton as boogeymen for years, distorting their positions and caricaturing them in a misogynistic way, and they’ll continue to do so, with or without AOC. But these donors and establishment types don’t recognize how brilliantly effective AOC is as a messenger for Democrats in the Trump era.

She is beating Trump at his own game of getting the news media's attention and setting the terms of the debate.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The Nazis aren't the bar of what is considered unacceptable. As noted previously, the US put Germans in camps in WWI and the Japanese in camps in WWII. Sure, they aren't death camps, but really, is this the bar we are talking about when we talk about Concentration Camps?

In another thread I questioned if we needed a new term for the low-bar excuses used by republicans/conservatives:

I think we need a new term. We have “whataboutism” for the frequent arguments using false equivalencies and straw men. Do we need “LessEvilism”, or maybe “NotMurderism” for arguments like this? Concentration camps are ok because we are not killing the kids. The same type of argument was used under Bush to excuse torture because ‘we are not beheading them’. Any atrocity is acceptable as long as they are not (proven to be intentionally) killing anyone.

maybe "NotAsBadism"?

What about simply "The Low Bar Fallacy".

 

[KeepTalking]

10 grand...for a children's charity! She said no. But, I thought she's a down to earth woman of the average working Joes.

Because that is exactly what down to earth women and average working Joes do every day: debate conservative YouTube celebrities. Right?

If she's as smart as she thinks she is, imagine how much recognition she could get if she beat the great Shapiro in a debate. Her ideas would get out to millions of Americans. Slamming down Ben would do wonders for he career.

Shapiro even offered 50 grand to debate Bernie Sanders. Sanders denied it. Wonder why everyone's so scared of their great socialist ideas.

I don't think AOC is having much of a problem with recognition currently. For a freshman Congresswoman, she is getting tons of press, and her ideas are getting out to millions of Americans. Granted a good deal of it is from right wing sources who are just trying to bring her down, but she seems to be holding her own against them fairly well, and others are taking notice.

Oh, and regarding "the great Ben Shapiro":

 

[KeepTalking]

^That is the stupidest thing you've said today.

Of course, the day is young...

No. It is the truth. Paying the minimum payment gets you NOWHERE. If that is your plan, it is best to just ignore it. If you have a lot of money, then pay off a huge portion of the balance. Otherwise, it's not worth it. Do you know how many debt accounts get sold off to debt collectors? Tons. The odds of getting sued are minimal. Even if you do get sued, you can settle for a lower payment because the debt collector bought your debt for pennies on the dollar. They can buy 10 grand worth of debt for 500 dollars for God's sakes! Then, they technically have no right to collect your money because you never gave them permission to buy your debt. Most of the time you ask them to prove that you owe the debt and they can't prove it because they don't have the statements. So, you're off the hook and they move onto the next sucker who doesn't know to ask for proof.

Do you guys not know how this works?

I can only presume you are fairly well off financially, or your credit rating is absolutely wrecked. If you have credit card debt, are not rich, and are worried about your credit rating, you most definitely do not want to ignore your credit card bills. If you have more than one card with a balance, and want to pay down your debt without killing your credit rating, there is a good way to get started. After paying all of your bills, figure out how much a month you can afford to go towards paying down your Credit Cards, $100 would be a great start, but even if it is only half that, you can make headway. Pick the credit card with the lowest balance, and pay that extra money on it each month, while continuing to pay the minimum on the rest, also avoid using your credit cards if at all possible. Once you pay that card off, move on to the one with the next highest balance, and begin paying the extra $100 + the amount you were initially paying on the other card (or whatever else you can afford now that the initial card is payed off), and do the same with it. Lather, rinse, repeat with each card, and you are well on your way. It will likely take years, but each card you pay off will put you in better shape. At some point, you will likely have good enough credit to take out a lower interest debt-consolidation loan to pay off the remaining balances. The toughest part of the whole deal is usually avoiding the use of those credits cards while you are paying them down.

 

[KeepTalking]

When W abolished the INS, was that so "illegals" could more easily enter the US than they did before?

That was a reorganization (due to the new DHS), not abolishing. You know that quite well.

Regardless of what it was called, the INS was shut down, and it was replaced with ICE. No one is saying to shut down ICE and then not replace it with anything, they certainly realize that we will need an agency to handle immigration and customs, so they are really advocating for another reorganization. You know that quite well.

 

[KeepTalking]

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "This President needs to be impeached." / Twitter - 75.4K Retweets 344.4K Likes as of this writing
AOC herself has 4.4M Followers

Angela Belcamino on Twitter: "@AOC Donald Trump has over 60 million "followers" and can't get this many likes on a tweet. The majority of America wants impeachment. The majority did not vote for this mess." / Twitter

In the other thread, I was called out for citing youtube comments as credibility. But here you are, citing Twitter likes as credibility. That tweet even says Trump can't get that many likes, which implies Trump is only right when he gets likes.

Can you honestly not tell the difference between what lpetrich did in this post (posting a Tweet relevant to the previously posted Tweet from AOC), and what you did in that thread (claimed expertise on a subject because you read YouTube comments)?

 

[lpetrich]

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "Student loans are a scam. That’s why I join @BernieSanders, @RepJayapal & @IlhanMN to forgive ALL student loans AND make colleges tuition-free. PS: for the cost of the GOP tax scam (~$2 TRILLION), we could’ve already forgiven every student loan in America w/ billions left over. https://t.co/GXRHHWoKai" / Twitter noting Evan McMurry on Twitter: ".@AOC on bill to eliminate all student debt: "It was literally easier for me to become the youngest woman in American history elected to Congress than it is to pay off my student loan debt." [url]https://t.co/l2DVQXrQic https://t.co/fhxvtNtvhg" / Twitter[/url]
She was still saddled with some of it when she was elected US Representative. She's also noted that medical insurance was cheaper for her as a Congresswoman than as a bartender.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "The student loan crisis is keeping people from: Becoming teachers & other public careers Buying homes & large purchases Starting families Educating themselves further w/ other specialized degrees As a result, it’s impacting the ENTIRE economy https://t.co/E1ZijJiH2s" / Twitter noting Justice Democrats on Twitter: ""Now people are in their 30s and older that have taken on insurmountable amounts of debt because we have sold them an empty bill of goods. And what we need to do is make it right." -@AOC #CancelStudentDebt https://t.co/MXQcLBVlLe" / Twitter
She talked about how 17 year olds are not considered responsible enough to vote or consume CH3CH2OH, but responsible enough to accept a mountain of debt.

The Hill on Twitter: ""What a beautiful day to liberate ourselves from student debt. What a beautiful day to liberate our future generations from the scourge of for-profit education, & by that we also mean for-profit student loan debt." Rep. @AOC's full remarks about bill to eliminate student debt. https://t.co/4tP1ANL24b" / Twitter - the full clip
She talks about knowing a very bright 17-yr-old girl when she was 19, one who got accepted into some major universities, but one who had to accept $250,000 in debt for doing so.

 

[Half-Life]

^That is the stupidest thing you've said today.

Of course, the day is young...

No. It is the truth. Paying the minimum payment gets you NOWHERE. If that is your plan, it is best to just ignore it. If you have a lot of money, then pay off a huge portion of the balance. Otherwise, it's not worth it. Do you know how many debt accounts get sold off to debt collectors? Tons. The odds of getting sued are minimal. Even if you do get sued, you can settle for a lower payment because the debt collector bought your debt for pennies on the dollar. They can buy 10 grand worth of debt for 500 dollars for God's sakes! Then, they technically have no right to collect your money because you never gave them permission to buy your debt. Most of the time you ask them to prove that you owe the debt and they can't prove it because they don't have the statements. So, you're off the hook and they move onto the next sucker who doesn't know to ask for proof.

Do you guys not know how this works?

I can only presume you are fairly well off financially, or your credit rating is absolutely wrecked. If you have credit card debt, are not rich, and are worried about your credit rating, you most definitely do not want to ignore your credit card bills. If you have more than one card with a balance, and want to pay down your debt without killing your credit rating, there is a good way to get started. After paying all of your bills, figure out how much a month you can afford to go towards paying down your Credit Cards, $100 would be a great start, but even if it is only half that, you can make headway. Pick the credit card with the lowest balance, and pay that extra money on it each month, while continuing to pay the minimum on the rest, also avoid using your credit cards if at all possible. Once you pay that card off, move on to the one with the next highest balance, and begin paying the extra $100 + the amount you were initially paying on the other card (or whatever else you can afford now that the initial card is payed off), and do the same with it. Lather, rinse, repeat with each card, and you are well on your way. It will likely take years, but each card you pay off will put you in better shape. At some point, you will likely have good enough credit to take out a lower interest debt-consolidation loan to pay off the remaining balances. The toughest part of the whole deal is usually avoiding the use of those credits cards while you are paying them down.

My father was a debt collector. That's how I know how this works. If they bought someone's debt because the person stopped paying their credit cards, they then go after the person for the debt. If the person requests proof of the debt, there is usually nothing they can do because the credit card companies don't give the debt collectors the credit card statements when they buy the debt. So, it gets thrown out in court. So, they are forced to move onto the people who don't know to ask for proof.

 

[lpetrich]

Parker Molloy on Twitter: "That’s something @AOC seems to understand that many other members of Congress don’t: that an entire conservative media apparatus exists to amplify bad-faith interpretations of things progressives say. The only reasonable, genuine response is to simply restate your position." / Twitter

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "Yes, the treatment is bad - but the one thing I’ve learned about the right is that they’re all bark. They stomp, they whine, they burst w/ hyperbole - all bc they rely on Dems backing down when GOP creates controversy. They don’t know what to do when we stick by our principles. https://t.co/NQZ014uVlA" / Twitter noting Abraham Gutman on Twitter: "Had a glimpse into @AOC’s mentions following a retweet, and let me tell you: people are disgusting. Her advocacy comes at a cost that most of us wouldn’t have been able to bare. Much power to her and respect for her strength. " / Twitter
Something I like a lot about her. She doesn't back down. She isn't a coward like Bill Clinton and Barack Obama.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I can only presume you are fairly well off financially, or your credit rating is absolutely wrecked. If you have credit card debt, are not rich, and are worried about your credit rating, you most definitely do not want to ignore your credit card bills. If you have more than one card with a balance, and want to pay down your debt without killing your credit rating, there is a good way to get started. After paying all of your bills, figure out how much a month you can afford to go towards paying down your Credit Cards, $100 would be a great start, but even if it is only half that, you can make headway. Pick the credit card with the lowest balance, and pay that extra money on it each month, while continuing to pay the minimum on the rest, also avoid using your credit cards if at all possible. Once you pay that card off, move on to the one with the next highest balance, and begin paying the extra $100 + the amount you were initially paying on the other card (or whatever else you can afford now that the initial card is payed off), and do the same with it. Lather, rinse, repeat with each card, and you are well on your way. It will likely take years, but each card you pay off will put you in better shape. At some point, you will likely have good enough credit to take out a lower interest debt-consolidation loan to pay off the remaining balances. The toughest part of the whole deal is usually avoiding the use of those credits cards while you are paying them down.

My father was a debt collector. That's how I know how this works. If they bought someone's debt because the person stopped paying their credit cards, they then go after the person for the debt. If the person requests proof of the debt, there is usually nothing they can do because the credit card companies don't give the debt collectors the credit card statements when they buy the debt. So, it gets thrown out in court. So, they are forced to move onto the people who don't know to ask for proof.

This sounds like the 'There is no law that forces you to pay the IRS" argument.

 

[Derec]

This sounds like the 'There is no law that forces you to pay the IRS" argument.

Sounds more like sloppy record keeping by some companies that buy up bad debt.
Note, not paying on your credit cards will definitely wreck your credit; his comment only applies to some company buying bad debt for pennies on the dollar actually trying to sue you for the balance.

 

[KeepTalking]

This sounds like the 'There is no law that forces you to pay the IRS" argument.

Sounds more like sloppy record keeping by some companies that buy up bad debt.
Note, not paying on your credit cards will definitely wreck your credit; his comment only applies to some company buying bad debt for pennies on the dollar actually trying to sue you for the balance.

Right, so long as all you care about is not paying your bills, and not getting sued for it, take HL's advice. If you want to be able to get a non-predatory loan, hold a job that touches finances in any way, or otherwise care about your credit rating for any reason, you will want to pay your minimum balance and find a better method of climbing out of debt.

 

[Worldtraveller]

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "This President needs to be impeached." / Twitter - 75.4K Retweets 344.4K Likes as of this writing
AOC herself has 4.4M Followers

Angela Belcamino on Twitter: "@AOC Donald Trump has over 60 million "followers" and can't get this many likes on a tweet. The majority of America wants impeachment. The majority did not vote for this mess." / Twitter

In the other thread, I was called out for citing youtube comments as credibility. But here you are, citing Twitter likes as credibility. That tweet even says Trump can't get that many likes, which implies Trump is only right when he gets likes.

Can you honestly not tell the difference between what lpetrich did in this post (posting a Tweet relevant to the previously posted Tweet from AOC), and what you did in that thread (claimed expertise on a subject because you read YouTube comments)?

That would require reading comprehension. HL is like the proverbial ape:

https://youtu.be/E5IQnQhzMSI?t=15