• Welcome to the new Internet Infidels Discussion Board, formerly Talk Freethought.

Another Fucking Mass Shooting At US School

Despite three nine-year-olds being gunned down by a transgender shooter at a private Christian school in Nashville, activists are still rallying the troops to protest for a 'Trans Day of Vengeance' - months after raising money for firearms training. But despite rising political tensions across the country, which saw a press secretary for Arizona Democrat Governor post a Tweet about shooting transphobes, the Trans Radical Activist Network (TRAN) is pushing forward with their protest in DC. The Virginia chapter of the group held a 'dance party fundraiser' in Richmond 'benefiting firearm/self-defense training for trans-Virginians' on March 7, before the mass shooting had taken place.

Daily Mail

When you see the rabid, unhinged, hate fueled rhetoric aimed at the likes of J.K. Rowling or Kellie-Jay Keen it only becomes a matter of time before someone goes off at the deep end.
TRAN will be hosting an event in DC, time and location on 4/1 at 11 am in front of SCOTUS. The online event will be hosted on 4/1, time TBA. This protest is about unity, not inciting violence. TRAN does not encourage violence and it is not welcome at this event.

You can read their entire statement in the link.
 
WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU KILL CHILDREN TO PUNISH A CHURCH FOR CHILD MOLESTATION?!!?!
In order to SAVE them of course.
Not saying that’s how you save people, but that the depths of confusion that religious indoctrination can generate, have never been plumbed. Add some possible sexual abuse, and rationalizing such acts might be rather easy.
Are you saying that Hale was motivated by religion then?
 
It's the whole "I'd rather die of heart disease than change my diet" attitude that seems to epitomize the American mindset. "Pry it from my cold, dead hands." "If some is good, then more is better, and if more is better, then most is best." I don't think this kind of thinking dominates in other countries, which is why the United States has certain problems that don't show up around the world.
Yes the hatred that Americans seem to have for each other is disturbing.
 
Are you saying that Hale was motivated by religion then?
No. I’m saying she was (may have been) motivated to save them from abuse such as she suffered at the hands of someone using their position in a religious establishment as cover. If that’s the same thing as “motivated by religion” then yeah. But for all my antipathy to religion, I don’t see religion per se as the same thing as a causal motivation but rather as a facilitating structure,
 
Despite three nine-year-olds being gunned down by a transgender shooter at a private Christian school in Nashville, activists are still rallying the troops to protest for a 'Trans Day of Vengeance' - months after raising money for firearms training. But despite rising political tensions across the country, which saw a press secretary for Arizona Democrat Governor post a Tweet about shooting transphobes, the Trans Radical Activist Network (TRAN) is pushing forward with their protest in DC. The Virginia chapter of the group held a 'dance party fundraiser' in Richmond 'benefiting firearm/self-defense training for trans-Virginians' on March 7, before the mass shooting had taken place.

Daily Mail

When you see the rabid, unhinged, hate fueled rhetoric aimed at the likes of J.K. Rowling or Kellie-Jay Keen it only becomes a matter of time before someone goes off at the deep end.
No indication the shooter liked Trump. But your sudden sense of caring about inciting violence is refreshing.
 
Despite three nine-year-olds being gunned down by a transgender shooter at a private Christian school in Nashville, activists are still rallying the troops to protest for a 'Trans Day of Vengeance' - months after raising money for firearms training. But despite rising political tensions across the country, which saw a press secretary for Arizona Democrat Governor post a Tweet about shooting transphobes, the Trans Radical Activist Network (TRAN) is pushing forward with their protest in DC. The Virginia chapter of the group held a 'dance party fundraiser' in Richmond 'benefiting firearm/self-defense training for trans-Virginians' on March 7, before the mass shooting had taken place.

Daily Mail

When you see the rabid, unhinged, hate fueled rhetoric aimed at the likes of J.K. Rowling or Kellie-Jay Keen it only becomes a matter of time before someone goes off at the deep end.

There is no evidence publicly available yet as to what the motive of the Nashville shooter was, but it almost certainly had nothing to do with hate-fueled rhetoric directed at JK Rowling or Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshul.
And yet you are so sure it could have nothing to do with frenzy the trans mobs have got themselves and other useful idiots worked up about.
 
And yet you are so sure it could have nothing to do with frenzy the trans mobs have got themselves and other useful idiots worked up about.

Unlike you, apparently, I have an open mind on what drove her to that insane act. I didn't know that there was such a thing as a "trans mob", but I can understand your fear of them. You make them sound like a real threat. You seem to think that the trans mobs had something to do with her act. I don't consider it at all likely.
 
And yet you are so sure it could have nothing to do with frenzy the trans mobs have got themselves and other useful idiots worked up about.

Unlike you, apparently, I have an open mind on what drove her to that insane act. I didn't know that there was such a thing as a "trans mob", but I can understand your fear of them. You make them sound like a real threat. You seem to think that the trans mobs had something to do with her act. I don't consider it at all likely.
Maybe in the fullness of time there will be some light shed on the motive but I don't think the "motive" of these unhinged people is particularly important or useful.

I have no fear of "trans mobs" but other people do and have reason to fear them. And by "trans mobs" I means the idiots that run around screaming TERFS or whatever and sending death threats to the likes of J.K. Rowling or assaulting women at women's speaking events.
 
And yet you are so sure it could have nothing to do with frenzy the trans mobs have got themselves and other useful idiots worked up about.

Unlike you, apparently, I have an open mind on what drove her to that insane act. I didn't know that there was such a thing as a "trans mob", but I can understand your fear of them. You make them sound like a real threat. You seem to think that the trans mobs had something to do with her act. I don't consider it at all likely.
Maybe in the fullness of time there will be some light shed on the motive but I don't think the "motive" of these unhinged people is particularly important or useful.

I have no fear of "trans mobs" but other people do and have reason to fear them. And by "trans mobs" I means the idiots that run around screaming TERFS or whatever and sending death threats to the likes of J.K. Rowling or assaulting women at women's speaking events.

I agree with you that the motive isn't important. What is important is that they have such easy access to weapons of mass murder.

I think I understand your politics well enough to know why the Nashville shooting made you go off on this tangent about nuts who send death threats to celebrities like JK Rowling and those who peddle transphobism. (She is far from the worst of them.) However, it is clear from your post that your reaction to the shooting is motivated by a desire to blame those on the other side of the culture war over transgender issues. You say that motive isn't important to you, but you can't join the battle if it weren't what was on your mind when you referenced threats made to so-called "TERFs" in connection with this shooting.
 
And yet you are so sure it could have nothing to do with frenzy the trans mobs have got themselves and other useful idiots worked up about.

Unlike you, apparently, I have an open mind on what drove her to that insane act. I didn't know that there was such a thing as a "trans mob", but I can understand your fear of them. You make them sound like a real threat. You seem to think that the trans mobs had something to do with her act. I don't consider it at all likely.
Maybe in the fullness of time there will be some light shed on the motive but I don't think the "motive" of these unhinged people is particularly important or useful.

I have no fear of "trans mobs" but other people do and have reason to fear them. And by "trans mobs" I means the idiots that run around screaming TERFS or whatever and sending death threats to the likes of J.K. Rowling or assaulting women at women's speaking events.

I agree with you that the motive isn't important. What is important is that they have such easy access to weapons of mass murder.
From a discussion I had with a firearms enthusiast (to put it mildly) on Reddit, the easy access doesn't matter. The guns are not the issue. No, the real problem is mental health. We do not have a gun violence problem in the US. We have a mental health problem.

Someone dies by a gun? Mental health. Always.

Mass school shooting? Mental health problem.
Workplace shooting? Mental health problem.
Drive by in East St. Louis? Well that's just mental health right there.
Jim Bob shoots his neighbor in Arkansas over a domestic dispute? Not the gun. Mental health.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to spend the next several hours searching the websites of the NRA and a few of their pet Congressmen to find this comprehensive plan to finally address the rampant mental health problem in this country...
 

The Covenant Presbyterian Church and its church-run school, targeted in the tragic shooting, are at the center of a complex child sexual abuse scandal from 2002-2012.

A 2012 lawsuit alleges that defendants associated with Covenant, including Bachmann, Eades, Avery, and Robinson, were involved in concealing unlawful child sexual abuse by John Perry. The plaintiffs were unaware of the abuse until 2012.

By 2015, two lawsuits alleged child sexual misconduct by Perry. During divorce proceedings, Perry's ex-wife claimed his "inappropriate marital conduct" led to their separation, also as reported by the Arkansas Times.

John Perry was a prominent pastor who had co-authored several books with then Arkansas governor, Mike Huckabee.

The church allegedly used Perry's home as a "safe house" (on the back of his “good reputation”) for children they believed were mistreated by their parents.

This arrangement allowed the church to remove children from their homes and place them under Perry's care, raising serious concerns about the safety and protection of these vulnerable children in the hands of a confessed child molester.

In June 2009, a family sought help from Attorney Larry Crain after being silenced for raising concerns about children's safety in Perry's "safe house." Crain later filed a $3M lawsuit against the person who reported the abuse while representing Perry.

Additionally, the Davises sued Covenant Presbyterian Church and parishioner Dale Lewelling, accusing the church of covering up for confessed child molester John Perry and putting children in Perry's so-called "safe house."

The family claims they were harassed, assaulted, and threatened for raising concerns about the church's concealment of child sexual abuse.

Despite the scandal, local media in Nashville has not covered the stories involving John Perry, who admitted to sexually molesting his daughter in court.

Presbyterian Church Association was reportedly going to bring charges against Pastor Jim Bachmann of Covenant, another church member who was implicated in enabling the abuse. Yet, no one has been charged in connection with the child sexual abuse allegations and cover-up.

This leads to the question, when females only commit 2% of all mass shootings and have only committed 4 of the 147 school shootings before this event, could this have been a carefully plotted vengeance mission?

Did Hale decide to partake in a tragic act of vigilante justice to try and bring attention to sexual crimes for which no one had ever been forced to pay for?

The ages match up. Hale, born around 1994, would have been an elementary – middle schooler sometime between 2002-2012 when the alleged abuse happened. Covenant Presbyterian taught kids from K-6th grade. Could Hale have been a victim too?

Here is a document belonging to a database outlining the sequence of events of Covenant's sex crimes and cover-ups. It was compiled and created by a man attempting to expose Covenant for nearly a decade.

What are they trying to hide?

Another potential piece in the puzzle, Hale messaged a middle school basketball teammate on social media informing her that Hale planned to die by suicide:

“One day this will make more sense," Hale wrote. "I've left behind more than enough evidence behind.”

Something that could disprove this theory is if covenant was actually secondary target and the undisclosed school was the primary target.

This is unless the undisclosed school in someway had a connection to the abuse scandal.

Janespeaksup for that regional area eludes to multiple christian schools in that area, in that time period, having allegations of cover ups of sexual abuse.

As to why Hale would target kids when an adult would be the abuser: who knows. Anyone who would senselessly murder children and teachers isn't logical.

But in sum, only time and the manifesto will tell.

However, it looks like they’re gearing up to avoid releasing the manifesto.
Reposted from a reddit post. Very informative.


Not in the least bit informative. IMO it's just another reddit conspiracy theorist with wide eyed ideas that don't align with all the aspects of a topic. For example the poster's lousy yet absolutely invisible take on the question WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU KILL CHILDREN TO PUNISH A CHURCH FOR CHILD MOLESTATION?!!?!

Transference/projection. Got to wonder if the young girls that were killed were him killing HIMSELF as a child. It's not logical to us, but clearly his brain was not thinking logically.
 
I think I understand your politics well enough to know
Whatever you think my politics are, you are likely wrong.
why the Nashville shooting made you go off on this tangent about nuts who send death threats to celebrities like JK Rowling and those who peddle transphobism. (She is far from the worst of them.)
“Transphobism”, nice little dog whistle you have. Sure to gather the baying mob of misogynists and radical LQBQTWERTY.

However, it is clear from your post that your reaction to the shooting is motivated by a desire to blame those on the other side of the culture war over transgender issues. You say that motive isn't important to you, but you can't join the battle if it weren't what was on your mind when you referenced threats made to so-called "TERFs" in connection with this shooting.
What, you don’t think trans can’t be radicalized into acts of violence? Ok.

The press secretary for Arizona governor Katie Hobbs shared an image of an armed woman in a tweet blasting transphobes just hours after a transgender shooter gunned down six in a Christian school.
Josselyn Berry uploaded a gif of a woman holding two handguns on Monday evening alongside the caption 'Us when we see transphobes.'

Daily Mail

Yeah, the mob is getting pretty ugly.
 
Not in the least bit informative. IMO it's just another reddit conspiracy theorist with wide eyed ideas that don't align with all the aspects of a topic. For example the poster's lousy yet absolutely invisible take on the question WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU KILL CHILDREN TO PUNISH A CHURCH FOR CHILD MOLESTATION?!!?!
Transference/projection. Got to wonder if the young girls that were killed were him killing HIMSELF as a child. It's not logical to us, but clearly his brain was not thinking logically.
Yeah, don't expect the hate to actually be aimed at the right target. If it was a reaction to past abuse I'm not surprised they targeted the school rather than the abusers.
 
And yet you are so sure it could have nothing to do with frenzy the trans mobs have got themselves and other useful idiots worked up about.

Unlike you, apparently, I have an open mind on what drove her to that insane act. I didn't know that there was such a thing as a "trans mob", but I can understand your fear of them. You make them sound like a real threat. You seem to think that the trans mobs had something to do with her act. I don't consider it at all likely.
The goal is to proclaim trans people dangerous, and take their guns so they can't defend themselves and their homes if the government comes to erase us.

It's a DARVO, an attempt to disarm their outgroups before moving against them.

They fear the fist of the person that stands up to the bullying.

They are in the act of antagonizing the trans community until there is no reasonable course but to fight, and then using that as an excuse to crush the community entirely.

When they use the term 'trans mob' it is about time to start preparing as a trans person for the actual lynch mob to come through the door.
 
I think I understand your politics well enough to know
Whatever you think my politics are, you are likely wrong.

I can only base my opinion of your politics on what you have written in your posts. I admit that I cannot see what is inside your head, but it would be nice to think that your posts misinform my opinion or that I have somehow misconstrued them.


why the Nashville shooting made you go off on this tangent about nuts who send death threats to celebrities like JK Rowling and those who peddle transphobism. (She is far from the worst of them.)
“Transphobism”, nice little dog whistle you have. Sure to gather the baying mob of misogynists and radical LQBQTWERTY.

If you believe that there is no such thing as transphobism, then you confirm my opinion of what your politics are.


However, it is clear from your post that your reaction to the shooting is motivated by a desire to blame those on the other side of the culture war over transgender issues. You say that motive isn't important to you, but you can't join the battle if it weren't what was on your mind when you referenced threats made to so-called "TERFs" in connection with this shooting.
What, you don’t think trans can’t be radicalized into acts of violence? Ok.

I never said or implied anything at all about transgender people being capable of violence, so I'll just repeat what you pretended to respond to: However, it is clear from your post that your reaction to the shooting is motivated by a desire to blame those on the other side of the culture war over transgender issues. You say that motive isn't important to you, but you can't join the battle if it weren't what was on your mind when you referenced threats made to so-called "TERFs" in connection with this shooting.


The press secretary for Arizona governor Katie Hobbs shared an image of an armed woman in a tweet blasting transphobes just hours after a transgender shooter gunned down six in a Christian school.
Josselyn Berry uploaded a gif of a woman holding two handguns on Monday evening alongside the caption 'Us when we see transphobes.'

Daily Mail

Yeah, the mob is getting pretty ugly.

The press secretary of a Democratic governor posted an inappropriate image and was forced to resign by the governor as a result of that post. She does not actually strike me as anything like a "mob", but I do think that it was appropriate for the governor to fire her. I'd love to see Republican elected officials taking similar actions against their extremist supporters, but that's seldom how they roll.

Ariz. governor’s press secretary resigns amid backlash over gun-toting post

 
Back
Top Bottom