At least 8 dead in Mass Shooting du Jour

[Elixir]

Meanwhile in C Springs... shooting du Jour:

(Link)COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. — In a "senseless act of violence" early Sunday morning, a man drove to a birthday party at a mobile home, walked inside and started shooting, killing six people and himself, according to police.

Let's see ya do THAT with a knife!
Yay for 2A!

This is pretty obviously a domestic, not a mass shooting.

I have wonder why you would try to draw that (false) distinction.

A mass shooting is an incident involving multiple victims of gun violence. There is no widely accepted definition of the term mass shooting. The United States' FBI follows the Investigative Assistance for Violent Crimes Act of 2012 definition for active shooter incidents and mass killings in public places. Wikipedia

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Meanwhile in C Springs... shooting du Jour:

(Link)COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. — In a "senseless act of violence" early Sunday morning, a man drove to a birthday party at a mobile home, walked inside and started shooting, killing six people and himself, according to police.

Let's see ya do THAT with a knife!
Yay for 2A!

This is pretty obviously a domestic, not a random mass shooting.

FIFY

 

[Swammerdami]

Meanwhile in C Springs... shooting du Jour:

(Link)COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. — In a "senseless act of violence" early Sunday morning, a man drove to a birthday party at a mobile home, walked inside and started shooting, killing six people and himself, according to police.

Let's see ya do THAT with a knife!
Yay for 2A!

Thoughts and prayers for the victims' families.
Let's hope the America haters and gun control nuts have the grace to wait a few weeks and allow these families to complete their grieving process, before they resume their predictable anti-gun rants.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Looks like we went a couple weeks, excluding last weekend, without a mass shooting. San Jose, no details to really report other than San Jose and the shooter is down.

 

[TV and credit cards]

Does anyone care any longer? Anyone? I guess we should wait until the bodies are counted. No point in getting all worked up over a handful of randos.

 

[Elixir]

Does anyone care any longer? Anyone? I guess we should wait until the bodies are counted.

Maybe get the AZ legislature to hire some shady outfit do it.
Nah - screw it; when numbers get large enough, a rough guesstimate is sufficient (e.g. COVID).

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

It was announced eight victims killed, reported two in hospital. Shooter was an employee.

 

[ideologyhunter]

Ever since Sandy Hook, which is now over 8 years ago, I look at the breathless coverage of these events and think, Really? What are Americans supposed to think, feel, or do about this? We did nothing when a man used a Bushmaster to shoot holes in 20 first graders and six adults. What's going to change now? How is this news? How is this 'breaking news' or 'the story of the hour'? This is just the USA. Not only do the NRA crowd show their firm purpose in wanting no class of automatic weapon restricted to military use only, but Sandy Hook produced a proto-QAnon movement of 'debunkers' who push the story that there was no Sandy Hook.
We did nothing substantial whatever when 26 people died in that school. Collectors gotta have their prize guns. We can't even pass universal checks for buying these weapons. I know societies can change and grow. I know there have been some victories for good causes in the last 10 years. But on this front, I don't see even incremental progress.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

It is news because it isn't every day that 7 to 10 people are shot to death by some person (it is roughly once every other week ).

Sandy Hook was definitely the day that hope and guns died. When the NRA released their 'We are ginormous pricks' statement. The NRA and their idiot followers won. And this is the price.

 

[Gospel]

This incident is one of the many reasons why I drink. Someone is going to bed tonight without that person they loved because...

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ who fucking knows.

 

[Swammerdami]

Meanwhile in C Springs... shooting du Jour:

(Link)COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. — In a "senseless act of violence" early Sunday morning, a man drove to a birthday party at a mobile home, walked inside and started shooting, killing six people and himself, according to police.

Let's see ya do THAT with a knife!
Yay for 2A!

This is pretty obviously a domestic, not a mass shooting.

This distinction matters because ... ?

Are the gun nuts willing to carve an exception to the 2A? Something like "Except when standing one's ground, only magazines with 20 rounds or less are permitted if shooting at family members."

 

[Loren Pechtel]

This is pretty obviously a domestic, not a mass shooting.

This distinction matters because ... ?

Are the gun nuts willing to carve an exception to the 2A? Something like "Except when standing one's ground, only magazines with 20 rounds or less are permitted if shooting at family members."

The point is that how to reduce domestics and how to reduce mass shootings are different issues. Hint: Domestics are substantially less likely to be with a firearm than murders in general.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

In America we have several columns for mass shootings. There are:

• Angry students
• Angry bigots
• Angry Muslims
• Angry at family or group of people (not related to race or religion)
• Angry Males not getting enough
• Seemingly Random
• Psychopaths

I could be missing some. This latest mass shooting gets chalked under the vile bigot column.

 

[Elixir]

The point is that how to reduce domestics and how to reduce mass shootings are different issues.

Uh, not really. Where there are multiple fatalities there is very nearly ALWAYS a common factor you seem desperate to ignore: guns.

Hint: Domestics are substantially less likely to be with a firearm than murders in general.

Yeah, and the mass shootings that are "domestics" are somehow not the same as mass shootings that are ... what's the opposite of "domestics"? Foreigns?
Mass shootings, foreign or domestic, are virtually impossible without guns in the hands of murderous individuals. Seems to me that they both lend to the same solution.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The point is that how to reduce domestics and how to reduce mass shootings are different issues.

Uh, not really. Where there are multiple fatalities there is very nearly ALWAYS a common factor you seem desperate to ignore: guns.

Hint: Domestics are substantially less likely to be with a firearm than murders in general.

Yeah, and the mass shootings that are "domestics" are somehow not the same as mass shootings that are ... what's the opposite of "domestics"? Foreigns?
Mass shootings, foreign or domestic, are virtually impossible without guns in the hands of murderous individuals. Seems to me that they both lend to the same solution.

The point is that since domestics are considerably less likely than other murders to use a gun it should be obvious that taking guns out of the picture isn't going to be a substantial limit on domestics. It might even increase them because it denies the woman who flees the ability to protect herself if he finds her.

 

[Gospel]

This is pretty obviously a domestic, not a mass shooting.

This distinction matters because ... ?

Are the gun nuts willing to carve an exception to the 2A? Something like "Except when standing one's ground, only magazines with 20 rounds or less are permitted if shooting at family members."

The point is that how to reduce domestics and how to reduce mass shootings are different issues. Hint: Domestics are substantially less likely to be with a firearm than murders in general.

Tainted data. Don't you have to murder before becoming a murderer? What about those who are morally capable of murdering someone but decides not to. Are they accounted for in the data set?

Edit: Always wait for the edits with me. I mean how is it determined that a firearm is more likely used to murder a complete stranger (if that's what you meant)? I'm inclined to believe that most murders do not involve completely random people. There is a familiarity to some extent. Domestics are not just family, it also includes associates; like friends of a friend or other affiliations (like co-workers). To me, a nondomestic murder would be a foreigner coming to America and just killing people because they are Americans. Or a serial killer. Both being less often. This leads me to believe whatever data you're looking at must include minority report levels of nondomestic murders (yeah know, before it happens) for it to be less likely.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The point is that how to reduce domestics and how to reduce mass shootings are different issues. Hint: Domestics are substantially less likely to be with a firearm than murders in general.

Tainted data. Don't you have to murder before becoming a murderer? What about those who are morally capable of murdering someone but decides not to. Are they accounted for in the data set?

Edit: Always wait for the edits with me. I mean how is it determined that a firearm is more likely used to murder a complete stranger (if that's what you meant)? I'm inclined to believe that most murders do not involve completely random people. There is a familiarity to some extent. Domestics are not just family, it also includes associates; like friends of a friend or other affiliations (like co-workers). To me, a nondomestic murder would be a foreigner coming to America and just killing people because they are Americans. Or a serial killer. Both being less often. This leads me to believe whatever data you're looking at must include minority report levels of nondomestic murders (yeah know, before it happens) for it to be less likely.

"Domestic" refers to people of the same household.

You're thinking of stranger vs known to the killer. (Note that many of the known to the killer murders are not associates, but rivals.)

 

[Shadowy Man]

. It might even increase them because it denies the woman who flees the ability to protect herself if he finds her.

Do statistics for this even exist? That is, do we know how many women have successfully fended off an abusive partner by using a gun to either intimidate away or shoot a potential attacker?

I ask because gun people always being this out as an example as to why we can’t limit gun ownership or create waiting periods for purchasing firearms but is this a scenario that actually happens with any regularity?

 

[Gospel]

The point is that how to reduce domestics and how to reduce mass shootings are different issues. Hint: Domestics are substantially less likely to be with a firearm than murders in general.

Tainted data. Don't you have to murder before becoming a murderer? What about those who are morally capable of murdering someone but decides not to. Are they accounted for in the data set?

Edit: Always wait for the edits with me. I mean how is it determined that a firearm is more likely used to murder a complete stranger (if that's what you meant)? I'm inclined to believe that most murders do not involve completely random people. There is a familiarity to some extent. Domestics are not just family, it also includes associates; like friends of a friend or other affiliations (like co-workers). To me, a nondomestic murder would be a foreigner coming to America and just killing people because they are Americans. Or a serial killer. Both being less often. This leads me to believe whatever data you're looking at must include minority report levels of nondomestic murders (yeah know, before it happens) for it to be less likely.

"Domestic" refers to people of the same household.

You're thinking of stranger vs known to the killer. (Note that many of the known to the killer murders are not associates, but rivals.)

Eeeek. I blame my inferior brain.

 

[Derec]

Shooting in Miami. Neither a domestic nor a disgruntled worker but rather three shooters shooting up a rap party. So likely gang related.

2 Dead, Over 20 Shot Following Event Outside NW Miami-Dade Venue: Police

The shooting took place just after 12:30 a.m. at a release party for a local rap artist at El Mula banquet hall, located at 7630 Northwest 186th Street.
[...]
MDPD Director Freddy Ramirez said it appeared to be a targeted attack. People were standing outside the building when three shooters drove up in a white Nissan Pathfinder and began shooting into the crowd with assault rifles and handguns.
"This was a despicable act of gun violence, a cowardly act, " said Ramirez.
No arrests have been made at this time.