Is there an English word for when people try to redefine words so a bad thing doesn't apply to them.
Hypocrite.
Is there an English word for when people try to redefine words so a bad thing doesn't apply to them.
Good point, but the manner right wingers use the term "regressive leftist" makes it tautologous. To them all leftists are regressive because they are leftists. Mumbles's post recognises that there are progressive and regressive (for want of a better adjective) leftists. "...to lump ordinary progressive folk in with..." makes that abundantly clear.
To be clear - I recognize that there *are* people on the left that refuse to criticize Islam in particular, mostly because they feel that it will lump them in with the wild-eyed clowns on the right ranting about how "sharia law" has taken over some American state or European country. The use of "regressive left" in the David Rubin "Lefties are obsessed with Identity Politics an we need to move away from that, now here's Stefan Molyneaux to discuss Race and IQ, and how Star Wars is about white genocide." sense is ridiculous on it's face - the hypocrisy isn't even thinly veiled, and it only serves to clearly show that "identity politics" means "concerned with people who aren't white men."
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What I don't understand is that we are all supposed to be liberals in terms of being the great grandchildren of the Enlightenment, the age of reason?
And aren't we all supposed to be social justice warriors, just disagreeing on how to best accomplish the goal of spreading the wealth, one side relying on the fantasy of a truly free, self-regulating market for labor and the other side believing that the government has to help the market achieve social justice because the overwhelming evidence of two millennia is capitalism has a natural bias for over rewarding capitalists and the rentiers and under rewarding labor and creativity?
And aren't we all agreed that we need progress to move the human condition forward, we just disagree, once again, on how to accomplish that, with one side believing that we have to move backwards to simpler, less chaotic times and to rely on and to enable the individual to take us forward and the other side believing that the progress of the last two hundred years has been made by the collective actions of people working together and that in the future progress depends on a continuation of collective actions to progress to an ever more complex world?
In short, aren't we all liberals, social justice warriors and progressives, just disagreeing on the basic question of how?
*glances at Dolt45's administration*
No, we don't all agree on that.
This sure has been an educational thread.
My vocabulary was just cut down, and I'm not sure why.
Can I still say "fuck you nazis"?
This sure has been an educational thread.
My vocabulary was just cut down, and I'm not sure why.
Can I still say "fuck you nazis"?
No. You need to capitalize the first and last words and add a comma after “you”.
I'd just call them fucking Nazis but I have a feeling they can't get laid, either.
So, I'm just going with racist Nazi jackasses.
What are you, some kind of alt-grammarian?This sure has been an educational thread.
My vocabulary was just cut down, and I'm not sure why.
Can I still say "fuck you nazis"?
No. You need to capitalize the first and last words and add a comma after “you”.
What are you, some kind of alt-grammarian?This sure has been an educational thread.
My vocabulary was just cut down, and I'm not sure why.
Can I still say "fuck you nazis"?
No. You need to capitalize the first and last words and add a comma after “you”.
No. Capitalisation =/= allcaps.This sure has been an educational thread.
My vocabulary was just cut down, and I'm not sure why.
Can I still say "fuck you nazis"?
No. You need to capitalize the first and last words and add a comma after “you”.
"FUCK "you" , NAZIS"
Better?
What is needed is for us to attack poverty.
It is hard to redress the damage from 400 hundred years of racism without policies that address the victims by their group identities. It is hypocritical for whites to now insist on strict adherence to a color blind policy when they were elevated in the social order for so long based on such an arbitrary factor as the color of one's skin. We need to back off from identity politics, it hasn't served us well, especially in its most vile forms, racism, nationalism and xenophobia. But to now compound the racism by not going the extra effort to try to mitigate some of the damage inflicted on generations of people, to now say that we don't want to resort to racism, is cruel and heartless.
What is needed is for us to attack poverty. To establish that no one who is willing to work should be poor. Inherent in the divide and conquer strategy is the falsehood that for one to advance another has to be pushed back. That the economy is a zero sum game. This is not true. The economy expands to accommodate people who spend money on consumption. The more money that people have and the more that they spend the larger the economy expands. People who are higher paid have more money to spend. People who are better educated and better trained make more money and have more money to spend. When people are better educated and better trained it doesn't mean that someone else loses their education and training. That would be absurd. And yet that is what the divide and conquer strategy depends on.
No, racism is never justified, no matter who is doing it or who it is being done to. Neither is sexism or other forms of negative prejudice. You can't judge from the colour of my skin how much hardship or privilege I have had in my life. Doing so is wrong. Period.
It still is.No, racism is never justified, no matter who is doing it or who it is being done to. Neither is sexism or other forms of negative prejudice. You can't judge from the colour of my skin how much hardship or privilege I have had in my life. Doing so is wrong. Period.
This *used* to be the liberal position.
Conservatives either became stupider or even less scrupulous.What the fuck happened!?!?
It still is.
Conservatives either became stupider or even less scrupulous.What the fuck happened!?!?
Thanks for proving the truth of my observation.It still is.
Conservatives either became stupider or even less scrupulous.What the fuck happened!?!?
It's called the progressive stack, not the conservative stack.
Thanks for proving the truth of my observation.
And if you are poor because your parents didn't have wealth to pass on to you because your grandparents or great grandparents were robbed of their wealth because of a racist policy back then, why is that any more unfair TO YOU (not to your ancestors it happened to) than if another person is poor because her parents didn't have wealth to pass on to her because her grandparents or great grandparents gambled the money away or lost it?
And by making an excuse for racism in one case, for the "underprivileged group", you encourage others to make excuses for racism in other cases, for the "privileged group". Racism is either wrong or it isn't. I say it is.
We need to stop dividing people by arbitrary or irrelevant traits such as race, gender, sexual orientation, etc and instead create empathy between people as individuals. Identity politics divides, and yes, I agree, it distracts from the massive wealth inequality we are facing.
That's great, but how do you expect that to happen, when we refuse to address the massive divisions along these lines that exist today?