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Biden administration announces partial student loan forgiveness

The article has typical percentages of original 2009 balances for various borrowers. At the present:

Women: 98%, Men 70%
Black: 140%, Latino 110%, White 80%, Asian 70%

Opportunities for middle-class employment without a college degree have certainly dwindled. But increasing the educational credentials required for any given job or salary doesn’t magically make pay go up. It just means the higher education system gets to take a larger slice of a worker’s lifetime earnings on the front end. And if the debt can’t be repaid, taxpayers swallow the loss on the back end — but only after the borrower has endured years of mounting balances and their negative consequences for wealth accumulation and creditworthiness.

This odd structure — in which federal funding comes in the form of student loans that won’t ever be repaid, as opposed to direct funding of colleges and universities — lets school administrators off the regulatory hook. In theory, the market of students selecting their preferred college experience is supposed to discipline schools’ financial conduct. In reality, it does not. This is why college administrators resist free-college proposals that amount to direct federal funding in return for capping tuition: They fear their socioeconomically segregated business models wouldn’t survive the regulatory scrutiny attached to those dollars.
 
Golden’s ‘Blue Dogs’ get money from Sallie Mae after opposing student debt relief - Maine Beacon
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Committee: BLUE DOG POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE
The Blue Dog Coalition, a group of corporate House Democrats led by Rep. Jared Golden, received the maximum donation from student lending giant Sallie Mae after the Second District congressman voted earlier this year against Pres. Joe Biden’s plan to cancel $430 billion in federal student debt.

The disclosure comes as student loan payments are set to resume after a three-year pause during the COVID-19 pandemic.

Golden was one of two Democrats to vote in May with House Republicans for a resolution blocking the Biden administration’s plan for a one-time cancellation of up to $20,000 in federal student loan debt for borrowers who qualified. The other was Rep. Marie Gluesenkamp Perez of Washington state, who co-chairs the Blue Dog Coalition with Golden.

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On June 14, just over two weeks after the vote, Sallie Mae’s corporate PAC gave the maximum-allowable contribution, $5,000, to the Blue Dog Coalition.

Career Education Colleges and Universities, a D.C.-based lobby group for-profit colleges, also gave the maximum contribution to the coalition prior to the vote.
 
Rep. Jared Golden foamed at the mouth in response, sounding like some Fox News groupie, though he did not address the issue of whether he was bribed to take his position.
“Sadly, this is what radical leftist elites are learning about ‘democracy’ these days — silence and destroy anyone who disagrees with your views or goals. I stand by my vote and my opposition to forking out $10,000 to people who freely chose to attend college,” Golden said. “They were privileged to have the opportunity, and many left college well-situated to make six figure salaries for life. The Twitterati can keep bemoaning their privileged status and demanding handouts all they want, but as far as I’m concerned if they want free money for college, they can join the Marines and serve the country like I, and so many others, have in the past and many more will in the future.”

He continued, “If they want a career and hard skills without college debt, they should join a union and enter an apprenticeship. But if they choose to attend college, they can pay back their loans just like working class people pay back home mortgages, car loans, and many other expenses that people choose to take out loans for.”
He didn't even offer the Francis Bacon defense: "Sure I took those bribes, but I didn't let them influence me."

There are currently 45 million people in the U.S. struggling with $1.8 trillion worth of student loan debt, according to the Debt Collective, and over a million borrowers default every year.

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Some analysts predict the resumption of payment could slow the output of the U.S. economy by as much as $70 billion a year, as low- and middle-income borrowers will be forced to make payments with income that they had been otherwise circulating back into the economy during the pandemic.
This may be another reason that Republicans oppose student-loan forgiveness. Repayment would slow down the economy and make Joe Biden and his fellow Democrats look bad, thus giving R's an easier time in 2024.
 
As Beacon previously reported, about 33% of managerial and professional households in the country have student debt; 25% of families in sales or the service industry have loans; and 21% of those employed in manufacturing, repair and agricultural industries are in debt.
Then noting "Blue Dogs swimming in corporate money"
Founded in 1994 by frontline Democrats in vulnerable districts who often back corporate-friendly economic policies, the Blue Dog Coalition, which Golden took over as a co-chair earlier this year, appears to be in the midst of a rebrand amid dwindling membership. This includes presenting its leaders as working class, at least in appearance.

A glowing feature story published last week by the Washington Post focused on Golden (pictured with sleeves rolled up exposing his tattoos) and Gluesenkamp Perez (mentioning she’s the owner of an auto repair shop) and their attempt to revitalize the coalition by bucking party orthodoxies and working across the aisle to serve everyday people.
Much like Kyrsten Sinema portraying herself as nonpartisan and pragmatic.
But like the centrist No Labels group co-chaired by Republican Sen. Susan Collins — which professes to represent the “exhausted majority” of voters fed up with gridlock and party labels who simply want bipartisan “practical solutions” — the Blue Dog Coalition is awash in corporate money from Wall Street and the health insurance, fossil fuel, tech, and defense industries.

That’s because while they ostensibly call for cooperation, which is hard to disagree with, media commentators have pointed out that these centrist lawmakers’ demand for bipartisanship is actually about reducing the chance for bold policies that threaten the status quo.
Like KS claiming to love the Senate filibuster.

Browse Disbursements | FEC for SLM CORPORATION PAC (SALLIE MAE PAC) (C00580076) -- KS has received a lot from Sallie Mae.
 
Congressman Jared Golden on X: "I've always held the opinion that working class Mainers shouldn't foot the bill for someone else's choices. Once again, radical leftist elites prove they don't understand Maine. (link) #mepolitics (pic link)" / X

Democratic Lawmaker: Student-Loan Borrowers Should Pay Back Their Debt
Joining Golden in chairing the Blue Dogs are Reps. Marie Gluesenkamp Perez and Mary Peltota. Gluesenkamp Perez was the one other Democratic House member along with Golden who voted to block student-debt relief, saying at the time that "expansions of student debt forgiveness need to be matched dollar-for-dollar with investments in career & technical education. I can't support the first without the other. The severe shortage of trades workers needs to be seen & treated as a national priority. It's about respect."
 
Golden Lashes Out at Student Borrowers After Taking Donation From Sallie Mae | Truthout

The Debt Collective 🟥 on X: "We have an update
After voting to kill your student debt cancellation @RepGolden & @RepMGP were rewarded with a donation from Sallie Mae's PAC to the Blue Dogs which they co-chair
They also accept PAC money from scam for-profit colleges (pic link)" / X


and about JG's statement,
The Debt Collective 🟥 on X: "Did Sallie Mae write this? Because they certainly bought Jared Golden" / X
“Jared Golden is an elitist taking handouts from Sallie Mae to kill student debt cancellation for the working class,” said the group.
Former JG staffer Morgan Urquhart said that his statement is “truly embarrassing.”
“As your former employee, I have to say this divisive language and clear derision for people like me, first-generation college graduates from working class Maine families, goes way beyond disappointing,” said Urquhart, replying to Golden on Twitter. “Shame on you.”

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Progressive campaigner Robert Cruickshank said “someone should let [Golden] know” that student debt relief is broadly popular across the political spectrum, despite the lawmaker’s claim that advocates are so-called “radical leftist elites.”

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Dan Aibel, the operator of the long-running Twitter account Collins Watch, which reports on Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) and Maine politics, said Golden’s remarks amounted to an “unfortunate attempt to pit working class Mainers against each other rather than advocating for their interests and working to build solidarity among them.”

“This should be read as a declaration from Jared Golden,” said Aibel, “that he has no interest in representing the Democratic party in any future statewide race.”

Also in Golden Blasted for 'Tantrum' Attacking Student Borrowers After Taking Sallie Mae Donation
 
The Biden Admin's interim plan as it works on alternate routes to debt forgiveness:

FACT SHEET: The Biden-Harris Administration Launches the SAVE Plan, the Most Affordable Student Loan Repayment Plan Ever to Lower Monthly Payments for Millions of Borrowers | The White House - August 22, 2023
Today, the Biden-Harris Administration announced the official launch of the most affordable repayment plan ever created – the Saving on a Valuable Education (SAVE) plan and kicked off an outreach campaign to encourage eligible borrowers to sign up for the plan.

The SAVE plan is an income-driven repayment (IDR) plan that calculates payments based on a borrower’s income and family size – not their loan balance – and forgives remaining balances after a certain number of years. The SAVE plan will cut many borrowers’ monthly payments to zero, will save other borrowers around $1,000 per year, will prevent balances from growing because of unpaid interest, and will get more borrowers closer to forgiveness faster. The SAVE plan builds on the actions the Biden-Harris Administration has already taken to support students and borrowers, including cancelling more than $116 billion in student loan debt for 3.4 million Americans.

The Biden-Harris Administration estimates that over 20 million borrowers could benefit from the SAVE plan. Borrowers can sign up today by visiting StudentAid.gov/SAVE
It will
  • Cut payments on undergraduate loans in half.
  • Bring many borrowers’ loan payments to $0 per month.
  • Ensure that borrowers never see their balance grow as long as they keep up with their required payments.
  • Provide early forgiveness for low-balance borrowers.
Also,
  • Borrowers will see their total payments per dollar borrowed fall by 40%. Borrowers with the lowest projected lifetime earnings will see payments per dollar borrowed fall by 83%, while those in the top would only see a 5% reduction.
  • A typical graduate of a four-year public university will save nearly $2,000 a year.
  • A first-year teacher with a bachelor’s degree will see a two-third reduction in total payments, saving more than $17,000, while pursuing Public Service Loan Forgiveness.
  • 85% of community college borrowers will be debt-free within 10 years because of the early forgiveness for low-balance borrowers provision of the plan.
  • On average, Black, Hispanic, American Indian and Alaska Native borrowers will see their total lifetime payments per dollar borrowed cut in half.
"To date, the Biden-Harris Administration has cancelled more than $116 billion in student loan debt for 3.4 million Americans, including:"
  • $39 billion for 804,000 borrowers as a result of fixes to IDR plans who have been in repayment for over 20 years but never got the relief they deserved
  • $45.7 billion for 662,000 public service workers
  • $10.5 billion for 491,000 borrowers who have a total and permanent disability; and
  • $22 billion for nearly 1.3 million borrowers who were cheated by their schools, saw their schools precipitously close, or are covered by related court settlements.
 
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez:

STUDENT LOAN GUIDE PART 1 of 6: … | Instagram
STUDENT LOAN GUIDE PART 1 of 6: INTRODUCTION

The fight for student loan cancellation IS ALIVE and we are making progress. However, LOTS of you have been sending me questions about payments restarting on October 1st, including about newly announced programs and basic logistics. In that light, we have put together a 6 part playlist guide to answer some of your most common questions and help people navigate the boatloads of information while we continue to organize. Please note that this is NOT an endorsement of loans restarting, but merely a transmission of basic facts and essential info since there’s a lot of mistaken claims floating around and we want to make sure people have access to the facts.
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PART 1: INTRO
PART 2: POLITICS/CONTEXT FOR RESTART DATE
PART 3: YOU COULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR CANCELLATION RIGHT NOW AND NOT KNOW IT
PART 4: REDUCING OR ELIMINATING YOUR LOAN PAYMENT WITH THE NEW SAVE PROGRAM
PART 5: HOW TO ACTUALLY MAKE A PAYMENT AND WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU DON’T
PART 6: HOW TO REPORT LOAN PROCESSORS WHO ARE MISHANDLING YOUR LOAN

STUDENT LOAN GUIDE PART 2/6: HOW DID WE GET HERE? … | Instagram
STUDENT LOAN GUIDE PART 2/6: HOW DID WE GET HERE?
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There’s a lot of confusion out there as to whether cancellation is still alive, what the status of it is, and why payments are restarting. This video briefly runs through the timeline of events from the first cancellation announcement, to SCOTUS, to payments restarting. If you’ve heard a lot of on/off about the program in the news, this should put that into context and answer some of those questions. This is NOT an endorsement of payments restarting, but recounting the sequence of events and summarizing where we are now since we’ve seen some confusion out there. If you want to jump straight into questions about your loans, check out part 3 and beyond.

STUDENT LOAN GUIDE PART 3/6: YOU COULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR LOAN CANCELLATION *NOW* AND NOT KNOW IT … | Instagram
STUDENT LOAN GUIDE PART 3/6: YOU COULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR LOAN CANCELLATION *NOW* AND NOT KNOW IT
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While the fight for broader student loan cancellation continues (and we should expect updates on that over the next year), there ARE certain categories of people who are eligible for cancellation programs NOW. Namely: public service (gov/nonprofit), teachers, permanent disability, and those who were either misled by their colleges or had their colleges close down during or shortly after graduating.
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Additionally, a LOT of people were unjustly turned away from prior PSLF requests. Many of those cases are being reviewed now for reassessment/cancellation.

STUDENT LOAN GUIDE PT 4/6: ELIMINATING/REDUCING YOUR STUDENT LOAN PAYMENT WITH THE NEW SAVE PROGRAM … | Instagram
STUDENT LOAN GUIDE PT 4/6: ELIMINATING/REDUCING YOUR STUDENT LOAN PAYMENT WITH THE NEW SAVE PROGRAM
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In addition to continuing to pursue broader loan cancellation, the Biden Admin also announced a new loan program called SAVE that could lower or eliminate your loan payments - even if you’ve already been on another income-driven repayment program previously. This video explains what it is and how to sign up or learn more.

STUDENT LOAN GUIDE PT 5/6: WHAT HAPPENS IF I DON’T PAY AND HOW DO YOU EVEN START? … | Instagram
STUDENT LOAN GUIDE PT 5/6: WHAT HAPPENS IF I DON’T PAY AND HOW DO YOU EVEN START?
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While we disagree with lifting of the payment pause, LOTS of people are asking about where to even start after 3 years of suspended payments. After you check if you’re eligible for the current loan cancellation and payment reduction/elimination programs, this video will walk you through some of the basic facts and logistics. While is not an endorsement of payments restarting, we do think it’s important that people have the facts. So here it is!
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Next up: what to do if your loan servicer is acting strange or misbehaving

STUDENT LOAN GUIDE PT 6/6: WHAT TO DO IF YOUR LOAN SERVICER IS MISHANDLING YOUR ACCOUNT … | Instagram
STUDENT LOAN GUIDE PT 6/6: WHAT TO DO IF YOUR LOAN SERVICER IS MISHANDLING YOUR ACCOUNT
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It is VERY important to document if your loan servicer is mishandling your account or making mistakes. In the past, loan servicers who mishandled loans resulted in over student loan cancellation for people impacted. It also helps officials keep an eye 👁️ out for bad actors and pursue accountability and oversight. So: document, document, document! This last video installment will show you how.
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Thank you for sticking along! Was this series helpful? If so, how? Are there other areas you’d like to see video guides on? Feel free to share with others and drop questions in the comments. ⬇️
 
What has Brandon and Harris done now? Cancelled, debt relief, forgiveness; what now?! :oops:

The Biden administration has approved debt relief for an additional 125,000 student loan borrowers, totaling $9 billion in forgiveness, the White House said Wednesday. Though the Supreme Court struck down President Joe Biden’s hallmark student loan forgiveness program, which promised up to $20,000 in debt relief for low- and middle-income borrowers, the administration has continued to find other ways to provide debt relief. The cancellations announced Wednesday come through three different existing debt relief programs that have been plagued with problems in the past. The White House is conducting what it calls “fixes” to a “broken student loan system.” An additional 53,000 borrowers will receive debt cancellation under the Public Service Loan Forgiveness program, which wipes away remaining student loan debt after qualifying public sector workers make 10 years’ worth of monthly payments.

A White House official said that the new discharges bring the total approved debt cancellation to $127 billion for nearly 3.6 million borrowers so far during Biden’s time in office.

CNN

$127 BILLION in three years!
 
Biden just cancelled 9 billion in student loan debt.
Why Dems think that people who borrow money, esp. for expensive private colleges like Boston U, should not pay back their loans really baffles me.
If you mischaracterise a person's motives, then it's not surprising that their actions appear baffling.

Dems don't think that people who borrow money, in general, shouldn't pay it back. They think that people who want an education shouldn't have had to borrow money in the first place.

There are two poles of political opinion with regards to education funding.

On one side are people who see the objective of education to be the enrichment of the individual who obtained that education. In this view, it is reasonable that the student should pay in full for his tuition, and that if he cannot afford to do so, he should borrow the money needed, and then pay it back once his education has made him wealthy.

On the other side are people who see the objective of education to be the enrichment of humanity. In this view, it is reasonable that the student should pay nothing upfront for his education, and that instead the cost should be bought by progressive taxation, so that those who currently benefit most from the fruits of an educated society, are asked to pay the most for its continuance. Those students who become personally wealthy as a consequence of their education will pay more taxes in the future to sustain the system; Those who benefit peripherally from education (eg the shareholders in corporations that benefit financially from the ideas and inventions of the educated) will also pay their share, with personal income as a proxy for the degree of benefit accruing to any individual (no matter how poorly educated) who benefits from their membership of a widely educated society.

Between these poles are a whole spectrum of opinions about who should pay for education, and to what extent. Most nations fund education by both students paying upfront fees, and through taxpayer funds that reduce those fees to manageable levels.

Loan forgiveness is, in this context, an attempt to redress an error - the Dems are essentially saying that the balance was historically unfair as it placed a disproportionate burden on individual students; And they are acting in an attempt to correct that error.

Their actions say nothing whatsoever about their position on the question of whether, as a general rule, loans should be repaid by those who borrowed money to begin with.

If every taxpayer currently benefits from the existence of an educational system, and from the productivity of those who have received an education, then it's perfectly reasonable for taxpayers to retrospectively pay for the benefits that they are receiving, and to relieve (at least in part) the unjust burdens of those who passed through the university system.

The big problem with imposing the burden of costs on the individual students is that genius is both rare and difficult to detect in advance. If you want to get the maximum benefit of an educational system for society at large, you need to accept that many individual students will never be sufficiently productive as to repay to society the cost of their education - but that having a broad intake of students will capture the few whose productivity will massively outweigh the costs of their less successful peers.

If you want to avoid relegating the next Einstein to a life flipping burgers, then you need to accept that you will have to also educate a dozen or more people who will end up flipping burgers despite their educational opportunities, in order to ensure that Albert gets the background he needs, to change the world.
 
$127 BILLION in three years!
Or, to look at it another way, $10 per month per American. For the price of a cup of cheap coffee a week, 3.6 million Americans can have their lives dramatically improved, and can get out from under a crippling burden of debt, and start instead to be valuable participants in the economy.
 
$127 BILLION in three years!
Or, to look at it another way, $10 per month per American. For the price of a cup of cheap coffee a week, 3.6 million Americans can have their lives dramatically improved, and can get out from under a crippling burden of debt, and start instead to be valuable participants in the economy.
Outrageous! Who cares about all that stuff? Libs, that’s who. 127 billion?
Why, that’s almost a TENTH of what Trump gave away to billionaires! For which we, the taxpayers, get all that feel good stuff? At least our way we ended up with the inestimable benefit of more right wing propaganda, so we can elect more Bobos, Margies and Matties. And we can burn it all down before it can lock up Dear Leader!
 
Biden just cancelled 9 billion in student loan debt.
Why Dems think that people who borrow money, esp. for expensive private colleges like Boston U, should not pay back their loans really baffles me.
It baffles me how you can post this when the differences between a student loan and say, a home mortgage or a car loan or a credit card—none of which an 18 year old can qualify for—has been discussed in detail here.

Recap for those with a blank in their memory:

Student loans often are offered at predatory conditions and rates to a population which is too young and inexperienced to be able to properly assess their wisdom. This same population is not generally allowed to obtain a home mortgage, a credit card or a car loan—any of which can be discharged through v bankruptcy, unlike student loans because of their youth and inexperience.

Many student loans are marketed towards with the least amount of familial experience with college or student loans s and those who are less likely to be attempting to attend a 4 year degree granting institution. Students often leave their schools with enormous debts and no degree or one that is useless fir obtaining employment. Without experienced or savvy family to advise them, students are often roped into unfair terms of loans. This applies as well to non-traditional students already burdened by familial and job obligations and who are desperate to improve their economic situation and that of their family. They are seeking to improve their lot by obtaining an education the only way they can: often through an institution that is long on promises and short on actual value.

Students who have bee paying for decades report that they still have not touched the principle of their loan.

Aside from righting a grace wrong: predatory loan practices, a huge portion of those under 50 are crippled by student loans and are unable to afford to purchase a home, marry or start a family. This creates a big drag on the economy -and hurts us all.
 
Many student loans are marketed towards with the least amount of familial experience with college or student loans s and those who are less likely to be attempting to attend a 4 year degree granting institution. Students often leave their schools with enormous debts and no degree or one that is useless fir obtaining employment. Without experienced or savvy family to advise them, students are often roped into unfair terms of loans. This applies as well to non-traditional students already burdened by familial and job obligations and who are desperate to improve their economic situation and that of their family. They are seeking to improve their lot by obtaining an education the only way they can: often through an institution that is long on promises and short on actual value.
They are also often very directly lied to, even by the government itself. A lot of this current burst of supposed "loan forgiveness" is to people who were straight up owed that forgiveness under the terms they originally agreed to.
 
Student loan debt is not eliminated, the debt is transfers to taxpayers, like you.

So if a student goes to Harvard and gets loan 'forgiveness' then you the taxpayer is paying for somebody's Ivy League education.

Sounds fair to me.
 
Student loan debt is not eliminated, the debt is transfers to taxpayers, like you.

So if a student goes to Harvard and gets loan 'forgiveness' then you the taxpayer is paying for somebody's Ivy League education.

Sounds fair to me.
About as fair as trying to buy your first house after two bubbles and raising interest rates.
 
Student loan debt is not eliminated, the debt is transfers to taxpayers, like you.

So if a student goes to Harvard and gets loan 'forgiveness' then you the taxpayer is paying for somebody's Ivy League education.

Sounds fair to me.
How do you reckon? The government does not make direct loans to students. Those are provided by predatory lenders, who then sell the debt into a bewildering market, but one composed of companies who are still subject to the law in at least some respects. No money is leaving your pocket, here. Some money is certainly being added to the federal deficit, but that deficit is not your pocket nor yours alone to manage. This policy is very unlikely to impact you directly at all.
 
Student loan debt is not eliminated, the debt is transfers to taxpayers, like you.

So if a student goes to Harvard and gets loan 'forgiveness' then you the taxpayer is paying for somebody's Ivy League education.

Sounds fair to me.
I am glad it sounds fair to you. Does it sound as fair as subsidizing going electric or profits to oil exploration companies via tax breaks or small business loans or any other of the myriad avenues the federal gov't subsidizes economic activity that I have never seen you complain about?
 
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