Biden Pardons Hunter

[barbos]

Did not JaBiden say that nobody was above the law when asked about pardoning his piece of shit son?

 

[barbos]

I hope he does a whole bunch of shit now.

Has not he done more than enough already?

 

[barbos]

about the laptop that was in illegal possession of several people including Giuliani

Actually it was quite legal. The criminal forgot to take it from the shop and it became property of shop owner.

 

[ZiprHead]

But I look back to 2010 and realise that I am indeed fortunate not to be in that position still.

Ditto!

I do not know why you are fixatured on money and proportions.

I’m not. My point has to do with the previous “just another rich guy buying off justice” (iirc) comment. Part of my objection to that is that it reflects obliviousness to the imbalance of power created by multiple orders of magnitude differentials in wealth. Which exists whether we’re talking the difference between dollars and thousands of dollars, or millions vs billions.
The other part is that pardoning your son is just as easy if you’re a total pauper as if you’re George Soros - as long as you’re President.

Looks like you accept the charge that Biden is a hypocrite?

Not really. He knows he compromised himself, but that was better than watching his kid's entire life being destroyed when he was able to prevent that from happening. WWJD? What would YOU do?

Hunter broke the law(s) it seems. There are consequences for that. Hunter is a responsible moral agent.

Consequences that almost no one ever experiences.

He has put his father in a most invidous position.
Yet the President broke his public word. Why should anyone believe him after this? Granted he will be gone shortly. But the decision will live on.

No, bullshit prosecutions of his only living son have put him in this situation.

You accept the fact that he was ensuring some degree of welfare for his son by countering an imbalance of power, of course...
What you seem not to accept is that his son in the crosshairs of a sociopath about to inherit power and intends to use it as unlimited with the permission of the Supreme Court.

I accept he is concerned about his son. But he is not J. Biden, citizen of the USA. He is J. Biden President of the USA. His actions matter.

Which is why he can do this and also why it occurred. Do you really believe this sort of treatment would have happened to the son of J. Biden, citizen of the USA?

 

[RVonse]

Why should the 1/6ers be pardoned?

Because there is a lot of suspicion that the deep state was heavily involved with Jan 6. I posted a video earlier and Joe Rogan who explains it much better and detail than I can. You and others can dismiss Joe Rogan if you want, but there are a lot of people who agree with this sentiment right now.

Most of the rank and file of those agencies are probably honest but the people at the top are corrupt.

What in the world are you talking about? Are you trying to say that the meanie deep state people were the protesters? Some kind of false flag operation?

Yes. I'm not saying it personally, but yes that is what they are claiming. And sadly, this would not be the first time our government has been accused of a false flag just to help create trouble.

 

[RVonse]

I can name Peter Strzok for one if you like.

Pretend that I don't live in a right wing echo chamber and elaborate how Strzok is "deep state".

Peter Strzok was an FBI agent investigating Trump. Nothing wrong with that except that some emails wrote to his girlfriend indicating he would make sure Trump was taken out (or words to that effect) because he hated the guy politically. Obviously he did not succeed but the point is that similar non elected government employees absolutely do have great power over politicians. Thus making them known as the "Deep State".

Listen carefully to senator Schumer after time stamp 40. That is the truth being told about our Deep State by a Democrat politician no less.

 

[RVonse]

In theory, an innocent person should not be afraid of the law since they should have nothing to hide. But in practice, everyone should be afraid of law and scrutiny since we are all breaking some kind of law (there are so many of them now) if the government wants to pursue ruining someone.

But that effect worked more in Biden's favor than Trump's because he was more experienced controlling the deep state.

And you're completely missing the point.

Yes, the justice system isn't perfect. The problem is that The Felon intends to weaponize it.

Both sides weaponize it. You don't think the law has been weaponized against Trump? Then you are not paying attention to 34 felonies for the same crime. Thankfully the voters recognized this even though you haven't.

If you do the same crime 34 times should you not be convicted for 34 crimes?

No. Using your logic, the police could say you should get 10 speeding tickets because their radar gun took 10 measurements before they pulled you over.

 

[RVonse]

But I look back to 2010 and realise that I am indeed fortunate not to be in that position still.

Ditto!

I do not know why you are fixatured on money and proportions.

I’m not. My point has to do with the previous “just another rich guy buying off justice” (iirc) comment. Part of my objection to that is that it reflects obliviousness to the imbalance of power created by multiple orders of magnitude differentials in wealth. Which exists whether we’re talking the difference between dollars and thousands of dollars, or millions vs billions.
The other part is that pardoning your son is just as easy if you’re a total pauper as if you’re George Soros - as long as you’re President.

Looks like you accept the charge that Biden is a hypocrite?

Not really. He knows he compromised himself, but that was better than watching his kid's entire life being destroyed when he was able to prevent that from happening. WWJD? What would YOU do?
You accept the fact that he was ensuring some degree of welfare for his son by countering an imbalance of power, of course...
What you seem not to accept is that his son in the crosshairs of a sociopath about to inherit power and intends to use it as unlimited with the permission of the Supreme Court.

Why can't you just admit the truth? That Biden is a great father we should admire. But that he is also just another shit head politician who lies just as much as Trump with no honor for what he has given the Democrats.

 

[RVonse]

If Trump actually makes good on some of his promises you will see first hand some of the issues and fixes regarding this so called "deep state" you see as a handwaving fiction.

Also RVonse;

A lot of the people that Trump is nominating to his administration could be considered "deep state". You did not get to vote for them.

Consistency isn't really a priority for MAGA cultists is it?

This is NOT inconsistent. It will take help from some of the Deep State to fix the Deep State.

As I have already mentioned, most of the rank and file who work for the government are no doubt good people. But the corruption has to be weeded out and guard rails put in place to ensure honesty in the future.

 

[barbos]

This is NOT inconsistent. It will take help from some of the Deep State to fix the Deep State.

I doubt the Deep State will help to defeat the Deep State. They are only interested in making sure Trump is as impotent as he he was the first time.

 

[Tigers!]

But I look back to 2010 and realise that I am indeed fortunate not to be in that position still.

Ditto!

I do not know why you are fixatured on money and proportions.

I’m not. My point has to do with the previous “just another rich guy buying off justice” (iirc) comment. Part of my objection to that is that it reflects obliviousness to the imbalance of power created by multiple orders of magnitude differentials in wealth. Which exists whether we’re talking the difference between dollars and thousands of dollars, or millions vs billions.
The other part is that pardoning your son is just as easy if you’re a total pauper as if you’re George Soros - as long as you’re President.

Looks like you accept the charge that Biden is a hypocrite?

Not really. He knows he compromised himself, but that was better than watching his kid's entire life being destroyed when he was able to prevent that from happening. WWJD? What would YOU do?

Hunter broke the law(s) it seems. There are consequences for that. Hunter is a responsible moral agent.

Consequences that almost no one ever experiences.

He has put his father in a most invidous position.
Yet the President broke his public word. Why should anyone believe him after this? Granted he will be gone shortly. But the decision will live on.

No, bullshit prosecutions of his only living son have put him in this situation.

He (Hunter) broke the law did he not?

You accept the fact that he was ensuring some degree of welfare for his son by countering an imbalance of power, of course...
What you seem not to accept is that his son in the crosshairs of a sociopath about to inherit power and intends to use it as unlimited with the permission of the Supreme Court.

I accept he is concerned about his son. But he is not J. Biden, citizen of the USA. He is J. Biden President of the USA. His actions matter.

Which is why he can do this and also why it occurred. Do you really believe this sort of treatment would have happened to the son of J. Biden, citizen of the USA?

What little I have seen of the US legal sytem (I will not call it a justice system) would suggest the Hunter Biden broke the law. Unless you are suggesting that the gun was planted and that he was forced fed the drugs?

What Biden did for his son is a reason but not an excuse.
Just because those nasty Republicans do such things is not an excuse nor a reason for a Democrat President to break his word.
You keep claiming the Democrats are better but I see little evidence of that. Same horse, different name.
2 wrongs do not make aright.

 

[Toni]

The situation changed.

Had Harris won I would object to the pardon. But with The Felon winning I believe it was the correct course of action.

No, the situation didn't change in any relevant way.

If Biden intended to pardon Hunter in the event that The Orange One was elected to the Presidency, he could have conveyed that to the American people. It was obviously a possibility all along that Trump would win. Instead, Biden repeatedly said that he would not pardon Hunter. If Biden had a secret intention to pardon Hunter in the event of a Trump victory (as I suppose he may have), he nevertheless lied, repeatedly.

You can think that Trump is engaged in a witch hunt, and also think that it is a big deal that Biden lied about this. There are Democratic leaders in high places who think exactly that.

There is a difference between lying and changing your mind because you recognize the dangers in your original position.

For those of you who find Biden’s action to be outrageous, I wonder if you’ve taken a look at other presidential pardons issued by past presidents? You really should do so.

I also cannot help but think in that people who criticize Ben but voted fur someone found guilty of 34 felonies, an adjudicated rapist, someone who routinely brags about his sexual assaults of women, who is credibly accused of sexual assault by multiple women and at least one individual who was a child when she was raped by Trump, who vows revenge on anyone who opposes him, who stole classified documents and lied about it, who attempted the violent overthrow of a fair and free election, who encouraged his followers to kill his VP and seek out a d kill other members of Congress, who sucks up to dictators —for starters: Well you can all just go fuck yourselves.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

If Trump actually makes good on some of his promises you will see first hand some of the issues and fixes regarding this so called "deep state" you see as a handwaving fiction.

Also RVonse;

A lot of the people that Trump is nominating to his administration could be considered "deep state". You did not get to vote for them.

Consistency isn't really a priority for MAGA cultists is it?

This is NOT inconsistent. It will take help from some of the Deep State to fix the Deep State.

As I have already mentioned, most of the rank and file who work for the government are no doubt good people. But the corruption has to be weeded out and guard rails put in place to ensure honesty in the future.

"The corruption", just like the "voter fraud". Just keep saying it is real until it is accepted. Oh you think there is no corruption at all in Government?

The corruption of the Deep State is so apparent, there is very little that the people screaming of it can say. People that think as such should never be put in charge of troubleshooting problems.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

He has put his father in a most invidous position.
Yet the President broke his public word. Why should anyone believe him after this? Granted he will be gone shortly. But the decision will live on.

No, bullshit prosecutions of his only living son have put him in this situation.

He (Hunter) broke the law did he not?

You accept the fact that he was ensuring some degree of welfare for his son by countering an imbalance of power, of course...
What you seem not to accept is that his son in the crosshairs of a sociopath about to inherit power and intends to use it as unlimited with the permission of the Supreme Court.

I accept he is concerned about his son. But he is not J. Biden, citizen of the USA. He is J. Biden President of the USA. His actions matter.

Which is why he can do this and also why it occurred. Do you really believe this sort of treatment would have happened to the son of J. Biden, citizen of the USA?

What little I have seen of the US legal sytem (I will not call it a justice system) would suggest the Hunter Biden broke the law. Unless you are suggesting that the gun was planted and that he was forced fed the drugs?

What Biden did for his son is a reason but not an excuse.
Just because those nasty Republicans do such things is not an excuse nor a reason for a Democrat President to break his word.

Break his word? What type of sanctimonious bullshit is that? The question to ask is whether Biden offered a pardon simply because Hunter was his son. The answer is yes but it comes with the asterisk of Trump. So it is definitely dubious. What Trump could have done with sentencing pressure would have been much worse than dubious. And if this is the worst thing that Biden does, give me a fucking break! Trump had protestors chemically assaulted so he could do a fucking Bible photoshoot. That is just the tip of the iceberg. Dude abused his position to try to get a fake investigation announced against Biden by the Ukrainian Government in an attempt to help secure his own re-election. That isn't dubious, that is impeachable.

You keep claiming the Democrats are better but I see little evidence of that. Same horse, different name.

Yeah, like you said, you've seen very little of the US Legal System and are unbelievably ignorant of American politics in general, but you still try to suggest otherwise.

2 wrongs do not make aright.

As previously noted, there were probably ways to manage it, but the trouble was, the sentencing was likely to occur during the Trump Admin. That is a problem. I don't know whether if sentencing had already occurred and Double Jeopardy well in effect, if Biden would have pardon the convictions. No way to tell.

 

[laughing dog]

If Trump actually makes good on some of his promises you will see first hand some of the issues and fixes regarding this so called "deep state" you see as a handwaving fiction.

Also RVonse;

A lot of the people that Trump is nominating to his administration could be considered "deep state". You did not get to vote for them.

Consistency isn't really a priority for MAGA cultists is it?

This is NOT inconsistent. It will take help from some of the Deep State to fix the Deep State.

As I have already mentioned, most of the rank and file who work for the government are no doubt good people. But the corruption has to be weeded out and guard rails put in place to ensure honesty in the future.

Ok. But why do you think an excellent example of corruption is capable of achieving such a goal?

 

[Elixir]

There are consequences for that.

There HAVE BEEN consequences. More severe consequences than befall any other violators of that same law.
Trump has broken hundreds of laws that actually damage people - no consequences. That doesn’t seem to bother you. Hypocrisy?

the President broke his public word. Why should anyone believe him after this?

Most definitely certainly he changed his mind. Broke his word.
Trump breaks every fucking word he ever uttered. Doesn’t seem to bother you.
Hypocrisy?
Feel free to explain.

 

[Elixir]

But I look back to 2010 and realise that I am indeed fortunate not to be in that position still.

Ditto!

I do not know why you are fixatured on money and proportions.

I’m not. My point has to do with the previous “just another rich guy buying off justice” (iirc) comment. Part of my objection to that is that it reflects obliviousness to the imbalance of power created by multiple orders of magnitude differentials in wealth. Which exists whether we’re talking the difference between dollars and thousands of dollars, or millions vs billions.
The other part is that pardoning your son is just as easy if you’re a total pauper as if you’re George Soros - as long as you’re President.

Looks like you accept the charge that Biden is a hypocrite?

Not really. He knows he compromised himself, but that was better than watching his kid's entire life being destroyed when he was able to prevent that from happening. WWJD? What would YOU do?

Hunter broke the law(s) it seems. There are consequences for that. Hunter is a responsible moral agent.

Consequences that almost no one ever experiences.

He has put his father in a most invidous position.
Yet the President broke his public word. Why should anyone believe him after this? Granted he will be gone shortly. But the decision will live on.

No, bullshit prosecutions of his only living son have put him in this situation.

He (Hunter) broke the law did he not?

You accept the fact that he was ensuring some degree of welfare for his son by countering an imbalance of power, of course...
What you seem not to accept is that his son in the crosshairs of a sociopath about to inherit power and intends to use it as unlimited with the permission of the Supreme Court.

I accept he is concerned about his son. But he is not J. Biden, citizen of the USA. He is J. Biden President of the USA. His actions matter.

Which is why he can do this and also why it occurred. Do you really believe this sort of treatment would have happened to the son of J. Biden, citizen of the USA?

What little I have seen of the US legal sytem (I will not call it a justice system) would suggest the Hunter Biden broke the law. Unless you are suggesting that the gun was planted and that he was forced fed the drugs?

What Biden did for his son is a reason but not an excuse.
Just because those nasty Republicans do such things is not an excuse nor a reason for a Democrat President to break his word.
You keep claiming the Democrats are better but I see little evidence of that. Same horse, different name.
2 wrongs do not make aright.

Somehow it escapes you that over 4 years, Trump has lied about material matters of real consequence TENS OF THOUSSNDS OF TIMES.
What’s your real beef Tigers? The fact that he’s a liberal supporter of democracy seems to make his single relatively harmless transgression a bigger deal .
WHY?
Hypocrisy? Feel free to explain.
I also gotta ask again-
Biden knows he compromised himself, but that was better than watching his kid's entire life being destroyed when he was able to prevent that from happening. WWJD? What would YOU do?

 

[ZiprHead]

But I look back to 2010 and realise that I am indeed fortunate not to be in that position still.

Ditto!

I do not know why you are fixatured on money and proportions.

I’m not. My point has to do with the previous “just another rich guy buying off justice” (iirc) comment. Part of my objection to that is that it reflects obliviousness to the imbalance of power created by multiple orders of magnitude differentials in wealth. Which exists whether we’re talking the difference between dollars and thousands of dollars, or millions vs billions.
The other part is that pardoning your son is just as easy if you’re a total pauper as if you’re George Soros - as long as you’re President.

Looks like you accept the charge that Biden is a hypocrite?

Not really. He knows he compromised himself, but that was better than watching his kid's entire life being destroyed when he was able to prevent that from happening. WWJD? What would YOU do?

Hunter broke the law(s) it seems. There are consequences for that. Hunter is a responsible moral agent.

Consequences that almost no one ever experiences.

He has put his father in a most invidous position.
Yet the President broke his public word. Why should anyone believe him after this? Granted he will be gone shortly. But the decision will live on.

No, bullshit prosecutions of his only living son have put him in this situation.

He (Hunter) broke the law did he not?

Yes, he did. No one disputes that.

You accept the fact that he was ensuring some degree of welfare for his son by countering an imbalance of power, of course...
What you seem not to accept is that his son in the crosshairs of a sociopath about to inherit power and intends to use it as unlimited with the permission of the Supreme Court.

I accept he is concerned about his son. But he is not J. Biden, citizen of the USA. He is J. Biden President of the USA. His actions matter.

Which is why he can do this and also why it occurred. Do you really believe this sort of treatment would have happened to the son of J. Biden, citizen of the USA?

What little I have seen of the US legal sytem (I will not call it a justice system) would suggest the Hunter Biden broke the law. Unless you are suggesting that the gun was planted and that he was forced fed the drugs?

Please stop with the straw men.

What Biden did for his son is a reason but not an excuse.
Just because those nasty Republicans do such things is not an excuse nor a reason for a Democrat President to break his word.
You keep claiming the Democrats are better but I see little evidence of that. Same horse, different name.
2 wrongs do not make aright.

You keep making proclamations but do not address the people who support Biden's decision and their reasons for doing so. Willful blindness is not a positive attribute.

 

[Elixir]

Willful blindness is not a positive attribute.

But it has its benefits. Certainly acknowledging the fact of Trump’s tens of thousands of lies would be difficult ground to stand on while decrying ONE relatively harmless CHANGE OF MIND. In fact it would paint one as a hypocrite, were it not for that willful blindness.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The situation changed.

Had Harris won I would object to the pardon. But with The Felon winning I believe it was the correct course of action.

No, the situation didn't change in any relevant way.

If Biden intended to pardon Hunter in the event that The Orange One was elected to the Presidency, he could have conveyed that to the American people. It was obviously a possibility all along that Trump would win. Instead, Biden repeatedly said that he would not pardon Hunter. If Biden had a secret intention to pardon Hunter in the event of a Trump victory (as I suppose he may have), he nevertheless lied, repeatedly.

You can think that Trump is engaged in a witch hunt, and also think that it is a big deal that Biden lied about this. There are Democratic leaders in high places who think exactly that.

There is a difference between lying and changing your mind because you recognize the dangers in your original position.

For those of you who find Biden’s action to be outrageous, I wonder if you’ve taken a look at other presidential pardons issued by past presidents? You really should do so.

The interesting thing that some are suggesting this will justify the January 6th pardons. You know... to people that physically assaulted police officers. Some black dude shows an officer disrespect and it devolves in to the black guy getting killed, and these people support the cop. Some white people assault police officers at the US Capitol building, and these people support pardons for the assaulters.

You know what, maybe these people don't care about race, they just support and love violence.