Biden Pardons Hunter

[RVonse]

For those of you who find Biden’s action to be outrageous, I wonder if you’ve taken a look at other presidential pardons issued by past presidents? You really should do so.

Probably one of the most outrageous IMO were the Clinton pardon's paid for by the international fugitives: https://nypost.com/2016/01/17/after-pardoning-criminal-marc-rich-clintons-made-millions-off-friends/

But even those ridiculous pardons were normal (non Nixon type) pardons and not the type of encompassing pardon that Biden just gave to Hunter.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

For those of you who find Biden’s action to be outrageous, I wonder if you’ve taken a look at other presidential pardons issued by past presidents? You really should do so.

Probably one of the most outrageous IMO were the Clinton pardon's paid for by the international fugitives: https://nypost.com/2016/01/17/after-pardoning-criminal-marc-rich-clintons-made-millions-off-friends/

Limbaugh would never shut up about Marc fucking Rich. Certainly seemed a very dubious pardon funding wise, but that be the Clintons. They are the most "liberal" people America will elect.

But even those ridiculous pardons were normal (non Nixon type) pardons and not the type of encompassing pardon that Biden just gave to Hunter.

And January 6th... the ones with those people that assaulted police officers.

I think the Hunter Biden pardon will go down as the least most controversial political scandal in a President's administration.

 

[laughing dog]

For those of you who find Biden’s action to be outrageous, I wonder if you’ve taken a look at other presidential pardons issued by past presidents? You really should do so.

Probably one of the most outrageous IMO were the Clinton pardon's paid for by the international fugitives: https://nypost.com/2016/01/17/after-pardoning-criminal-marc-rich-clintons-made-millions-off-friends/

But even those ridiculous pardons were normal (non Nixon type) pardons and not the type of encompassing pardon that Biden just gave to Hunter.

Assuming your characterization is accurate (a big assumption), so what?

BTW - full pardons are not abnormal.
 List_of_people_pardoned_or_granted_clemency_by_the_president_of_the_United_States . History is replete with US presidents issuing full pardons. Even your persecuted savior, Donald Trump did so.

 

[Patooka]

I can name Peter Strzok for one if you like.

Pretend that I don't live in a right wing echo chamber and elaborate how Strzok is "deep state".

Peter Strzok was an FBI agent investigating Trump. Nothing wrong with that except that some emails wrote to his girlfriend indicating he would make sure Trump was taken out (or words to that effect) because he hated the guy politically. Obviously he did not succeed but the point is that similar non elected government employees absolutely do have great power over politicians. Thus making them known as the "Deep State".

Listen carefully to senator Schumer after time stamp 40. That is the truth being told about our Deep State by a Democrat politician no less.

So a whole bunch of manufactured nothing then. Good to know.

 

[Elixir]

“except that some emails wrote to his girlfriend indicating he would make sure Trump was taken out (or words to that effect) because he hated the guy politically”

^^ a manufactured Right Wing Wackjob boogeyman. There is nothing in Strzok’s history or behavior before during or after the perfectly legal investigation of Cheato, that would indicate that he was willing to break the ethical standards to which he was bound. Telling his girlfriend “words to that effect”(??!) is not a violation, regardless of what he told her.
Hating Trump is not a violation of anything, especially if your job forces you to confront the ugly facts of Trump’s criminal disregard for laws, propensity to defraud, and history of buying himself off the hook with frivolous litigation. In fact only a conspirator to such criminality would be viscerally inclined to “be neutral” about it as an FBI agent.

 

[Bronzeage]

For those of you who find Biden’s action to be outrageous, I wonder if you’ve taken a look at other presidential pardons issued by past presidents? You really should do so.

Probably one of the most outrageous IMO were the Clinton pardon's paid for by the international fugitives: https://nypost.com/2016/01/17/after-pardoning-criminal-marc-rich-clintons-made-millions-off-friends/

Limbaugh would never shut up about Marc fucking Rich. Certainly seemed a very dubious pardon funding wise, but that be the Clintons. They are the most "liberal" people America will elect.

But even those ridiculous pardons were normal (non Nixon type) pardons and not the type of encompassing pardon that Biden just gave to Hunter.

And January 6th... the ones with those people that assaulted police officers.

I think the Hunter Biden pardon will go down as the least most controversial political scandal in a President's administration.

The next year of the Trump administration will cover the Hunter pardon like snow over a cow pie. By spring, no one will even remember it.

 

[Elixir]

no one will even remember it.

Oh, I doubt that Democrats are going to forget the brouhaha the Republicans raised over Hunter, while Cheato pardons violent felons, fraudsters and sexual predators with which to stock his politburo.

 

[Shadowy Man]

For those of you who find Biden’s action to be outrageous, I wonder if you’ve taken a look at other presidential pardons issued by past presidents? You really should do so.

Probably one of the most outrageous IMO were the Clinton pardon's paid for by the international fugitives: https://nypost.com/2016/01/17/after-pardoning-criminal-marc-rich-clintons-made-millions-off-friends/

Limbaugh would never shut up about Marc fucking Rich. Certainly seemed a very dubious pardon funding wise, but that be the Clintons. They are the most "liberal" people America will elect.

But even those ridiculous pardons were normal (non Nixon type) pardons and not the type of encompassing pardon that Biden just gave to Hunter.

And January 6th... the ones with those people that assaulted police officers.

I think the Hunter Biden pardon will go down as the least most controversial political scandal in a President's administration.

The next year of the Trump administration will cover the Hunter pardon like snow over a cow pie. By spring, no one will even remember it.

We will likely get to that point even before January 20th at the rate Trump is already going, with his nominations and his crazy declarations about foreign leaders, etc.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

It has everything to do with witch hunting.

Which both sides do and have done in the past.

Could you be more specific?

Tom

Just off the top of my head, witch hunting against Trump

1) Russia investigation based on a fake Hillary dossier
2) 3 impeachments that went no where but done anyway
3) Trump being found guilty taking advantage of a bank who was happy with outcome with (no victim)
4) Trump being found guilty for hiding classified papers just like Biden was found innocent doing the same thing (unequal justice)

1) The dossier wasn't fake.

2) Just because the Republicans blocked action on the impeachments didn't make them wrong.

3) Just because there ends up not being a victim doesn't make an action not a crime. By your argument DUI would not be an offense unless someone gets hurt. What The Felon did is akin to DUI--imposed a risk they did not agree to. The fact that it came out ok doesn't change that.

4) They are not remotely similar cases. The reality is that at the top classified document handling sometimes goes astray. The Felon did not get in trouble over having classified documents, he got in trouble over refusing to return classified documents. That's what took it from oops to criminal.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I hope he does a whole bunch of shit now.

Has not he done more than enough already?

No, Dark Brandon just woke up.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The problem with the god did it approaches is that they're just packaging all the complexity into one item and dismissing it. No, if you want to invoke the deep state as the cause then you need to explain the deep state--and not just with a handwave.

If Trump actually makes good on some of his promises you will see first hand some of the issues and fixes regarding this so called "deep state" you see as a handwaving fiction.

First you need to identify this supposed deep state.

For example, if Trump gets his way (and not lying about it) the FBI headquarters will be moved out of Washington DC to a more neutral political location. Tulsi Gabbord is supposed to be heading up the intelligence agencies as well. For the first time in my lifetime, there could be real changes made to many agencies in her power.

Why would moving the FBI headquarters do anything other than cause a lot of good people to quit?

And putting someone in Moscow's sphere in control of the intelligence agencies would cause real change. Change that's very bad for the US.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

You misspelled 2.

You are absolutely correct Jimmy. There were so many witch hunts, I lost correct count of them all.

I have no idea why are against an alleged tyrannical deep state, while supporting a tyrant, who also happens to be the whiniest bitch to serve in the Oval Office.

You do make a very compelling point here. My only response is this. Trump is only 1 man this will be gone in 4 years and even sooner if he dies of old age. The Deep State is unelected, never changing, and completely out of control of the voters. That is why it is worse than a ego maniac that talks like a 4th grader.

Is the deep state in the room with you now?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

We will soon see if Trump has been lying during his campaign. He has assured his supporters including RFK jr. that ALL JFK records will be released to the public. After 60 fucking years we finally get know what happened. If someone is not going to be honest enough to tell me what happened after 60 years I'm not assuming they have my best interest at heart. But that is just one example why so many do not trust the government any longer. Could it also be getting us into a Viet Nam and Iraq war that we really did not need to pay for with lives and tax money? Maybe the deep state knows more than you or I do. Or maybe they are just as corrupt as the rest of us are including Biden and his son.

If nothing else happens during the next 4 years, I look forward to seeing what really happened 60 years ago.

And why do you assume there's something hidden? Just because he vows to release them all doesn't mean there's anything more out there.

The problem is people keep coming up with conspiracy theories because something wasn't documented because it was classified. Look at the "UFO" at Roswell--from the start the government knew it was simply a classified payload that had crashed into the desert and so they didn't investigate the "aliens". Total nothingburger but you don't give the other side's spies a view of even innocent puzzle pieces because that can help them figure out where the important ones are.

 

[Elixir]

You do make a very compelling point here. My only response is this. Trump is only 1 man this will be gone in 4 years and even sooner if he dies of old age. The Deep State is unelected, never changing, and completely out of control of the voters. That is why it is worse than a ego maniac that talks like a 4th grader.

So the boogie man is the reason why supporting Trump is okay.

Of course it is. Just ask Trump.

 

[Elixir]

@Tigers! I can't help noticing that when I asked

He knows he compromised himself, but that was better than watching his kid's entire life being destroyed when he was able to prevent that from happening. WWJD? What would YOU do?

your response was

Hunter broke the law(s) it seems.

I take it then, that you'd throw your offspring to the wolves and let the sadistic felonious apricot destroy his entire life for lying on a form after committing the sin of being the son of a man who beat The Felon in a landslide in 2020?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Hunter broke the law(s) it seems. There are consequences for that. Hunter is a responsible moral agent. He has put his father in a most invidous position.
Yet the President broke his public word. Why should anyone believe him after this? Granted he will be gone shortly. But the decision will live on.

The thing is the situation changed. I believe a blanket pardon was an appropriate response to The Felon's announced intent to engage in witch hunts and I would like to see a lot more of them.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Why should the 1/6ers be pardoned?

Because there is a lot of suspicion that the deep state was heavily involved with Jan 6. I posted a video earlier and Joe Rogan who explains it much better and detail than I can. You and others can dismiss Joe Rogan if you want, but there are a lot of people who agree with this sentiment right now.

Most of the rank and file of those agencies are probably honest but the people at the top are corrupt.

What in the world are you talking about? Are you trying to say that the meanie deep state people were the protesters? Some kind of false flag operation?

Yes. I'm not saying it personally, but yes that is what they are claiming. And sadly, this would not be the first time our government has been accused of a false flag just to help create trouble.

How about some evidence of said false-flag activity?? Because most of the allegations make no sense at all.

 

[Elixir]

Hunter broke the law(s) it seems. There are consequences for that. Hunter is a responsible moral agent. He has put his father in a most invidous position.
Yet the President broke his public word. Why should anyone believe him after this? Granted he will be gone shortly. But the decision will live on.

The thing is the situation changed. I believe a blanket pardon was an appropriate response to The Felon's announced intent to engage in witch hunts and I would like to see a lot more of them.

The problem is that most criminals are Republicans, and non-criminals don't need pardons
It's not like he can pardon Adam Schiff for the charges that the Republicans will trump up later next year.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

In theory, an innocent person should not be afraid of the law since they should have nothing to hide. But in practice, everyone should be afraid of law and scrutiny since we are all breaking some kind of law (there are so many of them now) if the government wants to pursue ruining someone.

But that effect worked more in Biden's favor than Trump's because he was more experienced controlling the deep state.

And you're completely missing the point.

Yes, the justice system isn't perfect. The problem is that The Felon intends to weaponize it.

Both sides weaponize it. You don't think the law has been weaponized against Trump? Then you are not paying attention to 34 felonies for the same crime. Thankfully the voters recognized this even though you haven't.

If you do the same crime 34 times should you not be convicted for 34 crimes?

No. Using your logic, the police could say you should get 10 speeding tickets because their radar gun took 10 measurements before they pulled you over.

No. The problem is that he divided his crime into 34 pieces. The law is written such that the illegal action is making the false record. It's simply not possible to charge someone with one offense covering the 34 incidents.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

As I have already mentioned, most of the rank and file who work for the government are no doubt good people. But the corruption has to be weeded out and guard rails put in place to ensure honesty in the future.

The Felon is all about putting in corruption and tossing out guard rails.