Biden Pardons Hunter

[Elixir]

You lot (and any other country for that matter) will never get of out the mud if pollies, public figures wallow in the mud and behave as bad as each other.

Even if they are both bad they are demonstrably not “as bad as each other”.

What difference does that make? Its OK because we (Democrats) do it in a nicer way? Is that what you are claiming? Cholrea vs. diptheria? Both are bad. It better to have neither.
There is no sliding scale for hypocrisy.

Sure there is.
You are asserting that a parent telling their kid not to do something they do, e.g. smoking, is the ethically and morally the same as a preacher preaching respect for all life then raping choir boys. Hey, they're both hypocrites, so - morally and ethically identical.
Fuck that. Nobody is perfect, Tigers!, not even me. But I'm not as bad as *some people* (e.g. Pol Pot, Stalin, Trump...)

 

[Harry Bosch]

You keep making proclamations but do not address the people who support Biden's decision and their reasons for doing so. Willful blindness is not a positive attribute.

You will complain to the cows come home that the Republicans cannot be trusted. They are feckless and faithless (and to console you they are behaving like that).
But that does not make it ok to excuse Biden when he breaks his public word.

He did break his word. Question for you. Would you be upset if your son was being charged for a crime that a 100,000 people per year commit (on average) with no charges. All because for political reasons. I don’t like that he broke his word. However, as a dad, I understand….

 

[Elixir]

He did break his word. Question for you. Would you be upset if your son was being charged for a crime that a 100,000 people per year commit (on average) with no charges. All because for political reasons. I don’t like that he broke his word. However, as a dad, I understand….

Tigers! has declined to answer the question WWYD twice already. Uncomfortable ground for him, I understand. But still strange for someone ostensibly arguing ethics and morality.

 

[Spacetime Inhabitant]

You keep making proclamations but do not address the people who support Biden's decision and their reasons for doing so. Willful blindness is not a positive attribute.

You will complain to the cows come home that the Republicans cannot be trusted. They are feckless and faithless (and to console you they are behaving like that).
But that does not make it ok to excuse Biden when he breaks his public word.

So a politician (or anyone for that matter) can't break a promise when new data comes in?

@Tigers! I can't help noticing that when I asked

He knows he compromised himself, but that was better than watching his kid's entire life being destroyed when he was able to prevent that from happening. WWJD? What would YOU do?

your response was

Hunter broke the law(s) it seems.

I take it then, that you'd throw your offspring to the wolves and let the sadistic felonious apricot destroy his entire life for lying on a form after committing the sin of being the son of a man who beat The Felon in a landslide in 2020?

Hunter is a (ir)responsible moral agent. He broke the law. There will always be consequences. If the law is applied unevenly that is a problem with the application, not necessarily in the law itself.
Hunter put his father in an impossible situation. He is a caring father. But he gave his son favouarble treatment. Treatment that is not available to the 99.9999999999999% of those in the same position as Hunter.
The double standard is so obvious.
You cannot claim the moral high ground (which the Democrats and their barrackers on these fora do) and then do what your opponents do.
You will be considered as bad as each other.

I do not understand why Biden and his supporters are suprised that he is called a hypocrite.
He will need to accept that that particular charge is true.

But don't complain when the republicans continue to do the same. You have just restoked the fire.

That favourable treatment wouldn't have been necessary if Hunter Biden hadn't been discriminated against in the first place. That was the true double standard, applying the law unequally against someone for political reasons, in this case that his father was POTUS of the "wrong" party.

 

[ZiprHead]

Republicans have already found a loophole claiming Biden's pardon prevents Hunter from taking the 5th if he is brought in for a future investigation. He can not be trialed for his crimes but he can be used as a witness.

Republicans plan to exploit Hunter Biden Fifth Amendment loophole

Hunter Biden, the son of President Joe Biden, was awaiting sentencing on charges related to a firearm and tax evasion.

www.newsweek.com

But I do not see how this loophole is going to do the Republicans any good. Because even if Hunter can't take the 5th, I'm wondering what would prevent Hunter from taking the "I don't remember" Hillary defense? He could just sit there all day long like she did and claim he has no memory of anything.

But what do some of you legal scholars say?

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-said-he-couldnt-remember-36-times-in-response-to-special-counsel-robert-muellers-questions-2019-04-18

 

[Elixir]

Republicans have already found a loophole claiming Biden's pardon prevents Hunter from taking the 5th if he is brought in for a future investigation. He can not be trialed for his crimes but he can be used as a witness.

Republicans plan to exploit Hunter Biden Fifth Amendment loophole

Hunter Biden, the son of President Joe Biden, was awaiting sentencing on charges related to a firearm and tax evasion.

www.newsweek.com

But I do not see how this loophole is going to do the Republicans any good. Because even if Hunter can't take the 5th, I'm wondering what would prevent Hunter from taking the "I don't remember" Hillary defense? He could just sit there all day long like she did and claim he has no memory of anything.

But what do some of you legal scholars say?

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-said-he-couldnt-remember-36-times-in-response-to-special-counsel-robert-muellers-questions-2019-04-18

Hey, he’s fucking OLD. Older than me. He can’t remember jack squat (if it incriminates him). What do you want from a senile old geezer, anyway?

 

[Elixir]

I take it then, that you'd throw your offspring to the wolves and let the sadistic felonious apricot destroy his entire life for lying on a form after committing the sin of being the son of a man who beat The Felon in a landslide in 2020?

Your non-sequitur response, @Tigers! can only be taken as a “yes”:

Hunter is a (ir)responsible moral agent.

I’m posting it again to give you a chance to clarify or change your answer. What would you do?

 

[laughing dog]

There is no sliding scale for hypocrisy.

Since when?

 

[Tigers!]

There is no sliding scale for hypocrisy.

Since when?

You may possess a sliding hypocrisy scale. Can I buy one?

 

[ZiprHead]

You keep making proclamations but do not address the people who support Biden's decision and their reasons for doing so. Willful blindness is not a positive attribute.

You will complain to the cows come home that the Republicans cannot be trusted. They are feckless and faithless (and to console you they are behaving like that).
But that does not make it ok to excuse Biden when he breaks his public word.

Spare me the holier than thou BS. This was a witch hunt, plain and simple. Dirty politics from the get go. That the Republicans brought this onto a family member when they couldn't find anything on Joe himself is dispicable. Fuck them and fuck anyone who thinks Biden is bad for not keeping his word and should have just gone along with this disgusting bullshit.

You have still not addressed any of the reasons many people do not have a problem with this. Just more bullshit proclamations.

And show me any politician who has never lied or changed their mind.

 

[ZiprHead]

Hunter is a (ir)responsible moral agent. He broke the law. There will always be consequences. If the law is applied unevenly that is a problem with the application, not necessarily in the law itself.

OH NOOEEESSSSS!!! Hunter broke the law!!!



I bet you've broken a law a time or two. Did you report immediately to the police in your jurisdiction and demand to be prosecuted.

"No" you say?

Hunter put his father in an impossible situation. He is a caring father. But he gave his son favouarble treatment. Treatment that is not available to the 99.9999999999999% of those in the same position as Hunter.

There is no one in the same position as Hunter. That's a big part of the point people are trying to tell you.

 

[Elixir]

You have still not addressed any of the reasons many people do not have a problem with this. Just more bullshit proclamations.

Yes, the apparent inability to respond to the question "what would YOU do?" is telling, one way or another.
I don't like thinking the worst of people, so I am telling myself that Tigers! may have had to make a choice of similar difficulty to what Joe faced, and fared no better. I don't want to think he's prevaricating in order to continue stand on such ... dubious ground, but he's making it hard.
I have to resist thinking that the question is forcing his true colors to show.

 

[laughing dog]

There is no sliding scale for hypocrisy.

Since when?

You may possess a sliding hypocrisy scale. Can I buy one?

You can have one for $ 2,000 American and I’ll throw in the Brooklyn Bridge.

 

[Elixir]

There is no sliding scale for hypocrisy.

Since when?

You may possess a sliding hypocrisy scale. Can I buy one?

You can have one for $ 2,000 American and I’ll throw in the Brooklyn Bridge.

He already HAS one. It lets him pretend nobody asked him what HE would do.

 

[Tigers!]

He did break his word. Question for you. Would you be upset if your son was being charged for a crime that a 100,000 people per year commit (on average) with no charges. All because for political reasons. I don’t like that he broke his word. However, as a dad, I understand….

Tigers! has declined to answer the question WWYD twice already. Uncomfortable ground for him, I understand. But still strange for someone ostensibly arguing ethics and morality.

I have answered it twice already but some it seems have decided that my answer is X without bothering to read what I have actually written
I will try to set out my answer in simple steps so that all my be made aware

1. Hunter Biden is a dickhead
2. Hunter Biden broke the law
3. There is obviously a most uneven application of these laws. That is not a problem with the law itself but rather the application of the law
4. Joe Biden cares about his son
5. Joe Biden has been put in a most invidious position by his son. See pt. 1.
6. Joe Biden is the president.
7. The president's job (or 1 at least) is to uphold the law
8. Despite pts. 4-5 it is not right for Biden to pardon his son.
9. Hunter Biden got favourable treatment that 99.999999999% of the USA population would not get.
10. Biden has behaved hypoctically

I most truly sorry that my answers has not passed the Elixir "Answer acceptability criteria*" but that is YP.

I have a precious daughter. Is she were guilty of drug taking, buying guns illegally etc. then there will be consequences fro her action upon her. As her father I would do all I could to help here but I cannot pardon her nor pretend she did not break the law.

* trademark pending

 

[Tigers!]

You keep making proclamations but do not address the people who support Biden's decision and their reasons for doing so. Willful blindness is not a positive attribute.

You will complain to the cows come home that the Republicans cannot be trusted. They are feckless and faithless (and to console you they are behaving like that).
But that does not make it ok to excuse Biden when he breaks his public word.

So a politician (or anyone for that matter) can't break a promise when new data comes in?

@Tigers! I can't help noticing that when I asked

He knows he compromised himself, but that was better than watching his kid's entire life being destroyed when he was able to prevent that from happening. WWJD? What would YOU do?

your response was

Hunter broke the law(s) it seems.

I take it then, that you'd throw your offspring to the wolves and let the sadistic felonious apricot destroy his entire life for lying on a form after committing the sin of being the son of a man who beat The Felon in a landslide in 2020?

Hunter is a (ir)responsible moral agent. He broke the law. There will always be consequences. If the law is applied unevenly that is a problem with the application, not necessarily in the law itself.
Hunter put his father in an impossible situation. He is a caring father. But he gave his son favouarble treatment. Treatment that is not available to the 99.9999999999999% of those in the same position as Hunter.
The double standard is so obvious.
You cannot claim the moral high ground (which the Democrats and their barrackers on these fora do) and then do what your opponents do.
You will be considered as bad as each other.

I do not understand why Biden and his supporters are suprised that he is called a hypocrite.
He will need to accept that that particular charge is true.

But don't complain when the republicans continue to do the same. You have just restoked the fire.

That favourable treatment wouldn't have been necessary if Hunter Biden hadn't been discriminated against in the first place. That was the true double standard, applying the law unequally against someone for political reasons, in this case that his father was POTUS of the "wrong" party.

There are two (2) separate issues here
a. the law itself
b. the uneven application of the law.

Hunter broke the law. His father has been dragged into it.
The uneven aplication of the law does not give the president carte blache to apply the pardon to suit his family.

Though I suppose that Biden could claim he was acting an offical capability in light of that recent Supreme Court ruling.

 

[Tigers!]

There is no sliding scale for hypocrisy.

Since when?

You may possess a sliding hypocrisy scale. Can I buy one?

You can have one for $ 2,000 American and I’ll throw in the Brooklyn Bridge.

I with stick the Harbour Bridge. But thank you for your prompt response.

 

[Tigers!]

There is no one in the same position as Hunter.

Agreed. Their father is not the President.

That's a big part of the point people are trying to tell you.

Yes. They are trying to justify turning a blind eye to the breaking of the law. By thE president no less.

It will be hard to complain when Trump pardons some one as he will reply "Hunter". One pardon is as good as another.

 

[laughing dog]

There is no one in the same position as Hunter.

Agreed. Their father is not the President.

That's a big part of the point people are trying to tell you.

Yes. They are trying to justify turning a blind eye to the breaking of the law. By thE president no less.

It will be hard to complain when Trump pardons some one as he will reply "Hunter". One pardon is as good as another.

It's cute you think Mr. Trump needs any excuse. Or did you just wake up from a 8 year coma?

 

[ZiprHead]

There is no one in the same position as Hunter.

Agreed. Their father is not the President.

That's a big part of the point people are trying to tell you.

Yes. They are trying to justify turning a blind eye to the breaking of the law. By thE president no less.

It will be hard to complain when Trump pardons some one as he will reply "Hunter". One pardon is as good as another.

Pardons are part of the law, Perry Mason.