Biden Pardons Hunter

[Elixir]

Pardons do NOT apply to future crimes.

Like so much of the excellent points you raise, this one is a “was”.
When Trump pardons himself, do you think he’s going to get up every morning thereafter and pardon himself again? Like a President has time for all that BS? No, it’s like the immunity thing - he will pardon himself for once and for all, and never have to re-visit the question. That way he can get right back to the business of stuffing his donors’ pockets.
Of course, it’s a free Country and if anyone wants to contest his ability to pardon himself, they’re free to spend the tens of millions it will require to take SCOTUS justices on better vacations than Trump’s donors can.

 

[Spacetime Inhabitant]

I'm afraid I missed this thread altogether; an earlier response might have prevented the HUGE amount of ignorance and misinformation on display here. Will I need to justify my absence with a note from a doctor?

Just to point out two of the most obvious blunders:
* Pardons do NOT apply to future crimes. If Biden pardons me today, I am pardoned of the crime I committed yesterday, but NOT the crime I may commit tomorrow.
* Pardons can NOT be revoked. Pardons are among the Presidential powers -- another is launching of nuclear-tipped ICBMs -- which are irreversible.

Other limitations on pardons include
* POTUS cannot pardon for state crimes
* POTUS cannot pardon for federal civil offences. (Has SCROTUS ruled on this?)
* A Pardon does not prevent a vindictive federal government from forcing its victim to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal cost.
* A Pardon does not prevent a vindictive federal government from directing IRS audits etc. against its "enemies."

Of course this barely scratches the surface of the blunders on display in this thread, beginning with the thread's very first sentence:

Biden sounds exactly like Trump.

... And I suppose jasmine flowers smell exactly like dog poop.

In a comment on a you tube video about this (might have been on a Legal Eagle video), someone mentions the pardon covers 2014-2024, so not the future.

 

[Elixir]

Today we examine common delusions entertained by would-be political pundits who know nothing about US government.

1. Hunter Biden is a dickhead

Not germane to any legal matter.

2. Hunter Biden broke the law

Virtually every American over the age of three has broken some law or other.

3. There is obviously a most uneven application of these laws. That is not a problem with the law itself but rather the application of the law

You have no basis upon which to proclaim our laws to be problem-free.

4. Joe Biden cares about his son

Not germane to this issue.

5. Joe Biden has been put in a most invidious position by his son. See pt. 1.

An irrelevant subjective assessment -a personal opinion and irrelevant

6. Joe Biden is the president.

Duh. Water is wet.

7. The president's job (or 1 at least) is to uphold the law

Nope. The president’s job as defined by the Constitution is to set foreign policy and serve as the military’s Commander in Chief. The senior law enforcement officer of the land is the AG, not the President.

It’s not what you don't know, Tigers! It’s what you know that just ain’t so.
There seems to be an awful lot of that.

8. Despite pts. 4-5 it is not right for Biden to pardon his son.

For the third time, your misinformed religious opinions are irrelevant. Perhaps you could start a thread outlining what pardons are right and wrong, and which criminals it is "right" to pardon. Please put it in the appropriate main category.

9. Hunter Biden got unfavorable treatment that 99.999999999% of the USA population would not get

FIFY. NOBODY has ever been pilloried in the press and jacked around like Hunter has been, or been used as a political football by a corrupt President’s appointed attack dog.

10. Biden has behaved hypoctically

You have behaved hypocritically in this thread, QED.
Even if your specious accusation was true, behaving in a manner that fails to meet your approval is not illegal in America, nor is it necessarily unethical or immoral. This is true even if someone acts as if deprived of oxygen (hypoctically).

There we have it -a full wall of poorly disguised religious bullshit masquerading as political savvy.
Good job, @Tigers!

 

[ZiprHead]

I've thought of Tigers as a Trump supporter for a very long time. He never applies his moral standards to Trump.

7. The president's job (or 1 at least) is to uphold the law

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Republicans have already found a loophole claiming Biden's pardon prevents Hunter from taking the 5th if he is brought in for a future investigation. He can not be trialed for his crimes but he can be used as a witness.

Republicans plan to exploit Hunter Biden Fifth Amendment loophole

Hunter Biden, the son of President Joe Biden, was awaiting sentencing on charges related to a firearm and tax evasion.

www.newsweek.com

But I do not see how this loophole is going to do the Republicans any good. Because even if Hunter can't take the 5th, I'm wondering what would prevent Hunter from taking the "I don't remember" Hillary defense? He could just sit there all day long like she did and claim he has no memory of anything.

But what do some of you legal scholars say?

How is this a loophole? The pardon was issued to avoid a witch hunt. There's nothing to compel him to testify about. The laptop bit is the computer equivalent of a photoshop--at some point they cloned his drive, then they added stuff to it. Doesn't matter how much of it you verify, that says nothing about whether any other bit is true. (And there's no doubt about this--there was "activity" when he had no access to the laptop.)

 

[Loren Pechtel]

He did break his word. Question for you. Would you be upset if your son was being charged for a crime that a 100,000 people per year commit (on average) with no charges. All because for political reasons. I don’t like that he broke his word. However, as a dad, I understand….

Tigers! has declined to answer the question WWYD twice already. Uncomfortable ground for him, I understand. But still strange for someone ostensibly arguing ethics and morality.

I have answered it twice already but some it seems have decided that my answer is X without bothering to read what I have actually written
I will try to set out my answer in simple steps so that all my be made aware

1. Hunter Biden is a dickhead
2. Hunter Biden broke the law
3. There is obviously a most uneven application of these laws. That is not a problem with the law itself but rather the application of the law
4. Joe Biden cares about his son
5. Joe Biden has been put in a most invidious position by his son. See pt. 1.
6. Joe Biden is the president.
7. The president's job (or 1 at least) is to uphold the law
8. Despite pts. 4-5 it is not right for Biden to pardon his son.
9. Hunter Biden got favourable treatment that 99.999999999% of the USA population would not get.
10. Biden has behaved hypoctically

I most truly sorry that my answers has not passed the Elixir "Answer acceptability criteria*" but that is YP.

I have a precious daughter. Is she were guilty of drug taking, buying guns illegally etc. then there will be consequences fro her action upon her. As her father I would do all I could to help here but I cannot pardon her nor pretend she did not break the law.

* trademark pending

You are assuming that this is the path. I think this is a response to The Felon's announced intention of witch hunting.

 

[Elixir]

The uneven aplication of the law does not give the president carte blache to apply the pardon to suit his family.

Why not?
I’ll wait.

 

[ZiprHead]

I don't remember Tigers! ever talk about Trump in this manner. Anyone else notice that?

 

[laughing dog]

The uneven aplication of the law does not give the president carte blache to apply the pardon to suit his family.

Whether you or I like it or not, the US Constitution as written does give the POTUS carte blanche on pardons.

The problem with much of US Constitution is that it was written by people who had a much different view of appropriate public behavior than we have now.

 

[Elixir]

I don't remember Tigers! ever talk about Trump in this manner. Anyone else notice that?

Tigers! doesn’t stoop to criticizing ACTUAL Presidents like Trump, just FAKE ones that STEAL elections from him, like Biden.
Sig Heil!

Thing that bugs me:
Ask anyone who knows Joe Biden personally for decades, and they love him. They’ll tell you he’s a good guy who cares about others.
Ask anyone who has known Trump personally for decades and they’ll tell you what a stupid, self-centered, dishonest narcissist he is.
But that is lost on his idiot followers. They think they know him better that anyone who ACTUALLY knows him.

 

[Tigers!]

I don't remember Tigers! ever talk about Trump in this manner. Anyone else notice that?

In what manner have I never talked about Trump? This thread has meanderd a bit. I have lost track of which way I should be talking about Trump.

But to say it publically again
Trump is unfit to be president
It was huge mistake to re-elect him as president

(But don't worry Zipr I know you won't read this post. )

 

[ZiprHead]

I don't remember Tigers! ever talk about Trump in this manner. Anyone else notice that?

In what manner have I never talked about Trump? This thread has meanderd a bit. I have lost track of which way I should be talking about Trump.

But to say it publically again
Trump is unfit to be president
It was huge mistake to re-elect him as president

(But don't worry Zipr I know you won't read this post. )

Why wouldn't I read it? It's like watching a train wreck. You can't take your eyes away.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

I listen to several different political podcasts (I sometimes have to travel a lot for work) and one of the things that bothers me about this is the liberal pearl clutching about Joe Biden's hypocrisy. These folks are also saying what a bad look it is e.g. nepotism of a sort.

Trump's getting ready to pardon January 6 criminals and other nefarious individuals and nepotism is a well trod path for Trump. One wrong thing doesn't necessarily justify another act of the same sort...

Bah, fuck it. It doesn't matter.

 

[Politesse]

Wouldn't say I was pearl clutching, but it does speak to his character, and the defensiveness of his fans irritates me almost as much as ethical consistency annoys you.

Bottom line, you have no right to complain about corruption under Trump if you cheered for it under Biden; politicians run with different aesthetics, but at their core they are not that different from each other. If the public changes their mind about what they'll accept every four years, it sends a very clear message to the aristocratic class: commit any crime you like. As as you are rich and your victims are not, it will only take a maximum of four years to make the consequences disappear. If for some reason that doesn't work just pull a Musk, switch parties and wait another four years. At the moment, if an American politician or CEO is planning to commit a crime that will have thousands of victims, he is far more afraid of some trust fund kid with a funny name and a ghost gun than he is of any police officer or judge. What does that tell you about our legal system?

But the craziest thing is that the public actually wants this corrupt system and votes for it over and over again as long as its "their guy" doing it. Where "their guy" is some asshole East Coast investor who has never heard of them and wouldn't give shit if they did.

 

[Elixir]

Bottom line, you have no right to complain about corruption under Trump if you cheered for it under Biden

Don’t complain about that guy who shot your mom; we saw you jaywalking the other day!

 

[Politesse]

Bottom line, you have no right to complain about corruption under Trump if you cheered for it under Biden

Don’t complain about that guy who shot your mom; we saw you jaywalking the other day!

Last I heard, Barron hasn't shot anyone. Securities fraud or a dubious consent dorm encounter are far more likely for a first crime.

 

[Shadowy Man]

Bottom line, you have no right to complain about corruption under Trump if you cheered for it under Biden

Don’t complain about that guy who shot your mom; we saw you jaywalking the other day!

It is interesting that the right wingers seem to understand the difference in degree between two bad things over in the Gaza thread but here Biden’s so-called corruption is equally bad to Trump’s.

 

[Elixir]

Bottom line, you have no right to complain about corruption under Trump if you cheered for it under Biden

Don’t complain about that guy who shot your mom; we saw you jaywalking the other day!

Last I heard, Barron hasn't shot anyone. Securities fraud is far more likely.

You didn’t get that it was about proportion?
No, I don’t believe you.

 

[Politesse]

Bottom line, you have no right to complain about corruption under Trump if you cheered for it under Biden

Don’t complain about that guy who shot your mom; we saw you jaywalking the other day!

Last I heard, Barron hasn't shot anyone. Securities fraud is far more likely.

You didn’t get that it was about proportion?
No, I don’t believe you.

I do get your argument, I just think it's a bullshit argument. Again, Barron isn't going to shoot someone, that's a poor kid crime. He's going to commit a rich kid crime. Like Biden did. And then he'll be pardoned, if it even gets that far.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Wouldn't say I was pearl clutching, but it does speak to his character, and the defensiveness of his fans irritates me almost as much as ethical consistency annoys you.

Bottom line, you have no right to complain about corruption under Trump if you cheered for it under Biden; politicians run with different aesthetics, but at their core they are not that different from each other.

Corruption? This is a false-equivalence.

Emoluments violations, stolen documents, obstruction of the Justice Department and FBI, trying to buy off a foreign political promise using US Government spending. tried to steal an election, how many billions ot Kuschner?, selling Visas to the Chinese?

v

A broad pardon for the Preisdent's son who has already been the victim of an over-zealous GOP in the US House. Had Harris won, I'd be against any pardon. Had Biden won, I'd be against any pardon. Had Trump won, I'd understand a broad pardon, but would hope that sentencing could have been completed prior to Trump's term in office, so that it couldn't be messed with.

To say one can't complain about Trump's corruption because President Biden isn't a virgin is ridiculous.