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Biden Pardons Hunter

You lot (and any other country for that matter) will never get of out the mud if pollies, public figures wallow in the mud and behave as bad as each other.
Even if they are both bad they are demonstrably not “as bad as each other”.
What difference does that make? Its OK because we (Democrats) do it in a nicer way? Is that what you are claiming? Cholrea vs. diptheria? Both are bad. It better to have neither.
There is no sliding scale for hypocrisy.
Is it hypocrisy if Trump is threatening to seek revenge on all of his enemies and Joe wants to ensure his son is not persecuted fir the crime of being his son? There have already been statements that they intend to further investigate Hunter Biden.
 
You lot (and any other country for that matter) will never get of out the mud if pollies, public figures wallow in the mud and behave as bad as each other.
Even if they are both bad they are demonstrably not “as bad as each other”.
What difference does that make? Its OK because we (Democrats) do it in a nicer way? Is that what you are claiming? Cholrea vs. diptheria? Both are bad. It better to have neither.
There is no sliding scale for hypocrisy.
Is it hypocrisy if Trump is threatening to seek revenge on all of his enemies and Joe wants to ensure his son is not persecuted fir the crime of being his son? There have already been statements that they intend to further investigate Hunter Biden.
In Trump’s brave new world only the guilty will fear investigation. The rest of us should have no problem with being investigated, right?
 

I have a precious daughter. Is she were guilty of drug taking, buying guns illegally etc. then there will be consequences fro her action upon her. As her father I would do all I could to help here but I cannot pardon her nor pretend she did not break the law.
Given that your daughter committed an offense that would routinely result in a fine, and a sworn enemy of YOU, her father who was both willing, able and of manifest intent to ruin your life by destroying hers, having already done so to large extent, and having already cost hundreds of times more money and embarrassment than such crime normally would result in,
WOULD YOU DO ALL YOU COULD TO HELP HER?
YES or NO, @Tigers! ?

I realize it puts you in a difficult position of having to deny the parameters I described, but if that is your only out, then I guess I can put down your “he broke the law” mantra as a response from ignorance, since those ARE the conditions that prevail, aggravated by the fact that the Chief Inquisitor is a sadistic psycho…
Better than the alternative of admitting that your criticism of Sleepy Joe is hypocritical, anyhow?
 

I have a precious daughter. Is she were guilty of drug taking, buying guns illegally etc. then there will be consequences fro her action upon her. As her father I would do all I could to help here but I cannot pardon her nor pretend she did not break the law.
Given that your daughter committed an offense that would routinely result in a fine, and a sworn enemy of YOU, her father who was both willing, able and of manifest intent to ruin your life by destroying hers, having already done so to large extent, and having already cost hundreds of times more money and embarrassment than such crime normally would result in,
WOULD YOU DO ALL YOU COULD TO HELP HER?
YES or NO, @Tigers! ?
I already said I will do all I could to help her. You really do need to actually read what people post instead of repeating yourself.
I realise you will only accept certain answers. If my answers are not to your liking then someone else on these fora will be happy to oblige you.
 

There is no one in the same position as Hunter.
Agreed. Their father is not the President.
That's a big part of the point people are trying to tell you.
Yes. They are trying to justify turning a blind eye to the breaking of the law. By thE president no less.

It will be hard to complain when Trump pardons some one as he will reply "Hunter". One pardon is as good as another.
Trump already pardoned his Son-in-Law's father. So, this whole well, tit-for-tat is egregiously out of touch with the facts on several levels.
 
I already said I will do all I could to help her.
So that’s a “yes”.
Then why are you pretending that it is some kind of moral failure on Joe Biden’s part for doing that?
THAT would be hypocritical, right?
They are trying to justify turning a blind eye to the breaking of the law. By thE president
What President broke what law, Tigers!?

I apologize in advance because I’m sure it seems like I’m on your case. Really I’m only trying to salvage my opinion of you and your commentary. I am also interested in the degree of your incomprehension. A president, since SCOTUS chose to protect him from prosecution for… anything he does, would have to try really really hard to do anything criminal. According to Trump’s own lawyers, Sleepy Joe could LEGALLY order Seal Team Six to round up and kill the entire Trump junta, so I am straining to reconcile that with your apparently fabricated accusation.
 
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There is no one in the same position as Hunter.
Agreed. Their father is not the President.
That's a big part of the point people are trying to tell you.
Yes. They are trying to justify turning a blind eye to the breaking of the law. By thE president no less.

It will be hard to complain when Trump pardons some one as he will reply "Hunter". One pardon is as good as another.
Despite the dishonest selective quotation you did and the ignoring of difficult questions to you, I have to wonder what planet you live on.

Basically you are saying "Oh, no! Trump might pardon someone now!" Do you realize how ignorant you sound when you say such stupid things?

Trump has pardoned numerous fellow felons that helped him try to steal the 2020 election. He pardoned a murderous war criminal. You act as if these thing never happened.
 
Trump has pardoned numerous fellow felons that helped him try to steal the 2020 election.
I think you misspelled “almost everyone he knows”.
At least Tigers! has admitted that he would indulge in the same behavior he has decried (pardoning Hunter) if he was in JB’s shoes. Why that doesn’t qualify as hypocrisy in his lexicon is still a mystery.
It’s possible that our conservative friend from down under is just badly misinformed, under-informed or disinformed about matters of US politics, and chooses to preach about it nonetheless. That’s the kindest interpretation I can muster, sorry.
 

I have a precious daughter. Is she were guilty of drug taking, buying guns illegally etc. then there will be consequences fro her action upon her. As her father I would do all I could to help here but I cannot pardon her nor pretend she did not break the law.
Given that your daughter committed an offense that would routinely result in a fine, and a sworn enemy of YOU, her father who was both willing, able and of manifest intent to ruin your life by destroying hers, having already done so to large extent, and having already cost hundreds of times more money and embarrassment than such crime normally would result in,
WOULD YOU DO ALL YOU COULD TO HELP HER?
YES or NO, @Tigers! ?
I already said I will do all I could to help her.
So, if you could pardon her, you would. Okay.

Now, suppose you had said you wouldn't pardon her but the situation changed and you felt that she would be in more danger unless she was pardoned. Would you pardon her in the scenario?


 

I have a precious daughter. Is she were guilty of drug taking, buying guns illegally etc. then there will be consequences fro her action upon her. As her father I would do all I could to help here but I cannot pardon her nor pretend she did not break the law.
Given that your daughter committed an offense that would routinely result in a fine, and a sworn enemy of YOU, her father who was both willing, able and of manifest intent to ruin your life by destroying hers, having already done so to large extent, and having already cost hundreds of times more money and embarrassment than such crime normally would result in,
WOULD YOU DO ALL YOU COULD TO HELP HER?
YES or NO, @Tigers! ?
I already said I will do all I could to help her.
So, if you could pardon her, you would. Okay.

Now, suppose you had said you wouldn't pardon her but the situation changed and you felt that she would be in more danger unless she was pardoned. Would you pardon her in the scenario?


He already said “anything I could”.
The outstanding question, is why then, does Tigers! decry Joe for doing zackly what he would do?
 

I have a precious daughter. Is she were guilty of drug taking, buying guns illegally etc. then there will be consequences fro her action upon her. As her father I would do all I could to help here but I cannot pardon her nor pretend she did not break the law.
Given that your daughter committed an offense that would routinely result in a fine, and a sworn enemy of YOU, her father who was both willing, able and of manifest intent to ruin your life by destroying hers, having already done so to large extent, and having already cost hundreds of times more money and embarrassment than such crime normally would result in,
WOULD YOU DO ALL YOU COULD TO HELP HER?
YES or NO, @Tigers! ?
I already said I will do all I could to help her.
So, if you could pardon her, you would. Okay.

Now, suppose you had said you wouldn't pardon her but the situation changed and you felt that she would be in more danger unless she was pardoned. Would you pardon her in the scenario?


He already said “anything I could”.
The outstanding question, is why then, does Tigers! decry Joe for doing zackly what he would do?
Doing anything I could does not automatically equate to giving a pardon.
 

I have a precious daughter. Is she were guilty of drug taking, buying guns illegally etc. then there will be consequences fro her action upon her. As her father I would do all I could to help here but I cannot pardon her nor pretend she did not break the law.
Given that your daughter committed an offense that would routinely result in a fine, and a sworn enemy of YOU, her father who was both willing, able and of manifest intent to ruin your life by destroying hers, having already done so to large extent, and having already cost hundreds of times more money and embarrassment than such crime normally would result in,
WOULD YOU DO ALL YOU COULD TO HELP HER?
YES or NO, @Tigers! ?
I already said I will do all I could to help her.
So, if you could pardon her, you would. Okay.

Now, suppose you had said you wouldn't pardon her but the situation changed and you felt that she would be in more danger unless she was pardoned. Would you pardon her in the scenario?


He already said “anything I could”.
The outstanding question, is why then, does Tigers! decry Joe for doing zackly what he would do?
Doing anything I could does not automatically equate to giving a pardon.
If you have the capability of granting pardons, it most certainly does.
 
Doing anything I could does not automatically equate to giving a pardon.
You could do that if you were potus. It would help her. So you seem to be saying you’d do anything you could to help her - unless you didn’t want to because you told someone else you weren’t going to.
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“Thanks, Dad!”
 
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I have a precious daughter. Is she were guilty of drug taking, buying guns illegally etc. then there will be consequences fro her action upon her. As her father I would do all I could to help here but I cannot pardon her nor pretend she did not break the law.
Given that your daughter committed an offense that would routinely result in a fine, and a sworn enemy of YOU, her father who was both willing, able and of manifest intent to ruin your life by destroying hers, having already done so to large extent, and having already cost hundreds of times more money and embarrassment than such crime normally would result in,
WOULD YOU DO ALL YOU COULD TO HELP HER?
YES or NO, @Tigers! ?
I already said I will do all I could to help her.
So, if you could pardon her, you would. Okay.

Now, suppose you had said you wouldn't pardon her but the situation changed and you felt that she would be in more danger unless she was pardoned. Would you pardon her in the scenario?


He already said “anything I could”.
The outstanding question, is why then, does Tigers! decry Joe for doing zackly what he would do?
Doing anything I could does not automatically equate to giving a pardon.
Ok, let me add one thing, that might clarify why so many of us are happy that Biden pardoned Hunter. You have said that over 99% of people who committed the same crime would not be pardoned. That is true, but based on my extensive reading in various sources of news over the past year or so, 99% of people who committed the same crime would likely get a slap on the wrist, metaphorically speaking. Almost no-one would get jail time for what Hunter did. Hunter never used the gun that he owned for 11 days and he paid the taxes he owed. Plus he suffered from severe addiction. Addiction is a disease in and of itself. Hunter admitted he was guilty and apologized for his crime. A plea deal was about to be worked out last year, but at the last minute, it was stopped by the judge. Gee, did the MAGAs in power have anything to do with that! Finally, Hunter was being threatened with the possibility of a 17 year prison sentence for his crimes, while as I said earlier, the vast majority of people would get off without any prison time. In fact, I'm not sure if anyone ever got an actual prison sentence for the exact same crime that Hunter committed. So, Joe didn't lie. He considered what would happen to Hunter due to the cruelty of the MAGAs in charge and decided that the morally correct thing to do was to pardon Hunter. If Hunter had been treated like the 99% of others who committed the crime, Joe wouldn't have needed to pardon him.

I would like to see him give lots of pardons to people who have been imprisoned for using any type of illegal drug, not just THC, because I think it's cruel to lock someone up for using a potentially harmful substance. Fuck! JFK jr. bragged about using heroin in college, but never was arrested for that.

I hope Biden pardons all of the women who have been serving long jail sentences for killing physically abusive partners. Some have already served 30 or 40 years! That's cruel and unusual punishment imo. Pardon them now! Regardless if we like it or not, the president has the power to pardon convicted criminals. They have all done it. Carter pardoned his brother, and while I don't remember the others, there have been at least one or two more, besides Trump pardoning his daughter's father in law, who have pardoned family members.

Our constitution is far from perfect, but the president has been given the power to pardon criminals, like it or not.
 

I have a precious daughter. Is she were guilty of drug taking, buying guns illegally etc. then there will be consequences fro her action upon her. As her father I would do all I could to help here but I cannot pardon her nor pretend she did not break the law.
Given that your daughter committed an offense that would routinely result in a fine, and a sworn enemy of YOU, her father who was both willing, able and of manifest intent to ruin your life by destroying hers, having already done so to large extent, and having already cost hundreds of times more money and embarrassment than such crime normally would result in,
WOULD YOU DO ALL YOU COULD TO HELP HER?
YES or NO, @Tigers! ?
I already said I will do all I could to help her.
So, if you could pardon her, you would. Okay.

Now, suppose you had said you wouldn't pardon her but the situation changed and you felt that she would be in more danger unless she was pardoned. Would you pardon her in the scenario?


He already said “anything I could”.
The outstanding question, is why then, does Tigers! decry Joe for doing zackly what he would do?
Doing anything I could does not automatically equate to giving a pardon.
Actually, yes, it does.
 
I'm afraid I missed this thread altogether; an earlier response might have prevented the HUGE amount of ignorance and misinformation on display here. Will I need to justify my absence with a note from a doctor?

Just to point out two of the most obvious blunders:
* Pardons do NOT apply to future crimes. If Biden pardons me today, I am pardoned of the crime I committed yesterday, but NOT the crime I may commit tomorrow.
* Pardons can NOT be revoked. Pardons are among the Presidential powers -- another is launching of nuclear-tipped ICBMs -- which are irreversible.

Other limitations on pardons include
* POTUS cannot pardon for state crimes
* POTUS cannot pardon for federal civil offences. (Has SCROTUS ruled on this?)
* A Pardon does not prevent a vindictive federal government from forcing its victim to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal cost.
* A Pardon does not prevent a vindictive federal government from directing IRS audits etc. against its "enemies."

Of course this barely scratches the surface of the blunders on display in this thread, beginning with the thread's very first sentence:

Biden sounds exactly like Trump.
... And I suppose jasmine flowers smell exactly like dog poop.
 
9. Hunter Biden got unfavorable treatment that 99.999999999% of the USA population would not get.
FTFY

When you can demonstrate anyone being prosecuted for these crimes under the same circumstances then you may then have a point. Until then, all you've got is a popcorn fart.
 
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